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Jan 9, 2025 at 9:21 AM

miked1978
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Originally posted by Kolohe:
This is who I really want. Only because I don't want DE's in the first. I'm still holding out hope Mason Graham will be there in the 1st.

Not me i'd rather have a true edge then a DT.

Having 2 great edge rushers >> having 1 great edge and 1 great DT.

Jan 9, 2025 at 9:36 AM

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Originally posted by miked1978:
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Originally posted by Kolohe:
This is who I really want. Only because I don't want DE's in the first. I'm still holding out hope Mason Graham will be there in the 1st.

Not me i'd rather have a true edge then a DT.

Having 2 great edge rushers >> having 1 great edge and 1 great DT.

So I guess you want to still have problems stopping the run. lol

Name the two great pass rushers on the Chiefs defense? Name the two great pass rushers on the Patriots defense?

Jan 9, 2025 at 9:50 AM

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bzborow1
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Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by miked1978:
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Originally posted by Kolohe:
This is who I really want. Only because I don't want DE's in the first. I'm still holding out hope Mason Graham will be there in the 1st.

Not me i'd rather have a true edge then a DT.

Having 2 great edge rushers >> having 1 great edge and 1 great DT.

So I guess you want to still have problems stopping the run. lol

Name the two great pass rushers on the Chiefs defense? Name the two great pass rushers on the Patriots defense?

Agree. Ultimately what you need are the best players, whether that is another defensive end or a disruptor and space eater in the middle. The article below discussed the troubles Aldon Smith faced when Justin Smith went down with injury. You'll notice how similar it sounds to they way Bosa is perceived.

https://www.nfl.com/news/san-francisco-49ers-defense-falling-apart-without-justin-smith-0ap1000000118307

Jan 9, 2025 at 9:59 AM

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Originally posted by bzborow1:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by miked1978:
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Originally posted by Kolohe:
This is who I really want. Only because I don't want DE's in the first. I'm still holding out hope Mason Graham will be there in the 1st.

Not me i'd rather have a true edge then a DT.

Having 2 great edge rushers >> having 1 great edge and 1 great DT.

So I guess you want to still have problems stopping the run. lol

Name the two great pass rushers on the Chiefs defense? Name the two great pass rushers on the Patriots defense?

Agree. Ultimately what you need are the best players, whether that is another defensive end or a disruptor and space eater in the middle. The article below discussed the troubles Aldon Smith faced when Justin Smith went down with injury. You'll notice how similar it sounds to they way Bosa is perceived.

https://www.nfl.com/news/san-francisco-49ers-defense-falling-apart-without-justin-smith-0ap1000000118307

A good example is in fact Aldon Smith, who basically went invisible without Justin Smith. Put Chris Jones or Aaron Donald next to Bosa, how much you wanna bet Bosa becomes the #1 pass rusher again with everyone on his nuts. But it also does matter who the D-coordinator is I guess, Bosa excelled with Saleh and Ryans and became invisible to average with Wilks and Sorensen. But yah, I still say a dominant DT in the middle is better than having two great pass rushers on the outside.

Jan 9, 2025 at 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Honest question. Have you ever watched the Bengals and thought to yourself, "damn I wish I had this sam hubbard kid on the niners!"

I think a much more common sentiment is "damn, this front office is wasting Joe Burrow with a putrid defense," or, "damn, get Trey Hendrickson some help!"

I actually think Hubbard is a solid DE for being a 3rd rd pick.

Jan 9, 2025 at 12:07 PM

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Originally posted by Kolohe:
So I guess you want to still have problems stopping the run. lol

Name the two great pass rushers on the Chiefs defense? Name the two great pass rushers on the Patriots defense?

I mean who's Chris jones in this draft? What DT do you want?

[ Edited by NYniner85 on Jan 9, 2025 at 12:09 PM ]

Jan 9, 2025 at 1:52 PM

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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
So I guess you want to still have problems stopping the run. lol

Name the two great pass rushers on the Chiefs defense? Name the two great pass rushers on the Patriots defense?

