2025 Draft Prospect Watch List and Discussion

Originally posted by NYniner85:

"Kris Kocurek is a massive fan of Shemar Stewart."

In Underdog's latest mock draft, @JoshNorris selects Shemar Stewart for the 49ers. Many in the know continue to link Stewart (and Nolen) to the 49ers. pic.twitter.com/Y1FTz7x7n9

— Steph Sanchez (@Steph49K) April 22, 2025

Shamar Stewart's lack of production scares me. I believe the top pick should come with a certain track record of results, but what we know about Kocurek, I 100% believe this to be true. Of course he should have some input on the pick, but how much I don't know. Guys that he has been gung ho on in the past just haven't worked out (Kinlaw, and Drake Jackson specifically). Yes, injuries may have been a factor that limited those guys ability to develop, but still........

Originally posted by NYniner85:

"Kris Kocurek is a massive fan of Shemar Stewart."

In Underdog's latest mock draft, @JoshNorris selects Shemar Stewart for the 49ers. Many in the know continue to link Stewart (and Nolen) to the 49ers. pic.twitter.com/Y1FTz7x7n9

— Steph Sanchez (@Steph49K) April 22, 2025

Stop letting him have any input on picks anytime before the 4th round. He only ever seems to look at raw tools and seems to believe that he can make anyone into a upper echelon DL. He's like the defense version of Tom Cable.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Richard Sherman signed for 3 years, 39 million.

In 2018 the highest paid CB was Josh Norman at 16 million. Sherman's 13 million salary was 5th highest in the league

Then when he left we signed Charvarius Ward for 3 years and 42 million. The 14 mil salary was 11th highest in 2022. Jaire Alexander was the highest paid CB at 21 million

K'Wuann Williams resigned for 9 mil, Jason Verrett signed as a free agent for 5 mil.

So since Shanahan and Lynch have been here they have invested heavily in a true #1 CB.

You just keep making things up to suit your narrative. Neither Sherman or Ward were signed to anything remotely close to "mid level starter" money.

And currently we have Lenoir who doesn't profile as a #1 CB, 2nd year CB Green who is unproven and Tre Brown as the starters at CB.

You keep saying they try to find late round scheme fits and that's fine and dandy except none of them have been any good and two that were we let leave in DJ Reed and Womack

Reynardo Green 2.64
Darrell Luter 5.155
Samuel Womack 5.172
Tariq Castro Fields 6.221
Ambry Thomas 3.102
Deommodore Lenoir 5.172
Tim Harris 6.198
DJ Reed 5.142
Ahkello Witherspoon 3.66

So out of all these late round scheme fits you say we find only one is still on the roster out of 9 guys and only 4 of the 9 made any kind of impact

Sherm was the 25th highest paid CB in 2018, 16th highest paid CB in 2019, then 4th in 2020. Acting like that's elite money is a stretch.

Ward was paid well, he wasn't top 5 not even top 10. Short term deal and guess when he was drafted???

NOW look at where they've drafted all their CBs…You're literally proving my point, thank you. Also I see 5 current starting CBs off that draft list.

How is lenior not really good? He's legit one of the best NCB in the league and is paid handsomely for it. Please tell me what is bad with Green? Kid balled out last yr when thrown to wolves and zero pass rush. Great man coverage skills on the outside when we need it on 3rd downs.

I'm sorry what makes Barron some #1 CB lockdown boundary guy? Is it the nonexistent man coverage reps? The tinny arms? Lack of recovery speed when he's out of phase? Those are all real things whether you want to admit it or not. There's a REASON why every damn draft analysis says he's a slot/S guy at the next level….because he's really f**king good there! So why and the hell take him away from what him or Lenior do the best?!

also you know WHY we never invest heavy at CB via the draft? Because the scheme and coverage we ask of them does NOT require you to have or pay a premium for a CB….OH and because the backbone of this scheme is the DL NOT the secondary.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

"Kris Kocurek is a massive fan of Shemar Stewart."

In Underdog's latest mock draft, @JoshNorris selects Shemar Stewart for the 49ers. Many in the know continue to link Stewart (and Nolen) to the 49ers. pic.twitter.com/Y1FTz7x7n9

— Steph Sanchez (@Steph49K) April 22, 2025

Stop letting him have any input on picks anytime before the 4th round. He only ever seems to look at raw tools and seems to believe that he can make anyone into a upper echelon DL. He's like the defense version of Tom Cable.

