2024 Draft Class: OL

There isn't any single way to build a great team. Some like to build around a QB. Some like strong defense first.

Personally I've always liked building a strong D line and O line before spending money on a QB and WRs. I say that because it makes it easier for a young QB if he has good protection and a defense that can keep games close. It's not the only way but it seems to me that teams that can control the line of scrimmage always have a chance. Onthe other hand. teams with great QBs and terrible lines rarely win much.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
There isn't any single way to build a great team. Some like to build around a QB. Some like strong defense first.

Personally I've always liked building a strong D line and O line before spending money on a QB and WRs. I say that because it makes it easier for a young QB if he has good protection and a defense that can keep games close. It's not the only way but it seems to me that teams that can control the line of scrimmage always have a chance. Onthe other hand. teams with great QBs and terrible lines rarely win much.

I'm with you. And WHEN you add a FQB, it's even more important. Let's see if the FO is true to their words now.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
LMAO. I actually heard indirectly via a pod about his philosophy on the OL and all of his references (fist). Love it. First thing he does is kick the WR's (position value) out the door and retains the DL. He's a big trench guy. No doubt he'll stock up in the draft too. He gets it.

Gets how to lose to inferior teams in the SB because he doesn't value a functioning passing attack.

Yea I'm confused. The NC argument is always how the chiefs beat us in the Superbowl because of their OL (though first it was all about having tier 1 tackles with adequate guards and now it's all about tier 1 guards with adequate tackles). How many superbowls has Jim Harbaugh won?

Huh? Tier 1 OL's are built differently. You think every tier 1 DL is built the same? I noted the Chiefs as an example of doing it against the common T-C-T model. Perhaps you're not comprehending well. Also, the Chiefs didn't have a tier 1 OL. They had a tier 1 interior but overall, were a high tier 2.

As to Harbaugh, he's spot on. The OL is the only unit where every other position is dependent on how they play together. He went on to talk about how the OL works like a fist...5 fingers working together to punch people in the mouth. Love it. He's not wrong.

It sounds like, even after 2 Superbowl losses, there are still fans who aren't getting it.

In 2019, after you blamed the superbowl loss on the OL, the chiefs were THE blue print, with their 2 tackles who had elite seasons and mediocre interior. The niners NEEDED to start taking the OL more serious like the chiefs if they were to ever win a superbowl, never mind that the chiefs had a rag tag group of guys in the superbowl thanks to injuries and that they won the game despite our DL out pressuring and out sacking theirs.

In 2023, after you blamed the superbowl loss on the OL, the chiefs were THE blue print, with their interior OL who had elite seasons and mediocre tackles. The niners NEED to start taking the OL more seriously like the chiefs if they are ever to win a superbowl, never mind that they won the game despite our DL out pressuring and out sacking theirs.

You are so adamant that our superbowl failures are based on not following the chiefs blueprint, when they don't even have one. Absolutely we should be looking to upgrade the OL (just like every other position), but i refuse to blame our losses on the fact that the #1 or #2 interior DL in the NFL and an all time great made great plays, and I refuse to believe that he won't make plays no matter who lines up across from him.

That said, I do think there needs to be a slight philosophical change where this team needs to better prioritize pass blocking. This offense needs high level run blockers, but ultimately, OL are paid to pass protect.

Wrongo.

2019 Chiefs HAD a tier 1 OL. We had a tier 1 DL. I'd say our DL was > over their OL through 3Q. But like we just saw in 2023, in the 4Q (and O.T.), when it mattered most, their OL produced 1 total pressure and were able to run/pass comfortably (no, PM was NOT scrambling around making backyard plays). On the flip side, our OL s**t the bed in every way possible (penalties, hits, sacks, 50% pressure rate, protection calls, ad libs, etc.).

And no, it wasn't just Chris Jones killing drives and opportunities either. When you're giving up a 50%+ pressure rate in both games IN a quick-pass offense, the entire unit is getting worked.

Like I always said, you can do a lot as a "unit" but eventually, your talent is going to have to stand on its own when it matters. And that's where ours failed, badly x3.

I don't know how much more evidence a fan could get that it wasn't good enough. Honestly, it's embarrassing there is still a very small minority who still can't see the correlation. Had we had even moderate play at a unit that effects everything else, we might have 2 more chips right now with the last one being a Bucs vs.Chiefs-like blowout.

Again, as to the Chiefs OL, they are NOT the gold standard. They were high tier 2 last year. I used them as an example of how one can build an OL differently from the traditional T-C-T combo. Andy built a tier 1 interior + adequate T's and countered with a quick-pass offense (shortest air yards in his career).

