2025 Draft Prospect Watch List and Discussion

They both solve problems. You might prefer Lenoir inside, but assuming Barron is a high level player, you have great corners in any formation.
The tackle problem is different because Trent is 37 before the season starts. You put alot of pressure on the FO if you wait till he retires to figure out LT and expect a rookie start from day 1. McKivitz is essentially in the last year of his deal. Youve lost your swing tackle and there's the potential for your guy to start at guard for a year and contribute right away.

Originally posted by scooterhd:
They both solve problems. You might prefer Lenoir inside, but assuming Barron is a high level player, you have great corners in any formation.
The tackle problem is different because Trent is 37 before the season starts. You put alot of pressure on the FO if you wait till he retires to figure out LT and expect a rookie start from day 1. McKivitz is essentially in the last year of his deal. Youve lost your swing tackle and there's the potential for your guy to start at guard for a year and contribute right away.

Well said I was opposed to CB at first but if lynch sees a star I'm ok with it otherwise this is the year to BUILD THE TRENCHES. (Fist pounding on table)

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
That's a good read, and a lot of what I saw. I'd be fine moving Lenoir outside and plugging Barron in, he'd then be on the field over Green for me in base on the outside. We just don't draft DB's that high. I could see a board where we did it, but unlikely.

Yeah see that's where we differ, Lenoir shines inside. Barron will be at his best inside. IMO you're not really solving a problem on the roster.

Kindof like taking a tackle when we have Trent Williams and McKivitz?

The league has changed the way rosters should be looked at. You used to be as good as your good players, now you're as bad as your bad players because they'll get exposed. There's almost no point trotting out 2 decent CB's when the other team will just isolate and expose CB3.

Do I think that warrants chucking #11 at the position? No, I still believe in building the trenches and we've found decent Corners later. Barron would absolutely solve a problem though.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Kindof like taking a tackle when we have Trent Williams and McKivitz?

Last I checked we got a replaceable RT who's a FA in a yr & a 37 yr old Trent who's got 2 yrs at most…but yeah let's try to twist it like it's even remotely the same s**t lol. Horrible comparison.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
The league has changed the way rosters should be looked at. You used to be as good as your good players, now you're as bad as your bad players because they'll get exposed. There's almost no point trotting out 2 decent CB's when the other team will just isolate and expose CB3.

Do I think that warrants chucking #11 at the position? No, I still believe in building the trenches and we've found decent Corners later. Barron would absolutely solve a problem though.

Then get a CB that can be a legit top end boundary CB. Someone who's played man coverage and can press.

Drafting a CB who's best skill set is playing inside and converting him to primarily a boundary guy because he "can" do that is not good roster building imo. Same thing if you want to do that to Demo. He "can" play outside. He thrives in that NCB role. Same as Barron imo.

ill add I don't think they've ever drafted a CB with sub 30" arms, let alone with the idea to play them outside.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
The league has changed the way rosters should be looked at. You used to be as good as your good players, now you're as bad as your bad players because they'll get exposed. There's almost no point trotting out 2 decent CB's when the other team will just isolate and expose CB3.

Do I think that warrants chucking #11 at the position? No, I still believe in building the trenches and we've found decent Corners later. Barron would absolutely solve a problem though.

Then get a CB that can be a legit top end boundary CB. Someone who's played man coverage and can press.

Drafting a CB who's best skill set is playing inside and converting him to primarily a boundary guy because he "can" do that is not good roster building imo. Same thing if you want to do that to Demo. He "can" play outside. He thrives in that NCB role. Same as Barron imo.

ill add I don't think they've ever drafted a CB with sub 30" arms, let alone with the idea to play them outside.

If Johnson has a questionable knee i doubt they'd draft him. Like you I see Barron as a nickel and believe Demo has that locked down. There are plenty of good corner prospects in round 3-5 they could take to start opposite green.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
If Johnson has a questionable knee i doubt they'd draft him. Like you I see Barron as a nickel and believe Demo has that locked down. There are plenty of good corner prospects in round 3-5 they could take to start opposite green.

They aren't gonna draft a DB top 11 imo.

I also don't think Johnson or Barron are bad prospects at all. Knee/lower leg injuries for Johnson along with subpar tackling, poor long speed and short arms. I just don't see that being the pick.

If you want Barron to play his best football it's gonna be at the nickel spot. We got that s**t locked down. I don't think we've ever drafted a CB with sub 30" arms, let alone with the idea to play outside.

I feel like I at this point we as a fan base have an idea what this regime values as far as position goes and within each position.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Then get a CB that can be a legit top end boundary CB. Someone who's played man coverage and can press.

Drafting a CB who's best skill set is playing inside and converting him to primarily a boundary guy because he "can" do that is not good roster building imo. Same thing if you want to do that to Demo. He "can" play outside. He thrives in that NCB role. Same as Barron imo.

ill add I don't think they've ever drafted a CB with sub 30" arms, let alone with the idea to play them outside.

Drafting a RT who's best skill set is playing on the right and converting him to primarily to LG and hoping he can eventually play LT because he "can" do that is not good roster building imo.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
They aren't gonna draft a DB top 11 imo.

I also don't think Johnson or Barron are bad prospects at all. Knee/lower leg injuries for Johnson along with subpar tackling, poor long speed and short arms. I just don't see that being the pick.

