Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Im not discussing his value, only his "scouting report," and honestly just as discussion not as argument. I guess we just have different views on evaluating the tackle position. I think his aggressiveness is his nature, and has nothing to do with "short" arms. A ton of tackles flame out of the league because they lack punch timing/aggressiveness/quick hands. After all, what good are long arms if you don't use them? Doesn't matter how long your arms are if you're late, or passive. See: Kingsley Suamataia.
Overextending is a coaching/technique and/or strength issue. See: Tyler Guyton. Ridiculous length, always over his skis. He made Darius Robinson a lot of money because he wouldn't stop over extending at the Senior bowl.
Oversetting: again, not a length issue. Length can help if you DONT have range, because you can use your arms to reach where your feet can't take you. See: Dawand Jones; not a bad mover, but it doesnt matter if he cant reach his spot against wide rushers, because they arent getting around that body anyway. But If you have the range in your vertical set because of your explosion and athletic ability, you don't need your arms to cast a wide net, and you don't need to open your hips prematurely, giving an soft inside go. See: Joe Thomas. Short arms, amazing vertical set.
Again, outside of super outliers like 31" arms, length helps to mitigate issues, but Rosengarten has the natural tools to mitigate length issues. His biggest issue is lower body strength and consistent pad level...if a skilled edge is going to long arm him to death, it wouldn't matter if he had 34" arms, 1 arm is longer than 2
I'm not arguing with ya. I appreciate your takes in here…I don't agree with all of them and you don't agree with all mine. Which is fine.
IMO his aggressiveness is in part because he knows he can't rely on his length. It's a double edged sword. He can play on his toes too much at times. Like I said I don't think it's a deal breaker. It does drop him in this draft. I agree with Guyton, thing is he does have long arms and those issues CAN be coached up. He can learn that. RR can't grow his arms. That will take time and not sure SF wants to do that at pick 31.
At least we agree that he has lower body strength issues. He's young and that can improve but that will be an issue in the NFL.
I do care about value and grades…I can like so and so based on scouting/film. I'm then gonna put grades on each guy and when I think they should go. Teams have big boards for a reason. I'm not gonna change my grade on a guy because he's been linked to SF…he's not a top 50 guy for me. I think he will be there in the 2nd because that's where he should go.