I mean who's Chris jones in this draft? What DT do you want?

Not saying there has to be a Chris Jones, but a solid DT that can do both stop the run and rush the passer. IMO Mason Graham fits that bill, along with his teammate Kenneth Grant. There's not really any pass rushers worth taking at #11 anyway.

Jan 9, 2025 at 2:00 PM

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https://youtu.be/HycAD99kz_g?si=fO0O3vZUcMp1_1TS

Antwaun Powell-Ryland is a guy who reminds me a lot of Dee Ford. I could see us being interested.

Jan 9, 2025 at 2:06 PM

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Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Antwaun Powell-Ryland is a guy who reminds me a lot of Dee Ford. I could see us being interested.

I keep forgetting about this guy, I like him too (or his highlights and stats at least)

he's not that high on any of these website's boards

which round do you like him in?

Jan 9, 2025 at 2:11 PM

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Originally posted by miked1978:
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Originally posted by Kolohe:
This is who I really want. Only because I don't want DE's in the first. I'm still holding out hope Mason Graham will be there in the 1st.

Not me i'd rather have a true edge then a DT.

Having 2 great edge rushers >> having 1 great edge and 1 great DT.

same
I've been wanting us to pair Bosa with another elite DE since 2020
and the only way you can do that with the cap is to find a rookie

so I think it would be worth it to trade pick 75 or a future pick to move up a few spots if Carter is still there at 7 or 8

run stopping DTs can found in FA or on day 3 of the draft

Jan 9, 2025 at 6:12 PM

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Carter is a stud

Jan 9, 2025 at 6:14 PM

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Originally posted by Kolohe:
Not saying there has to be a Chris Jones, but a solid DT that can do both stop the run and rush the passer. IMO Mason Graham fits that bill, along with his teammate Kenneth Grant. There's not really any pass rushers worth taking at #11 anyway.

Graham is way more polished than Grant as a pass rusher. Grant is not worth drafting in the top 20 imo.

Jan 9, 2025 at 6:14 PM

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Originally posted by DoseOfBosa:
same
I've been wanting us to pair Bosa with another elite DE since 2020
and the only way you can do that with the cap is to find a rookie

so I think it would be worth it to trade pick 75 or a future pick to move up a few spots if Carter is still there at 7 or 8

run stopping DTs can found in FA or on day 3 of the draft

After tonight he's going top 5.

Jan 9, 2025 at 6:50 PM

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Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Honest question. Have you ever watched the Bengals and thought to yourself, "damn I wish I had this sam hubbard kid on the niners!"

I think a much more common sentiment is "damn, this front office is wasting Joe Burrow with a putrid defense," or, "damn, get Trey Hendrickson some help!"

He was my draft crush the year he came out. Then I let people talk me off of him listening to them talking about bending the edge and what not when they were discussing Harold Landry.

I just remember Hubbard wasn't flashy but he kept making plays. Which is exactly what I see with Jack Sawyer

Jan 9, 2025 at 7:04 PM

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Originally posted by DoseOfBosa:

Originally posted by miked1978:
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Originally posted by Kolohe:
This is who I really want. Only because I don't want DE's in the first. I'm still holding out hope Mason Graham will be there in the 1st.

Not me i'd rather have a true edge then a DT.

Having 2 great edge rushers >> having 1 great edge and 1 great DT.

same
I've been wanting us to pair Bosa with another elite DE since 2020
and the only way you can do that with the cap is to find a rookie

so I think it would be worth it to trade pick 75 or a future pick to move up a few spots if Carter is still there at 7 or 8

run stopping DTs can found in FA or on day 3 of the draft

We did that- Anderson, Givens, some of our FAs, and trades as well. An average run stopper isn't going to cut it. It hits different when you have an elite run defender that can also rush the passer. Our defense will go nuclear if we had Mason Graham.