Right? I remember the story about him wanting Kinlaw so bad that he wouldn't stop annoying Kyle about it. I'd much rather go Nolen over Stewart, preferably in a trade down.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
They have always valued CB.

We spent top dollars at the time on Richard Sherman and gave C Ward a big contract.

We extended Lenoir but he isn't the #1 guy to replace them.

We gave them mid level starter money lol. Show me all the high end draft picks spent at CB? Show me all the sub 30" arms they've invested in?

we find scheme fit CBs whether it's in FA or deeper in drafts.

barrows this morning talking about CBs and how it's so unlikely that they go that direction in the 1st or 2nd.

My man, you're trying to hard to debate this one.

Yeah and he doesn't fit their prototype size for an outside corner as you stated earlier. Again I like Barron, but I see him as a lockdown slot corner. I guess they could try him outside or bump demo outside and it could work. Like you side that would be surprising given their history. I think others think we're against it. We're simply saying we don't see this regime doing that based on past preferences etc.

Originally posted by GorefullBore:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

"Kris Kocurek is a massive fan of Shemar Stewart."

In Underdog's latest mock draft, @JoshNorris selects Shemar Stewart for the 49ers. Many in the know continue to link Stewart (and Nolen) to the 49ers. pic.twitter.com/Y1FTz7x7n9

— Steph Sanchez (@Steph49K) April 22, 2025

Stop letting him have any input on picks anytime before the 4th round. He only ever seems to look at raw tools and seems to believe that he can make anyone into a upper echelon DL. He's like the defense version of Tom Cable.

Right? I remember the story about him wanting Kinlaw so bad that he wouldn't stop annoying Kyle about it. I'd much rather go Nolen over Stewart, preferably in a trade down.

Exactly. I remember him gushing over kinlaw. He may be a great d line coach but his eye for talent is questionable.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

"Kris Kocurek is a massive fan of Shemar Stewart."

In Underdog's latest mock draft, @JoshNorris selects Shemar Stewart for the 49ers. Many in the know continue to link Stewart (and Nolen) to the 49ers. pic.twitter.com/Y1FTz7x7n9

— Steph Sanchez (@Steph49K) April 22, 2025

Stop letting him have any input on picks anytime before the 4th round. He only ever seems to look at raw tools and seems to believe that he can make anyone into a upper echelon DL. He's like the defense version of Tom Cable.

I really think the coaching staff has too much say in who we bring in…like I get it they need to have a say, but man let your scouts and FO personnel do their jobs.

Originally posted by GorefullBore:
Right? I remember the story about him wanting Kinlaw so bad that he wouldn't stop annoying Kyle about it. I'd much rather go Nolen over Stewart, preferably in a trade down.

I think we can now deduce that it wasn't only Kocurek that loved Kinlaw, but Adam Peters clearly also supported the pick as well since he just gave Kinlaw a ridiculously unwarranted exorbitant deal that nobody else would even consider handing out.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I really think the coaching staff has too much say in who we bring in…like I get it they need to have a say, but man let your scouts and FO personnel do their jobs.

I do worry that its the same thing with Foerster when it comes to the OL. "Nah I don't need any premier talent, just give me a center out of Wake Forest in the 6th round and I'll make it work."

That was an issue with Cable for so many years. He kept pushing his teams to draft height/weight/speed athletic freaks on the OL, telling them "you get make me the eggs, milk and the flour and I'll bake the cake" and most of those guys flopped badly.

And the narratives of Seattle's investment in the offensive line that focused solely on the free agency departures missed that the Seahawks annually drafted as many offensive linemen as any team in the NFL.

Seattle drafted 16 from 2010-17, the lost of any team in the league, and 15 during Cable's seven years, at least two in every draft from 13-17.

Put another way, five of the 16 picks Seattle has made in the first four rounds the last three seasons were offensive linemen.

But as the 2017 season ended only two of those five were playing — guard Ethan Pocic and tackle Germain Ifedi — with one injured (Rees Odhiambo) and two already washed out (Mark Glowinski, Terry Poole).