But if they add a top T in this draft to their current interior, you can bet your ass they'll end up right back in tier 1 overall. And that's scary for the league.

Let's move this team building discussion to the OL thread. Let's not derail a great thread anymore.

Or just PM me and we can talk.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
There isn't any single way to build a great team. Some like to build around a QB. Some like strong defense first.

Personally I've always liked building a strong D line and O line before spending money on a QB and WRs. I say that because it makes it easier for a young QB if he has good protection and a defense that can keep games close. It's not the only way but it seems to me that teams that can control the line of scrimmage always have a chance. Onthe other hand. teams with great QBs and terrible lines rarely win much.

Teams with Great OLs and little else also rarely win much.

Need to build the best TEAM you can. Different ways to do things. There isn't just one championship formula despite the BS propaganda posted here ad nauseam. Get a Franchise level QB and it gives you the best chance however.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by miked1978:
NCommand just curious what Olinemen would you grab at 31 and which ones would you pass on?

I was only discussing likely scenarios at 31 for OL.

I don't watch college ball. I'd recommend asking that question of the SME's in here, no matter their personal draft strategy.

I only focus on team needs and FA plans. I used to rely on this thread to supplement those plans at addressing our biggest needs but after 7 years of 0 return from this FO from this thread, I'm passing this year.

If they fix it, they fix it. If they don't, we already know the competitive bridesmaid outcome.

How about you? Do you have some preferences? A specific draft strategy?

Lol passing on what? You've never put forth any plan of substance because you don't have the acumen to do so. The only semblance of a plan that you have ever put forth was to break the bank on norwell in 17 and brown last year…who apparently you now view as a strictly RT😂, draft wirfs…but only in retrospect since you had no clue who he was prior to the draft and then to follow Ryan pace and Trent Baalkes off-season plans to a T.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by miked1978:
NCommand just curious what Olinemen would you grab at 31 and which ones would you pass on?

He doesn't know. If it works out, whether a 1st or 7th pick, it was the correct move. If it doesn't work out, the niners just aren't trying hard enough.

I can tell you what he's looking for, though. He's looking for a unit that magically improves by 10x in the 4th quarter of superbowls. You see, because you might be talented enough to get the job done in the first 3 quarters, but if you just simply don't get the job done in the 4th, it's your fault. We need a team comprised of middling individual talent that, after drinking Gatorade in the 4th quarter, is able to carry the team to victory. The proof is all there; continue to be too stubborn to see it, and you just might never see a superbowl victory ever again

Hahaha this

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Lol passing on what? You've never put forth any plan of substance because you don't have the acumen to do so. The only semblance of a plan that you have ever put forth was to break the bank on norwell in 17 and brown last year…who apparently you now view as a strictly RT😂, draft wirfs…but only in retrospect since you had no clue who he was prior to the draft and then to follow Ryan pace and Trent Baalkes off-season plans to a T.

Bingo. It wasn't just draft Wirfs either it was draft anyone with OT in front of their name in the 1st rd. Wirfs turned into a great player (who I liked by the way) so that's clearly who he wanted all along

and yes good old Andrew Norwall lol. Just ask NC what round he was drafted in….oh wait he wasn't even drafted lol. Shocking a guard not taken in RD1 turned out to be a quality player. Never happens at that position 😝 same s**t with RB a position he himself as said you don't need to spend a premium pick on to get good results.

premium picks for premium positions. Premium $$ for premium positions. That SHOULD be common sense…roster building 101.

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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by miked1978:
NCommand just curious what Olinemen would you grab at 31 and which ones would you pass on?

I was only discussing likely scenarios at 31 for OL.

I don't watch college ball. I'd recommend asking that question of the SME's in here, no matter their personal draft strategy.

I only focus on team needs and FA plans. I used to rely on this thread to supplement those plans at addressing our biggest needs but after 7 years of 0 return from this FO from this thread, I'm passing this year.

If they fix it, they fix it. If they don't, we already know the competitive bridesmaid outcome.

How about you? Do you have some preferences? A specific draft strategy?

OL i would take at 31 if still on board:
Joe Alt (wont be there)
Olumuyiwa Fashanu (wont be there)
Taliese Fuaga (wont be there)
J.C. Latham (wont be there)
Troy Fautanu (wont be there)
Jackson Powers-Johnson (wont be there)
Amarius Mims
Tyler Guyton
Graham Barton
Kingsley Suamataia
Jordan Morgan

Guys i would not take at 31 but would take if we traded down:
Kingsley Suamataia
Christian Haynes
Patrick Paul

Good chance one of the top 11 are there at 31 but there are guys at other positions i would take over some of them.

