2025 Draft Class: OL

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Guard is one of the least impactful positions in football. Overpaying for that is silly imo.

draft banks 46th or Garnett 28th or take a Puni at 86th

It's a position where you can consistently find good starting OGs on day 2/3.

we might have 2 SB right now with good guard play

We got to a SB with Feliciano a 4th rd pick. You mean if we had a better backup?

we have a SB if our QB could throw a ball more than 15 yards downfield in 2019.

Only 2 of the top 20 highest paid OGs are 1st rd picks. It's one of the least impactful positions that are consistently filled with day 2/3 players. Find your scheme fit IOL on day 2/3 and pair them with higher end OTs.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Guard is one of the least impactful positions in football. Overpaying for that is silly imo.

draft banks 46th or Garnett 28th or take a Puni at 86th

It's a position where you can consistently find good starting OGs on day 2/3.

We struck gold by finding Puni in the 3rd. Chances are we would never know what we have in him if Feliciano didn't get hurt.

Look around the league at all the top guards. 90% of them were 1st or 2nd round picks.

At the end of the day what the difference of 2.42 or 3.75?

In no particular order:

Chris Lindstrom 1.14
Joe Thuney 3.78
Zach Martin 1.16
Tyler Smith 1.24
Kevin Zeitler 1.27
Joel Bitonio 2.35
Landon Dickerson 2.37
Sam Cosmi 2.51
Quentin Nelson 1.6
Robert Hunt 2.39
Quinn Meinerz 3.98
Elgton Jenkins 2.44
Teven Jenkins 2.39
Jonah Jackson 3.75
Damien Lewis 3.69
Trey Smith 6.226
Dominic Puni 3.86
Michael Onwenu 6.182
Brandon Scherff 1.5
Peter Skorinski 1.11
Issac Semualo 3.79
Steve Avilia 2.36
O'Cyrus Torrence 2.59

top centers
Creed Humphrey 2.63
Frank Ragnow 1.20
Tyler Linderbaum 1.25
Ryan Kelly 1.18
Eric McCoy 2.48
Juice Scruggs 2.62
Graham Barton 1.26
Jackson Powers Johnson 2.44
Zach Frazier 2.51

So out of the top 32 interior linemen 8 were picked outside of the 2nd round.

Originally posted by ritz126:
we might have 2 SB right now with good guard play

We'd definitely have two SB's if we had better guard play AND better safety play.

Two positions posters in here say don't matter.

2.43 seems like the sweet spot for LG.

Like I said, Donovan Jackson

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
2.43 seems like the sweet spot for LG.

Like I said, Donovan Jackson

I don't think he is there at #43 but if he is run the card up to select him. No thought required take him.

If not i like Kendra at #147 in the 5th.

I just don't like any of the OL in the 1st outside of Membou unless we traded back and got more picks.

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
I don't think he is there at #43 but if he is run the card up to select him. No thought required take him.

If not i like Kendra at #147 in the 5th.

I just don't like any of the OL in the 1st outside of Membou unless we traded back and got more picks.

I like Grey Zabel, Kelvin Banks, Will Campbell, a cleared Josh Simmons and Donovan Jackson over Membou.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
We struck gold by finding Puni in the 3rd. Chances are we would never know what we have in him if Feliciano didn't get hurt.

Look around the league at all the top guards. 90% of them were 1st or 2nd round picks.

At the end of the day what the difference of 2.42 or 3.75?

In no particular order:

Chris Lindstrom 1.14
Joe Thuney 3.78
Zach Martin 1.16
Tyler Smith 1.24
Kevin Zeitler 1.27
Joel Bitonio 2.35
Landon Dickerson 2.37
Sam Cosmi 2.51
Quentin Nelson 1.6
Robert Hunt 2.39
Quinn Meinerz 3.98
Elgton Jenkins 2.44
Teven Jenkins 2.39
Jonah Jackson 3.75
Damien Lewis 3.69
Trey Smith 6.226
Dominic Puni 3.86
Michael Onwenu 6.182
Brandon Scherff 1.5
Peter Skorinski 1.11
Issac Semualo 3.79
Steve Avilia 2.36
O'Cyrus Torrence 2.59

top centers
Creed Humphrey 2.63
Frank Ragnow 1.20
Tyler Linderbaum 1.25
Ryan Kelly 1.18
Eric McCoy 2.48
Juice Scruggs 2.62
Graham Barton 1.26
Jackson Powers Johnson 2.44
Zach Frazier 2.51

So out of the top 32 interior linemen 8 were picked outside of the 2nd round.