Whether it was identification or development — or more likely, some combination of both — the Seahawks simply didn't get enough out of their offensive line drafts during Cable's tenure.

The only two Pro Bowl offensive linemen during Cable's tenure were Unger and Okung, who were already part of the team when Cable arrived in 2011.

Of the 15 linemen drafted during Cable's tenure, only Justin Britt has sniffed a Pro Bowl berth, earning alternate status last year.

Cable was apparently also pounding the table hard for Alex Leatherwood and Brandon Parker when he was with the Raiders the second time under Gruden, both were massive disappointments.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I really think the coaching staff has too much say in who we bring in…like I get it they need to have a say, but man let your scouts and FO personnel do their jobs.

I do worry that its the same thing with Foerster when it comes to the OL. "Nah I don't need any premier talent, just give me a center out of Wake Forest in the 6th round and I'll make it work."

That was an issue with Cable for so many years. He kept pushing his teams to draft height/weight/speed athletic freaks on the OL, telling them "you get make me the eggs, milk and the flour and I'll bake the cake" and most of those guys flopped badly.

And the narratives of Seattle's investment in the offensive line that focused solely on the free agency departures missed that the Seahawks annually drafted as many offensive linemen as any team in the NFL.

Seattle drafted 16 from 2010-17, the lost of any team in the league, and 15 during Cable's seven years, at least two in every draft from 13-17.

Put another way, five of the 16 picks Seattle has made in the first four rounds the last three seasons were offensive linemen.

But as the 2017 season ended only two of those five were playing — guard Ethan Pocic and tackle Germain Ifedi — with one injured (Rees Odhiambo) and two already washed out (Mark Glowinski, Terry Poole).

Whether it was identification or development — or more likely, some combination of both — the Seahawks simply didn't get enough out of their offensive line drafts during Cable's tenure.

The only two Pro Bowl offensive linemen during Cable's tenure were Unger and Okung, who were already part of the team when Cable arrived in 2011.

Of the 15 linemen drafted during Cable's tenure, only Justin Britt has sniffed a Pro Bowl berth, earning alternate status last year.

Cable was apparently also pounding the table hard for Alex Leatherwood and Brandon Parker when he was with the Raiders the second time under Gruden, both were massive disappointments.

Yeah I think it was more of a general statement. Seems like the coaches overall have a heavy say in who's picked.

I don't know maybe it's Peters thing that he learned from Bill? Seems like our draft went pretty good last yr when Adam Peters was gone

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by GorefullBore:
Right? I remember the story about him wanting Kinlaw so bad that he wouldn't stop annoying Kyle about it. I'd much rather go Nolen over Stewart, preferably in a trade down.

I think we can now deduce that it wasn't only Kocurek that loved Kinlaw, but Adam Peters clearly also supported the pick as well since he just gave Kinlaw a ridiculously unwarranted exorbitant deal that nobody else would even consider handing out.

Good point. With last year's draft looking like it is going to be a positive one, maybe Tariq and R.J. have brought a more measured approach at least when it comes to "projects." Hopefully the momentum from that draft can roll into this one.

Originally posted by GorefullBore:
Good point. With last year's draft looking like it is going to be a positive one, maybe Tariq and R.J. have brought a more measured approach at least when it comes to "projects." Hopefully the momentum from that draft can roll into this one.

Yep, there was definitely a tangible shift in their draft philosophy last year. They focused a lot more on "safer guys" who maybe didn't have high ceilings but were more NFL ready.

I never understood the Adam Peters love.

Stewarts average time to first pressure last season was 2.43 seconds, the best mark in the FBS (Abdul Carter clocked in at 2.46 seconds).

After removing plays affected by quick game, play-action and double-team blocks, Stewart logged just 106 true pass sets last season, ranking 74th in the draft class. Should not expect elite sack totals from him. The production is down, but hes getting to the QB on a team that has a very low blitz rate. Would not be surprised with a Danielle Hunter type growth in this areas.

Originally posted by GorefullBore:
Right? I remember the story about him wanting Kinlaw so bad that he wouldn't stop annoying Kyle about it. I'd much rather go Nolen over Stewart, preferably in a trade down.

Honestly i'm sure most of these position coaches gush over all of these first round prospect because each one of these guys show something on tape the coaches can work with unlike some of you guys who can spot a bust in a heartbeat.