Originally posted by miked1978:
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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by miked1978:
NCommand just curious what Olinemen would you grab at 31 and which ones would you pass on?

I was only discussing likely scenarios at 31 for OL.

I don't watch college ball. I'd recommend asking that question of the SME's in here, no matter their personal draft strategy.

I only focus on team needs and FA plans. I used to rely on this thread to supplement those plans at addressing our biggest needs but after 7 years of 0 return from this FO from this thread, I'm passing this year.

If they fix it, they fix it. If they don't, we already know the competitive bridesmaid outcome.

How about you? Do you have some preferences? A specific draft strategy?

OL i would take at 31 if still on board:
Joe Alt (wont be there)
Olumuyiwa Fashanu (wont be there)
Taliese Fuaga (wont be there)
J.C. Latham (wont be there)
Troy Fautanu (wont be there)
Jackson Powers-Johnson (wont be there)
Amarius Mims
Tyler Guyton
Graham Barton
Kingsley Suamataia
Jordan Morgan

Guys i would not take at 31 but would take if we traded down:
Kingsley Suamataia
Christian Haynes
Patrick Paul

Good chance one of the top 11 are there at 31 but there are guys at other positions i would take over some of them.

Nice. Thanks for the run down. I'll keep an eye out!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Lol passing on what? You've never put forth any plan of substance because you don't have the acumen to do so. The only semblance of a plan that you have ever put forth was to break the bank on norwell in 17 and brown last year…who apparently you now view as a strictly RT😂, draft wirfs…but only in retrospect since you had no clue who he was prior to the draft and then to follow Ryan pace and Trent Baalkes off-season plans to a T.

Bingo. It wasn't just draft Wirfs either it was draft anyone with OT in front of their name in the 1st rd. Wirfs turned into a great player (who I liked by the way) so that's clearly who he wanted all along

and yes good old Andrew Norwall lol. Just ask NC what round he was drafted in….oh wait he wasn't even drafted lol. Shocking a guard not taken in RD1 turned out to be a quality player. Never happens at that position 😝 same s**t with RB a position he himself as said you don't need to spend a premium pick on to get good results.

premium picks for premium positions. Premium $$ for premium positions. That SHOULD be common sense…roster building 101.

Oh look, it's the "good enough" teenage club. LOL. It's tough being in that 1% who still are trying to justify the OL you believed was clearly good enough. Again. And again.

I get it. Lots of deep scars and scar tissue.

I guess you wanted to spam your own thread. Classic NY.

Keep telling us about how to win those bridesmaid's trophies! It's clearly working...raising those Championship banners.

Originally posted by miked1978:
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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by miked1978:
NCommand just curious what Olinemen would you grab at 31 and which ones would you pass on?

I was only discussing likely scenarios at 31 for OL.

I don't watch college ball. I'd recommend asking that question of the SME's in here, no matter their personal draft strategy.

I only focus on team needs and FA plans. I used to rely on this thread to supplement those plans at addressing our biggest needs but after 7 years of 0 return from this FO from this thread, I'm passing this year.

If they fix it, they fix it. If they don't, we already know the competitive bridesmaid outcome.

How about you? Do you have some preferences? A specific draft strategy?

OL i would take at 31 if still on board:
Joe Alt (wont be there)
Olumuyiwa Fashanu (wont be there)
Taliese Fuaga (wont be there)
J.C. Latham (wont be there)
Troy Fautanu (wont be there)
Jackson Powers-Johnson (wont be there)
Amarius Mims
Tyler Guyton
Graham Barton
Kingsley Suamataia
Jordan Morgan

Guys i would not take at 31 but would take if we traded down:
Kingsley Suamataia
Christian Haynes
Patrick Paul

Good chance one of the top 11 are there at 31 but there are guys at other positions i would take over some of them.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by miked1978:
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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by miked1978:
NCommand just curious what Olinemen would you grab at 31 and which ones would you pass on?

I was only discussing likely scenarios at 31 for OL.

I don't watch college ball. I'd recommend asking that question of the SME's in here, no matter their personal draft strategy.

I only focus on team needs and FA plans. I used to rely on this thread to supplement those plans at addressing our biggest needs but after 7 years of 0 return from this FO from this thread, I'm passing this year.

If they fix it, they fix it. If they don't, we already know the competitive bridesmaid outcome.