Did you hear what I said? I said top 50 pick you can cross off at least 10 more of those dudes. You're talking about moving up in the 1st for a freaking guard 🤢

Jordan Meredith 4th overall graded OG. UDFA. Kevin Dotson 4th rd 9th overall OG. John Simpson 4th rd 11th overall OG. Dylan Parham end of the 3rd 17th overall rated OG. Wyatt Teller 5th rd pick etc etc… There's a laundry list of late day 2/3 OG that's have played well though out the yrs

and 1st rd guys like smith and Jenkins weren't taking in the 1st to be OGs, they just didn't last at OT.

Also how many of those top 50 picks were part of a SB win?

acting like Puni is a once in a lifetime find in the 3rd is ridiculous. Happens every year at OG. It's one of the most replaceable positions in the league, hence why there's always a ton of guys available in FA.

cool you drafted Nelson in the 1st and have a OG making over $100M in a couple yrs, still doesn't move the needle overwhelmingly. Never has… it's a supplemental piece NOT a foundational piece.

You're also contradicting yourself because in another thread you're telling someone that we still avg over 400 yards a game without Banks and Trent so which is it?

you're problem is you're so invested in your mock drafts and flavors of the week that you spend a bunch of time debating why such and such a position/player matters…only to change it to something else in a couple days. You're all over the place man.

i mean you were just debating and arguing about needing to drafting a ton of DTs and posting some trading down mock thing over and over.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Did you hear what I said? I said top 50 pick you can cross off at least 10 more of those dudes. You're talking about moving up in the 1st for a freaking guard 🤢

Jordan Meredith 4th overall graded OG. UDFA. Kevin Dotson 4th rd 9th overall OG. John Simpson 4th rd 11th overall OG. Dylan Parham end of the 3rd 17th overall rated OG. Wyatt Teller 5th rd pick etc etc… There's a laundry list of late day 2/3 OG that's have played well though out the yrs

and 1st rd guys like smith and Jenkins weren't taking in the 1st to be OGs, they just didn't last at OT.

Also how many of those top 50 picks were part of a SB win?

acting like Puni is a once in a lifetime find in the 3rd is ridiculous. Happens every year at OG. It's one of the most replaceable positions in the league, hence why there's always a ton of guys available in FA.

cool you drafted Nelson in the 1st and have a OG making over $100M in a couple yrs, still doesn't move the needle overwhelmingly. Never has… it's a supplemental piece NOT a foundational piece.

You're also contradicting yourself because in another thread you're telling someone that we still avg over 400 yards a game without Banks and Trent so which is it?

you're problem is you're so invested in your mock drafts and flavors of the week that you spend a bunch of time debating why such and such a position/player matters…only to change it to something else in a couple days. You're all over the place man.

i mean you were just debating and arguing about needing to drafting a ton of DTs and posting some trading down mock thing over and over.

We need a day 1 starting LG plain and simple.

When we drafted Puni he wasn't drafted to be a day 1 starter. We had Feliciano.

All you do is slam every single prospect who ISN'T Armand Membou. I have a list of players I like and go back and forth on which positions to take at 1.11 and then the mocks change depending on that.

At the end of the day we need a starting LG, two starting DT's an edge, a starting LB, a CB and probably a safety. Which rounds we fill all those needs in is the tricky part.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
We need a day 1 starting LG plain and simple.

When we drafted Puni he wasn't drafted to be a day 1 starter. We had Feliciano.

All you do is slam every single prospect who ISN'T Armand Membou. I have a list of players I like and go back and forth on which positions to take at 1.11 and then the mocks change depending on that.

