2025 Draft Prospect Watch List and Discussion

I'm not overly impressed with Banks or Williams the tackles from Texas tonight.

Both tackles looked slow and were outplayed by osu de and lbs. Armand Membou or Josh connerly should be the tackles picked

Originally posted by Drod1008:
Both tackles looked slow and were outplayed by osu de and lbs. Armand Membou or Josh connerly should be the tackles picked

Not to say that Williams didn't always have trouble with range vs speed, lunging and overall rawness to his game, it's worth noting that he was playing injured tonight. Id take him if there in the second. A must draft if somehow falls to the third.

I also hope Armand makes it the 2nd.

Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I've never really understood the concern with arm lenght. If it's an inch or so does it really make that much difference? Not like comparing a kangaroo with an orangutan.

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It's just math, the longer the arms the further the DE has to go to get around them. Longer the arms the further out of the rush arc the defender is pushed

You will never prove to me that one inch in arm length makes any real difference. Technique, buk and speed are far more important. It's the same with hand size. 1/8" or even 1/4"don't matter that much.

If you're talking about large differences then these arguments have some validity but people say that Brock has small hands even though they're the same size as Mahomes and bigger than Goff or Burrow.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I've never really understood the concern with arm lenght. If it's an inch or so does it really make that much difference? Not like comparing a kangaroo with an orangutan.

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It's just math, the longer the arms the further the DE has to go to get around them. Longer the arms the further out of the rush arc the defender is pushed

You will never prove to me that one inch in arm length makes any real difference. Technique, buk and speed are far more important. It's the same with hand size. 1/8" or even 1/4"don't matter that much.

If you're talking about large differences then these arguments have some validity but people say that Brock has small hands even though they're the same size as Mahomes and bigger than Goff or Burrow.

But brock does have small hands, and we've seen the negatives of that, particularly in poor weather games.

Measure ables offset other weaknesses or strength. For instance, you can have big hands but poor grip strength. Or you can have small hands but strong grip strength.

You can have slow feet but long arms. You can have short arms but quick feet.

You can have low weight but immense strength. You can have high weight but have drake jackson strength.

Arm length matters, it's just notba definitive death sentence or guaranteed path towards the HOF. It is undeniable that it takes more steps to run around a wider object. It also undeniable that longer lever arms provide more leverage.

If an OT has sub 32 arms, then he better have light feet, an explosive pass set and good pad level in the run game to offset it if you want him to stick at tackle. If an OT has 36" arms, you can feel okay about him at tackle even if his feet are a little clunky.

Originally posted by bigpete50:
I'm not overly impressed with Banks or Williams the tackles from Texas tonight.

Both of them will be overdrafted IMO. I'd be all over Simmons if not for the ACL tear so Conerly it is if they opt to go tackle early.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I've never really understood the concern with arm lenght. If it's an inch or so does it really make that much difference? Not like comparing a kangaroo with an orangutan.

This

It's just math, the longer the arms the further the DE has to go to get around them. Longer the arms the further out of the rush arc the defender is pushed

You will never prove to me that one inch in arm length makes any real difference. Technique, buk and speed are far more important. It's the same with hand size. 1/8" or even 1/4"don't matter that much.

If you're talking about large differences then these arguments have some validity but people say that Brock has small hands even though they're the same size as Mahomes and bigger than Goff or Burrow.

But brock does have small hands, and we've seen the negatives of that, particularly in poor weather games.

Measure ables offset other weaknesses or strength. For instance, you can have big hands but poor grip strength. Or you can have small hands but strong grip strength.

You can have slow feet but long arms. You can have short arms but quick feet.

You can have low weight but immense strength. You can have high weight but have drake jackson strength.

Arm length matters, it's just notba definitive death sentence or guaranteed path towards the HOF. It is undeniable that it takes more steps to run around a wider object. It also undeniable that longer lever arms provide more leverage.

