The Mason Graham-DT-Michigan The Dream is Dead!

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Quinnen is a rare dude, but you must not remember how raw he was, only played one season. Yes he had flashes, but Graham's tape is better.

If Graham was 6'5" with 35" arms, who ran 4.7 with a 1.59 10yard split, then he'd be a much better prospect.

Quinnen had rare size and measureables combined with some beautiful quick wins on tape which hinted that he could become an amazing NFL player, but he was nowhere near as refined as Graham coming out.

So Mason Graham is among the 5 best DT prospects this decade to declare?

I don't see it. He's good but he's not some generational interior defender.

I'm sure some of you don't even read the posts!

He has top 5 tape, his measurements and measureables are not. Graham is one of the smoothest and cleanest DT prospects I can remember, but he doesn't have the elite body and burst of a lot of those guys.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I'm having this feeling that Mason Graham is gonna drop a little.

In the past 10 years there has been 5 DT's selected in the top 10

Deforest Buckner 2016
Quennin Williams and Ed Oliver in 2019
Derrick Brown 2020
Jalen Carter 2023

Top 10 is different from top 5, Graham is a top 5 prospect but if there's a run on QBs which happens often he might slip a couple of spots. That and I think teams value protecting their franchise QB so OT might be more of a commodity Jacksonville or New England may go that route. It's a long shot but not out of question we trade up for him if he falls around #8

He has top 5 tape, but not top 5 measurements or testing numbers, we'll see what they value.

In the last decade one DT has gone top 5. Quinnen Williams.

Is Mason Graham as good of a prospect as Quinnen Williams was coming out? I don't think so.

I think it's highly likely Mason Graham drops to us.

So not taking strength of draft class into consideration? Sure Graham isn't a good as Williams but this draft isn't as strong a draft at the top end. Lots of variables to declare he's gonna drop to us. He won't

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
So not taking strength of draft class into consideration? Sure Graham isn't a good as Williams but this draft isn't as strong a draft at the top end. Lots of variables to declare he's gonna drop to us. He won't

No one said he would

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
So not taking strength of draft class into consideration? Sure Graham isn't a good as Williams but this draft isn't as strong a draft at the top end. Lots of variables to declare he's gonna drop to us. He won't

No one said he would

He said it's highly likely he drops to us.

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Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Quinnen is a rare dude, but you must not remember how raw he was, only played one season. Yes he had flashes, but Graham's tape is better.

If Graham was 6'5" with 35" arms, who ran 4.7 with a 1.59 10yard split, then he'd be a much better prospect.

Quinnen had rare size and measureables combined with some beautiful quick wins on tape which hinted that he could become an amazing NFL player, but he was nowhere near as refined as Graham coming out.

So Mason Graham is among the 5 best DT prospects this decade to declare?

I don't see it. He's good but he's not some generational interior defender.

Well actually if you look at the consensus big board over the last decade or so Graham is only 1 of 3 iDL ranked in the top 5 of their respected draft class. The others: Q Williams and Ed Oliver. So yes its highly likely Graham goes top 5 in the draft.

https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/big-boards/2025/consensus-big-board-2025
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Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
So not taking strength of draft class into consideration? Sure Graham isn't a good as Williams but this draft isn't as strong a draft at the top end. Lots of variables to declare he's gonna drop to us. He won't

No one said he would

He said it's highly likely he drops to us.

Who? Maybe I missed something that'd be an outlier, I'm advocating if he falls at 7-8 I'd be making phone calls. The thing with Graham is he's such a high end prospect I just don't see a team trading down with him on the board

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
So not taking strength of draft class into consideration? Sure Graham isn't a good as Williams but this draft isn't as strong a draft at the top end. Lots of variables to declare he's gonna drop to us. He won't

No one said he would

He said it's highly likely he drops to us.

Who? Maybe I missed something that'd be an outlier, I'm advocating if he falls at 7-8 I'd be making phone calls. The thing with Graham is he's such a high end prospect I just don't see a team trading down with him on the board

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
In the last decade one DT has gone top 5. Quinnen Williams.

Is Mason Graham as good of a prospect as Quinnen Williams was coming out? I don't think so.

I think it's highly likely Mason Graham drops to us.

I agree if he falls a little bit if it is cheap enough moving up for the perfect fit for us makes all the sense in the world

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I'm having this feeling that Mason Graham is gonna drop a little.

In the past 10 years there has been 5 DT's selected in the top 10

Deforest Buckner 2016
Quennin Williams and Ed Oliver in 2019
Derrick Brown 2020
Jalen Carter 2023

I could actually see Jacksonville going Will Campbell or Membou. And even trading out of the top 10 too.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
So not taking strength of draft class into consideration? Sure Graham isn't a good as Williams but this draft isn't as strong a draft at the top end. Lots of variables to declare he's gonna drop to us. He won't

No one said he would

He said it's highly likely he drops to us.