At the end of the day we need a starting LG, two starting DT's an edge, a starting LB, a CB and probably a safety. Which rounds we fill all those needs in is the tricky part.

Kyle all but said Barch is probably the starter. I'm sure they will add to the room BUT they will absolutely NOT force a pick at OG. Period. They do NOT have the luxury to go that route with all the other needs they have. Moving back up into the 1st for a OG is a horrible plan… It's a replaceable position and FA/draft back that up.

they took freaking Banks top 50 and he sat for a whole god damn season. They do not have to come away with a day 1 starter at LG.

And my god get over the Membou stuff…you're the one who's all over the place with what YOU think this team needs and who profiles where (with damn near no substance to backup those claims). Membou is a top 10 talent in this draft across the board, why? Because he's good and can play OT..an impact position that almost never comes around in FA. For a reason! What's funny is he can be a day 1 starting at LG and push out to RT next yr…but that's a problem for you for whatever reason.

After preaching for weeks about DL, now your latest idea is drafting a WILL LBer 11th overall and moving up for a guard 🤮 I'm all for adding there, but those are two of the least impactful positions on a roster. Just the truth of it. Especially when we already have Warner.

Your higher end picks should be used for impact position of need and build off that with all those day 3 picks.

SO imo start evaluating late day 2/3 IOL and LBers. Not day 1 top 50 guys

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Kyle all but said Barch is probably the starter. I'm sure they will add to the room BUT they will absolutely NOT force a pick at OG. Period. They do NOT have the luxury to go that route with all the other needs they have. Moving back up into the 1st for a OG is a horrible plan… It's a replaceable position and FA/draft back that up.

they took freaking Banks top 50 and he sat for a whole god damn season. They do not have to come away with a day 1 starter at LG.

And my god get over the Membou stuff…you're the one who's all over the place with what YOU think this team needs and who profiles where (with damn near no substance to backup those claims). Membou is a top 10 talent in this draft across the board, why? Because he's good and can play OT..an impact position that almost never comes around in FA. For a reason! What's funny is he can be a day 1 starting at LG and push out to RT next yr…but that's a problem for you for whatever reason.

After preaching for weeks about DL, now your latest idea is drafting a WILL LBer 11th overall and moving up for a guard 🤮 I'm all for adding there, but those are two of the least impactful positions on a roster. Just the truth of it. Especially when we already have Warner.

Your higher end picks should be used for impact position of need and build off that with all those day 3 picks.

SO imo start evaluating late day 2/3 IOL and LBers. Not day 1 top 50 guys

I guess we will see in a few weeks how much they prioritize the guard and LB position

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
I guess we will see in a few weeks how much they prioritize the guard and LB position

Yup, and I'm not tying to be a dick…I'm just saying we've all watched how they draft & what the what they prioritize when building a roster.

They're never been high on OG (really any shanahan team including Mike). They have always been able to find LBers later and we currently have a DC that's done it here and in NJ.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
I guess we will see in a few weeks how much they prioritize the guard and LB position

Yup, and I'm not tying to be a dick…I'm just saying we've all watched how they draft & what the what they prioritize when building a roster.

They're never been high on OG (really any shanahan team including Mike). They have always been able to find LBers later and we currently have a DC that's done it here and in NJ.

There's a group of 5-6 LB's that should be there from late 3rd on to pick from.
They should be able to find at least 1 if not 2 that fit our system.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yup, and I'm not tying to be a dick…I'm just saying we've all watched how they draft & what the what they prioritize when building a roster.

They're never been high on OG (really any shanahan team including Mike). They have always been able to find LBers later and we currently have a DC that's done it here and in NJ.

We are on a message board where we debate dozens of thoughts and ideas. If people get offended then they probably shouldn't be here :)

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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Career pressure rate allowed on true pass sets:

- Banks: 3.7%
- Campbell: 4.3%
- Conerly: 4.4%
- Membou: 5.0%
- Ersery: 5.3%
- Simmons: 6.5%

Recency bias has us overthinking Banks (and underthinking Josh) imo

— A.B. (@FantasyKash) March 25, 2025

I like Banks, because even if he didn't do well at tackle (I think he will be fine) he should make for a solid LG.