If you want Barron to play his best football it's gonna be at the nickel spot. We got that s**t locked down. I don't think we've ever drafted a CB with sub 30" arms, let alone with the idea to play outside.

I feel like I at this point we as a fan base have an idea what this regime values as far as position goes and within each position.

They have always valued CB.

We spent top dollars at the time on Richard Sherman and gave C Ward a big contract.

We extended Lenoir but he isn't the #1 guy to replace them.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
The league has changed the way rosters should be looked at. You used to be as good as your good players, now you're as bad as your bad players because they'll get exposed. There's almost no point trotting out 2 decent CB's when the other team will just isolate and expose CB3.

Do I think that warrants chucking #11 at the position? No, I still believe in building the trenches and we've found decent Corners later. Barron would absolutely solve a problem though.

Then get a CB that can be a legit top end boundary CB. Someone who's played man coverage and can press.

Drafting a CB who's best skill set is playing inside and converting him to primarily a boundary guy because he "can" do that is not good roster building imo. Same thing if you want to do that to Demo. He "can" play outside. He thrives in that NCB role. Same as Barron imo.

ill add I don't think they've ever drafted a CB with sub 30" arms, let alone with the idea to play them outside.

If Johnson has a questionable knee i doubt they'd draft him. Like you I see Barron as a nickel and believe Demo has that locked down. There are plenty of good corner prospects in round 3-5 they could take to start opposite green.

Where's the graphic on Barron that showed he has equal amount of snaps as a boundary CB, NB and safety and still allowed the lowest passer rating against in the nation?

The dudes a stud. Play him anywhere and he will be an All Pro. Saying he is a Nickle only is you touting make believes to try to make your point.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
They aren't gonna draft a DB top 11 imo.

I also don't think Johnson or Barron are bad prospects at all. Knee/lower leg injuries for Johnson along with subpar tackling, poor long speed and short arms. I just don't see that being the pick.

If you want Barron to play his best football it's gonna be at the nickel spot. We got that s**t locked down. I don't think we've ever drafted a CB with sub 30" arms, let alone with the idea to play outside.

I feel like I at this point we as a fan base have an idea what this regime values as far as position goes and within each position.

I know you and the pundits keep saying this. It may even be true. However, if you watch the tape and look at the numbers his best football came this year while playing on the outside.

His arm length is an 1/8 of an inch shorter than All Pro Trent McDuffie who was moved to the outside this year. Same height/weight as well. His arm is about 3/4 of an inch shorter than All Pro Derrick Stingley who plays on the outside.

I definitely wouldn't pass on a top CB because of Lenoir. Especially since he, Barron and Green would be able to play any of the positions.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
The league has changed the way rosters should be looked at. You used to be as good as your good players, now you're as bad as your bad players because they'll get exposed. There's almost no point trotting out 2 decent CB's when the other team will just isolate and expose CB3.

Do I think that warrants chucking #11 at the position? No, I still believe in building the trenches and we've found decent Corners later. Barron would absolutely solve a problem though.

Then get a CB that can be a legit top end boundary CB. Someone who's played man coverage and can press.

Drafting a CB who's best skill set is playing inside and converting him to primarily a boundary guy because he "can" do that is not good roster building imo. Same thing if you want to do that to Demo. He "can" play outside. He thrives in that NCB role. Same as Barron imo.

ill add I don't think they've ever drafted a CB with sub 30" arms, let alone with the idea to play them outside.

If Johnson has a questionable knee i doubt they'd draft him. Like you I see Barron as a nickel and believe Demo has that locked down. There are plenty of good corner prospects in round 3-5 they could take to start opposite green.

Where's the graphic on Barron that showed he has equal amount of snaps as a boundary CB, NB and safety and still allowed the lowest passer rating against in the nation?

The dudes a stud. Play him anywhere and he will be an All Pro. Saying he is a Nickle only is you touting make believes to try to make your point.

It actually reminds me of tbe 2020 draft where some of the same people kept repeating that Justin Jefferson was a slot receiver only.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
The league has changed the way rosters should be looked at. You used to be as good as your good players, now you're as bad as your bad players because they'll get exposed. There's almost no point trotting out 2 decent CB's when the other team will just isolate and expose CB3.

Do I think that warrants chucking #11 at the position? No, I still believe in building the trenches and we've found decent Corners later. Barron would absolutely solve a problem though.

Then get a CB that can be a legit top end boundary CB. Someone who's played man coverage and can press.

Drafting a CB who's best skill set is playing inside and converting him to primarily a boundary guy because he "can" do that is not good roster building imo. Same thing if you want to do that to Demo. He "can" play outside. He thrives in that NCB role. Same as Barron imo.

Another agree to disagree, Lenoir is very good outside, their combined versatility would help us matchup. We just need good players, our issues are beyond patching up a couple of areas.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
They have always valued CB.

We spent top dollars at the time on Richard Sherman and gave C Ward a big contract.

We extended Lenoir but he isn't the #1 guy to replace them.

We gave them mid level starter money lol. Show me all the high end draft picks spent at CB? Show me all the sub 30" arms they've invested in?

we find scheme fit CBs whether it's in FA or deeper in drafts.

barrows this morning talking about CBs and how it's so unlikely that they go that direction in the 1st or 2nd.

My man, you're trying to hard to debate this one.