How about you? Do you have some preferences? A specific draft strategy?

OL i would take at 31 if still on board:
Joe Alt (wont be there)
Olumuyiwa Fashanu (wont be there)
Taliese Fuaga (wont be there)
J.C. Latham (wont be there)
Troy Fautanu (wont be there)
Jackson Powers-Johnson (wont be there)
Amarius Mims
Tyler Guyton
Graham Barton
Kingsley Suamataia
Jordan Morgan

Guys i would not take at 31 but would take if we traded down:
Kingsley Suamataia
Christian Haynes
Patrick Paul

Good chance one of the top 11 are there at 31 but there are guys at other positions i would take over some of them.

I guess we know who his draft crush is.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
There isn't any single way to build a great team. Some like to build around a QB. Some like strong defense first.

Personally I've always liked building a strong D line and O line before spending money on a QB and WRs. I say that because it makes it easier for a young QB if he has good protection and a defense that can keep games close. It's not the only way but it seems to me that teams that can control the line of scrimmage always have a chance. Onthe other hand. teams with great QBs and terrible lines rarely win much.

Teams with Great OLs and little else also rarely win much.

Need to build the best TEAM you can. Different ways to do things. There isn't just one championship formula despite the BS propaganda posted here ad nauseam. Get a Franchise level QB and it gives you the best chance however.

When you build a house you start with the foundation. The problem with getting a franchise QB first is they get beat up. Many good QBs have had poor careers because they went to a team with poor O lines. The Chargers have one of the best Young QBs but a horrible O line. Herbert is always under pressure.

I agree you don't win with just a good O line but O linemen often have long careers. Build the line and the defense and you are always in the game. A good O line that pass protects can make an average QB look good. A bad O line and even Montana or Brady look average at best.

Originally posted by Oilcan:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by miked1978:
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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by miked1978:
NCommand just curious what Olinemen would you grab at 31 and which ones would you pass on?

I was only discussing likely scenarios at 31 for OL.

I don't watch college ball. I'd recommend asking that question of the SME's in here, no matter their personal draft strategy.

I only focus on team needs and FA plans. I used to rely on this thread to supplement those plans at addressing our biggest needs but after 7 years of 0 return from this FO from this thread, I'm passing this year.

If they fix it, they fix it. If they don't, we already know the competitive bridesmaid outcome.

How about you? Do you have some preferences? A specific draft strategy?

OL i would take at 31 if still on board:
Joe Alt (wont be there)
Olumuyiwa Fashanu (wont be there)
Taliese Fuaga (wont be there)
J.C. Latham (wont be there)
Troy Fautanu (wont be there)
Jackson Powers-Johnson (wont be there)
Amarius Mims
Tyler Guyton
Graham Barton
Kingsley Suamataia
Jordan Morgan

Guys i would not take at 31 but would take if we traded down:
Kingsley Suamataia
Christian Haynes
Patrick Paul

Good chance one of the top 11 are there at 31 but there are guys at other positions i would take over some of them.

I guess we know who his draft crush is.

Ha copy and paste failed me!!! I like Kingsley meant to put Zack Frazier as a guy i dont want at 31 but would trade down for.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
There isn't any single way to build a great team. Some like to build around a QB. Some like strong defense first.

Personally I've always liked building a strong D line and O line before spending money on a QB and WRs. I say that because it makes it easier for a young QB if he has good protection and a defense that can keep games close. It's not the only way but it seems to me that teams that can control the line of scrimmage always have a chance. Onthe other hand. teams with great QBs and terrible lines rarely win much.

Teams with Great OLs and little else also rarely win much.

Need to build the best TEAM you can. Different ways to do things. There isn't just one championship formula despite the BS propaganda posted here ad nauseam. Get a Franchise level QB and it gives you the best chance however.

When you build a house you start with the foundation. The problem with getting a franchise QB first is they get beat up. Many good QBs have had poor careers because they went to a team with poor O lines. The Chargers have one of the best Young QBs but a horrible O line. Herbert is always under pressure.

I agree you don't win with just a good O line but O linemen often have long careers. Build the line and the defense and you are always in the game. A good O line that pass protects can make an average QB look good. A bad O line and even Montana or Brady look average at best.

I hate this analogy as someone who spent years in construction. Comparing something you have full control over such as land development and going vertical to football where you don't have much control over what players sign or who's available when you draft. Would the Beats be in a better spot had they picked Patrick Mahomes over Trubisky even though they didn't have their "foundation" built? Yes. Would the Jets be in a better spot had they taken Josh Allen with out an o line? Yup.