I'm not saying that hand size or arm lengthdon't matter. What I'm saying is that one inch of arm length or 1/8" in hand size is insignificant. If you're comaring a guy with 36 inch arms to aguy with 32 inch arm then it might be an issue If you're looking at a guy with 10 inch hands and comparing him to someone wth 9 inch hands then it might matter. Why don't people say Mahomes has small hands? Why don't they say Burrow and Goff have small hands? I n=know why. It's because they play great mot of the time and people don't need to try and find excuses for their poor play.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I've never really understood the concern with arm lenght. If it's an inch or so does it really make that much difference? Not like comparing a kangaroo with an orangutan.

This

It's just math, the longer the arms the further the DE has to go to get around them. Longer the arms the further out of the rush arc the defender is pushed

You will never prove to me that one inch in arm length makes any real difference. Technique, buk and speed are far more important. It's the same with hand size. 1/8" or even 1/4"don't matter that much.

If you're talking about large differences then these arguments have some validity but people say that Brock has small hands even though they're the same size as Mahomes and bigger than Goff or Burrow.

But brock does have small hands, and we've seen the negatives of that, particularly in poor weather games.

Measure ables offset other weaknesses or strength. For instance, you can have big hands but poor grip strength. Or you can have small hands but strong grip strength.

You can have slow feet but long arms. You can have short arms but quick feet.

You can have low weight but immense strength. You can have high weight but have drake jackson strength.

Arm length matters, it's just notba definitive death sentence or guaranteed path towards the HOF. It is undeniable that it takes more steps to run around a wider object. It also undeniable that longer lever arms provide more leverage.

I'm not saying that hand size or arm lengthdon't matter. What I'm saying is that one inch of arm length or 1/8" in hand size is insignificant. If you're comaring a guy with 36 inch arms to aguy with 32 inch arm then it might be an issue If you're looking at a guy with 10 inch hands and comparing him to someone wth 9 inch hands then it might matter. Why don't people say Mahomes has small hands? Why don't they say Burrow and Goff have small hands? I n=know why. It's because they play great mot of the time and people don't need to try and find excuses for their poor play.

Eexcept, in the context of this conversation, we're talking about as prospects. Small hands is always listed as an area of concern for QB prospects. Once in the NFL, if it doesn't end up being a problem, it isn't mentioned. If your QB has shown a tendency not not be able to grip the ball in wet conditions, then yes, small hands is brought up again as a negative, because, well, it is.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by bigpete50:
I'm not overly impressed with Banks or Williams the tackles from Texas tonight.

Both of them will be overdrafted IMO. I'd be all over Simmons if not for the ACL tear so Conerly it is if they opt to go tackle early.

Connerly really is the middle class man's Josh Simmons but with healthy knees.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I've never really understood the concern with arm lenght. If it's an inch or so does it really make that much difference? Not like comparing a kangaroo with an orangutan.

This

It's just math, the longer the arms the further the DE has to go to get around them. Longer the arms the further out of the rush arc the defender is pushed

You will never prove to me that one inch in arm length makes any real difference. Technique, buk and speed are far more important. It's the same with hand size. 1/8" or even 1/4"don't matter that much.

If you're talking about large differences then these arguments have some validity but people say that Brock has small hands even though they're the same size as Mahomes and bigger than Goff or Burrow.

But brock does have small hands, and we've seen the negatives of that, particularly in poor weather games.

Measure ables offset other weaknesses or strength. For instance, you can have big hands but poor grip strength. Or you can have small hands but strong grip strength.

You can have slow feet but long arms. You can have short arms but quick feet.

You can have low weight but immense strength. You can have high weight but have drake jackson strength.

Arm length matters, it's just notba definitive death sentence or guaranteed path towards the HOF. It is undeniable that it takes more steps to run around a wider object. It also undeniable that longer lever arms provide more leverage.

I'm not saying that hand size or arm lengthdon't matter. What I'm saying is that one inch of arm length or 1/8" in hand size is insignificant. If you're comaring a guy with 36 inch arms to aguy with 32 inch arm then it might be an issue If you're looking at a guy with 10 inch hands and comparing him to someone wth 9 inch hands then it might matter. Why don't people say Mahomes has small hands? Why don't they say Burrow and Goff have small hands? I n=know why. It's because they play great mot of the time and people don't need to try and find excuses for their poor play.