Who? Maybe I missed something that'd be an outlier, I'm advocating if he falls at 7-8 I'd be making phone calls. The thing with Graham is he's such a high end prospect I just don't see a team trading down with him on the board

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
In the last decade one DT has gone top 5. Quinnen Williams.

Is Mason Graham as good of a prospect as Quinnen Williams was coming out? I don't think so.

I think it's highly likely Mason Graham drops to us.

I agree if he falls a little bit if it is cheap enough moving up for the perfect fit for us makes all the sense in the world

Like I said, there has been 5 DT's drafted inside the top 10 this decade.

And I don't see Mason Graham as some can't miss prospect.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Like I said, there has been 5 DT's drafted inside the top 10 this decade.

And I don't see Mason Graham as some can't miss prospect.

He's not a freak but he's so polished he is a cant miss prospect. I think only better prospects than him in the last 10 years were Quinnen and Buckner. Hopefully he falls to us but "highly likely" you're the only one that I've seen think that not just on this board but the whole internet mock drafts all have him going in the top 10

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Like I said, there has been 5 DT's drafted inside the top 10 this decade.

And I don't see Mason Graham as some can't miss prospect.

Top 10 is usually dominated by QB's and T's. His tape is top 10 worthy his measurements may not be but we had a 1st round DT who had all the measurements that's best moment was scaring Cohn.

Originally posted by Since07:
Who? Maybe I missed something that'd be an outlier, I'm advocating if he falls at 7-8 I'd be making phone calls. The thing with Graham is he's such a high end prospect I just don't see a team trading down with him on the board

If he gets to 9, and the Saints are now looking at QB, the may be willing to flip. I consider that highly unlikely, but just putting it out there.

Originally posted by Since07:
He's not a freak but he's so polished he is a cant miss prospect. I think only better prospects than him in the last 10 years were Quinnen and Buckner. Hopefully he falls to us but "highly likely" you're the only one that I've seen think that not just on this board but the whole internet mock drafts all have him going in the top 10

I just don't see it. He's good but I don't think he will ever be a Pro Bowl type DT. He won't put up big sack numbers and he struggles be double teams. He also had Kenneth Grant next to him who might be the better pro.

Leonard Williams 2015
Deforest Buckner 2016
Jonathan Allen 2017
Vita Vea and Daron Payne in 2018
Quennin Williams, Ed Oliver and Christian Wilkins in 2019
Derrick Brown 2020
Jalen Carter 2023

Is Graham better than any of these guys? I think he compares favourably to Daron Payne. He should be a guy who puts up 50 tackles and 4-5 sacks and plays stout vs the run.

Is that really worth a top 10 pick?

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by Since07:
He's not a freak but he's so polished he is a cant miss prospect. I think only better prospects than him in the last 10 years were Quinnen and Buckner. Hopefully he falls to us but "highly likely" you're the only one that I've seen think that not just on this board but the whole internet mock drafts all have him going in the top 10

I just don't see it. He's good but I don't think he will ever be a Pro Bowl type DT. He won't put up big sack numbers and he struggles be double teams. He also had Kenneth Grant next to him who might be the better pro.

Leonard Williams 2015
Deforest Buckner 2016
Jonathan Allen 2017
Vita Vea and Daron Payne in 2018
Quennin Williams, Ed Oliver and Christian Wilkins in 2019
Derrick Brown 2020
Jalen Carter 2023

Is Graham better than any of these guys? I think he compares favourably to Daron Payne. He should be a guy who puts up 50 tackles and 4-5 sacks and plays stout vs the run.

Is that really worth a top 10 pick?

Leonard Williams has played DE most of his career I believe and Vita Vea is more of a pure NT. I think what separates Graham is he shows he can defend the run while also being fast and agile as a DT at 320lbs. 4-5 sacks and 50 tackles is actually pretty good for a DT. I think what makes Graham so valuable is he has such a high floor and ceiling.

Originally posted by Since07:
Leonard Williams has played DE most of his career I believe and Vita Vea is more of a pure NT. I think what separates Graham is he shows he can defend the run while also being fast and agile as a DT at 320lbs. 4-5 sacks and 50 tackles is actually pretty good for a DT. I think what makes Graham so valuable is he has such a high floor and ceiling.

Well we had a 50 tackle, 5 sack DT in Maliek Collins and cut him. Granted, he was terrible as a run defender but still.

To me, we can get that production from someone in the 2nd/3rd round. Or late 1st after a trade down. There is a reason why there has been what 5 DT's taken in the top 10 this decade.

Derrick Harmon
Tyleik Williams
Walter Nolan
Kenneth Grant
TJ Sanders
Alfred Collins
Omar Norman Lott
Darius Alexander
Shemar Turner
Jordan Phillips
Josh Farmer
Jamaree Caldwell
Aeneas Peebles
Ty Robinson
Vernon Broughton
CJ West

All these guys can probably start and make an impact. Will a guy like Mason Graham really move the needle that much more than most of those guys on that list?