With the 11th overall pick..

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I'll give more of a pass if the thing you need to develop is a secondary part of what your game should be. Grant kicks @ss on base downs, and every now and again he gets really low and is a missile, but he needs some work doing it more consistently. Can we get him some extra moves sure, but he's not just a 2 down player.

I also agree that if we get him we should add a 3Tech at #43 or #75 at least.

I can't draft a NT in the first that isn't a top end pass rusher for the position.

That's fair, but in 10 years that list is Dexter Lawrence and maybe Derrick Brown. Grant could possibly get there and that puts him in play.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
That's fair, but in 10 years that list is Dexter Lawrence and maybe Derrick Brown. Grant could possibly get there and that puts him in play.

I mean he could be Danny Shelton or Mazi Smith all the same.

unless they're true blue pass rushers, I'm not investing a premium pick at NT…especially in this scheme. You can find space eaters and run defenders later.

we need 3-techs that can penetrate and we need a couple of them in the worst way.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
That's fair, but in 10 years that list is Dexter Lawrence and maybe Derrick Brown. Grant could possibly get there and that puts him in play.

I mean he could be Danny Shelton or Mazi Smith all the same.

unless they're true blue pass rushers, I'm not investing a premium pick at NT…especially in this scheme. You can find space eaters and run defenders later.

we need 3-techs that can penetrate and we need a couple of them in the worst way.

I love Grant but he def benefited from being next to Mason Graham. If the Niners find a way to get Graham it will be a gift from God.

they believe a CB doesn't come off the board in the 1st 20 picks…not shocking at all

Originally posted by ChuckLeavy32:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
That's fair, but in 10 years that list is Dexter Lawrence and maybe Derrick Brown. Grant could possibly get there and that puts him in play.

I mean he could be Danny Shelton or Mazi Smith all the same.

unless they're true blue pass rushers, I'm not investing a premium pick at NT…especially in this scheme. You can find space eaters and run defenders later.

we need 3-techs that can penetrate and we need a couple of them in the worst way.

I love Grant but he def benefited from being next to Mason Graham. If the Niners find a way to get Graham it will be a gift from God.

Graham also benefited from being next to Grant. Works both ways.

Originally posted by BP13:

Originally posted by ChuckLeavy32:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
That's fair, but in 10 years that list is Dexter Lawrence and maybe Derrick Brown. Grant could possibly get there and that puts him in play.

I mean he could be Danny Shelton or Mazi Smith all the same.

unless they're true blue pass rushers, I'm not investing a premium pick at NT…especially in this scheme. You can find space eaters and run defenders later.

we need 3-techs that can penetrate and we need a couple of them in the worst way.

I love Grant but he def benefited from being next to Mason Graham. If the Niners find a way to get Graham it will be a gift from God.

Graham also benefited from being next to Grant. Works both ways.

Helps having good players around you regardless. For me I'm gonna go with the 3-tech who can shot gaps and blow up s**t vs the NT that can fill gaps and take on blockers..if we're going IDL early.

walter Nolen and Harmon fill that role.

I think the debate was you can't proclaim your cool with Grant because you fill like he can develop as a pass rusher (already a good run defender) but then say you're not good with someone like Williams.

IMO if you want a big NT that can stop the run go get a Cam Jackson like player on day 3.

we all know they're gonna take Shamar Stewart. We should just accept it now

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
Zabel would check all the boxes.

-No one was expecting him
-Would be a reach at #11
-Everyone would be mad

Grey Zabel baby!!!!!!!!

precisley

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Helps having good players around you regardless. For me I'm gonna go with the 3-tech who can shot gaps and blow up s**t vs the NT that can fill gaps and take on blockers..if we're going IDL early.

walter Nolen and Harmon fill that role.

I think the debate was you can't proclaim your cool with Grant because you fill like he can develop as a pass rusher (already a good run defender) but then say you're not good with someone like Williams.

IMO if you want a big NT that can stop the run go get a Cam Jackson like player on day 3.

Yet you're cool with Williams but not Grant?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
we all know they're gonna take Shamar Stewart. We should just accept it now

Lynch will start crying if someone takes Shemar before he does. And we will trade down for only one 4th round pick back in the 20s for Grey Zabel

Originally posted by NYniner85:
we all know they're gonna take Shamar Stewart. We should just accept it now

If they do you think he's a day 1 starter? Think it might take him a year or two to put it all together. I keep going to the Armstead comp he's going to be solid vs the run and might just get to the qb a second too late but it might take fans awhile to warm up to him. I wonder what his pressure rate is

Originally posted by NYniner85:
we all know they're gonna take Shamar Stewart. We should just accept it now

I went to bed dooming over the thought that the 49ers were drafting a guard at 11.

Shemar Stewart doesn't sound too bad this morning.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Helps having good players around you regardless. For me I'm gonna go with the 3-tech who can shot gaps and blow up s**t vs the NT that can fill gaps and take on blockers..if we're going IDL early.

walter Nolen and Harmon fill that role.

I think the debate was you can't proclaim your cool with Grant because you fill like he can develop as a pass rusher (already a good run defender) but then say you're not good with someone like Williams.

IMO if you want a big NT that can stop the run go get a Cam Jackson like player on day 3.

Yet you're cool with Williams but not Grant?

Yes because I value a EDGE over a nose tackle.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Helps having good players around you regardless. For me I'm gonna go with the 3-tech who can shot gaps and blow up s**t vs the NT that can fill gaps and take on blockers..if we're going IDL early.

walter Nolen and Harmon fill that role.

I think the debate was you can't proclaim your cool with Grant because you fill like he can develop as a pass rusher (already a good run defender) but then say you're not good with someone like Williams.

IMO if you want a big NT that can stop the run go get a Cam Jackson like player on day 3.

How many double teams did Grant take to free up Graham?

Let's say we draft Graham at 11 would Cam Jackson be just as effective at taking double teams to free up Graham?

If you were a DC why would you double Jackson and not Graham? There was a reason why college DC's were doubling Grant almost every snap.

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
we all know they're gonna take Shamar Stewart. We should just accept it now

If they do you think he's a day 1 starter? Think it might take him a year or two to put it all together. I keep going to the Armstead comp he's going to be solid vs the run and might just get to the qb a second too late but it might take fans awhile to warm up to him. I wonder what his pressure rate is

not following that comp? They played totally different positions in college and overall will play different spots on the DL.

who's pressure rate? Stewart? I think it was like 12.4% which is bad, especially in college.

I keep reading the hope is he's Rashad Gary…similar profiles, pass rush was basically nonexistent in college, elite athlete a lot of what if.