Eexcept, in the context of this conversation, we're talking about as prospects. Small hands is always listed as an area of concern for QB prospects. Once in the NFL, if it doesn't end up being a problem, it isn't mentioned. If your QB has shown a tendency not not be able to grip the ball in wet conditions, then yes, small hands is brought up again as a negative, because, well, it is.

If it was related rto hand size that much then why don't Mahomes, Burrow and Goff have problems. It's more about how the grio the ball. Some may grip it tighter than others. All I know for sure is I wouldn't draft a player based on a small difference in hand size or arm length any more than I would by his combine performance. Game film and actual on field results are far more important. The NFL teams love to over analyze players with all the stuff at the combine and they still miss on over half the draft picks.

Give me the top available edge to pair with Bosa. We can get a DT and OT with our 2nd and 3rd picks.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Connerly really is the middle class man's Josh Simmons but with healthy knees.

Totally not overrated.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I've never really understood the concern with arm lenght. If it's an inch or so does it really make that much difference? Not like comparing a kangaroo with an orangutan.

This

It's just math, the longer the arms the further the DE has to go to get around them. Longer the arms the further out of the rush arc the defender is pushed

You will never prove to me that one inch in arm length makes any real difference. Technique, buk and speed are far more important. It's the same with hand size. 1/8" or even 1/4"don't matter that much.

If you're talking about large differences then these arguments have some validity but people say that Brock has small hands even though they're the same size as Mahomes and bigger than Goff or Burrow.

But brock does have small hands, and we've seen the negatives of that, particularly in poor weather games.

Measure ables offset other weaknesses or strength. For instance, you can have big hands but poor grip strength. Or you can have small hands but strong grip strength.

You can have slow feet but long arms. You can have short arms but quick feet.

You can have low weight but immense strength. You can have high weight but have drake jackson strength.

Arm length matters, it's just notba definitive death sentence or guaranteed path towards the HOF. It is undeniable that it takes more steps to run around a wider object. It also undeniable that longer lever arms provide more leverage.

I'm not saying that hand size or arm lengthdon't matter. What I'm saying is that one inch of arm length or 1/8" in hand size is insignificant. If you're comaring a guy with 36 inch arms to aguy with 32 inch arm then it might be an issue If you're looking at a guy with 10 inch hands and comparing him to someone wth 9 inch hands then it might matter. Why don't people say Mahomes has small hands? Why don't they say Burrow and Goff have small hands? I n=know why. It's because they play great mot of the time and people don't need to try and find excuses for their poor play.

Eexcept, in the context of this conversation, we're talking about as prospects. Small hands is always listed as an area of concern for QB prospects. Once in the NFL, if it doesn't end up being a problem, it isn't mentioned. If your QB has shown a tendency not not be able to grip the ball in wet conditions, then yes, small hands is brought up again as a negative, because, well, it is.

If it was related rto hand size that much then why don't Mahomes, Burrow and Goff have problems. It's more about how the grio the ball. Some may grip it tighter than others. All I know for sure is I wouldn't draft a player based on a small difference in hand size or arm length any more than I would by his combine performance. Game film and actual on field results are far more important. The NFL teams love to over analyze players with all the stuff at the combine and they still miss on over half the draft picks.

Ive already answered that question. The same way not everyone has the same size hands, not everyone has the same grip strength. You can offset the negative of small hands with good grip strength. This doesn't mean small hands isn't a concern.

NFL teams miss on over half the draft picks. That's where the observation ends. There is nothing to suggest that they would hit more frequently if they would just ignore the combine, or ignore measurable, or ignore game tape. It's an inexact science, but the more favorable data points you have, the better. It's worth remembering, especially early, teams are drafting for the home run lottery pick, the franchise defining player with the highest ceiling. All other things being equal, a bigger, faster, stronger more athletic player will have a higher ceiling. But it's like gambling, higher reward requires higher risk with a much lower probability of winning.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Connerly really is the middle class man's Josh Simmons but with healthy knees.

Totally not overrated.

Id be very happy with connerly.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Connerly really is the middle class man's Josh Simmons but with healthy knees.

Totally not overrated.

Id be very happy with connerly.

With #11? Man that's a bit rich for me. Would seem like the Mike McGlinchey reach all over again with CLEARLY better players available