With the 11th overall pick..

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I see so much depth on defense and along the line that pick 11 should be a OT if Campbell, Membou, or Banks are there. Any one of them would be a likely upgrade of McK and if Trent gets hurt they can slide over etc.

Then in he second round maybe a Center if Zabel or Mbow are there, otherwise draft a guard, and then maybe Wilson in the 3rd as the center? I've simulated this and still drafted very good defenders in rounds 4-6 so I feel like this bolsters both lines in one draft. One can dream?

Colton was far from bad last yr. If anything he might price himself out after another season here.

I have no idea why people think Banks is worth a top 11 pick? I don't see it with him, especially as a run-blocker. Campbell isn't gonna play tackle for this team with his arm length…just not gonna be a thing. Membou would be my dude and he probably plays OG yr1 then moves to OT. I also don't expect him to make it to us.

There's almost a zero chance they don't go DL with one of those first two picks.

If they don't come away with a top tier DL and go OL the 1st 3 picks I think that's a failure for this draft. I also don't think that's how this team operates.

I expect day a 3 swing tackle and a developmental IOL. I'm expecting 3 DL, RB, DB and a WR that can all complete and play this yr.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Nice physical specimen. But I just need more production outta my 1st round pick. That's why I hated the Trey Lance pick.

So you would have hated Josh Allen, Cameron Jordan, & ziggy Ansah (kinda my comp for SS)?

None of those dudes were tossing out elite numbers their last yrs in college.

If he put up 10 sacks this yr he's a top 5ish pick. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be the pick…I completely understand if he ends up being the guy.

I'll bet money coach K sees Ziggy 2.0 (a guy he coached) in Stewart. Just saying

All the top pass rushers have had solid production in college. Again not my cup of tea in the 1st round. Wait are you talk 2019 Josh Allen, 17 sack and 7 sacks in previous years before that?

I don't get why we give Kocurek a lot of leeway for choosing prospects. Again, he was probably a big proponent for Kinlaw.

I'm starting to warm up to the idea that the 49ers will pick Shemar Stewart. In fact, I would bet money on it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Second2Nunley:
I just hope they stick with older players at premium colleges. No more North Dakota State or liberty before the late rounds. Give me Texas, Georgia, Michigan, Ohio State, Florida, etc. 5 star players, not guestimates

Just give me good football players. I don't care where they played.

Same, especially since the best player for our franchise didn't even come from a Div 1 school. Also seen plenty of busts from the top schools.

IMO the key is avoid injury concern guys, off the field problems and draft players who have consistent tape, ideally more than 1 season worth.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
All the top pass rushers have had solid production in college. Again not my cup of tea in the 1st round. Wait are you talk 2019 Josh Allen, 17 sack and 7 sacks in previous years before that?

I just gave you two pass rushers who were damn good in the NFL that didn't have great or even solid production in college. No I'm talking Josh Allen the all-world QB who played pretty bad his last yr in college.

But speaking of Josh Allen from the jags. His buddy Walker who had zero production in college is coming off back to back 10+ sack seasons.

also I'm not saying that you can't look at production when talking about the draft, for sure that matters. IMO it's not a one for one thing though. Great stats doesn't equal success at the next level all the time.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
I don't get why we give Kocurek a lot of leeway for choosing prospects. Again, he was probably a big proponent for Kinlaw.

I'm starting to warm up to the idea that the 49ers will pick Shemar Stewart. In fact, I would bet money on it.

Because he's a damn good DL coach and is well respected across the league.

Adam Peters just gave Kinlaw a $45M contract, I think it's safe to say who had a big input on picking Kinlaw here.

Let's check out some of the top sack leaders in college from the past couple yrs and see if that translates to success in the NFL

2019
chase young
Greg Rousseau

2020
Jordan Strachan
Will McDonald

2021
Will Anderson
Andre Carter Jr

2022
Tuli Tuipulotu
José Ramirez

2023
Javon Solomon
Jalen Green

2024
Mike Green
Ezeiruaku
Powell-Ryland

I mean pretty mixed bag there. More misses than hits for sure.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Let's check out some of the top sack leaders in college from the past couple yrs and see if that translates to success in the NFL

2019
chase young
Greg Rousseau

2020
Jordan Strachan
Will McDonald

2021
Will Anderson
Andre Carter Jr

2022
Tuli Tuipulotu
José Ramirez

2023
Javon Solomon
Jalen Green

2024
Mike Green
Ezeiruaku
Powell-Ryland

I mean pretty mixed bag there. More misses than hits for sure.

Is there one for the opposite? Low college production but great NFL production.

Originally posted by Alfienator:
Is there one for the opposite? Low college production but great NFL production.

I mean I just mention two off the top of my head in Cameron Jordan and Ziggy Ansah. I'll add Danielle Hunter and Parsons as well.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
I don't get why we give Kocurek a lot of leeway for choosing prospects. Again, he was probably a big proponent for Kinlaw.

I'm starting to warm up to the idea that the 49ers will pick Shemar Stewart. In fact, I would bet money on it.

No, No, No. Everything coming out on Stewart sounds exactly like Trey. Not much production but high ceiling. NO more of that. I want someone who was productive against top competition, guys like Graham, Cambell etc.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Let's check out some of the top sack leaders in college from the past couple yrs and see if that translates to success in the NFL

2019
chase young
Greg Rousseau

2020
Jordan Strachan
Will McDonald

2021
Will Anderson
Andre Carter Jr

2022
Tuli Tuipulotu
José Ramirez

2023
Javon Solomon
Jalen Green

2024
Mike Green
Ezeiruaku
Powell-Ryland

I mean pretty mixed bag there. More misses than hits for sure.

You see this is where you're getting it twisted. I said all the top passer rushers have had solid production in college, meaning NFL DE's.

Originally posted by Oscar8325:
No, No, No. Everything coming out on Stewart sounds exactly like Trey. Not much production but high ceiling. NO more of that. I want someone who was productive against top competition, guys like Graham, Cambell etc.

This is such a dumb comparison. Also no one is saying take him over Graham, even though his production (numbers) isn't exactly great either.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
You see this is where you're getting it twisted. I said all the top passer rushers have had solid production in college, meaning NFL DE's.

again not true. Guys like Ziggy, Jordan, parsons, hunter were all not high end sack monster in college. So when you said ALL. That's not true.

So I'm guessing you're out of Graham as well? 9 total sacks as a 3 yr starter?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Alfienator:
Is there one for the opposite? Low college production but great NFL production.

I mean I just mention two off the top of my head in Cameron Jordan and Ziggy Ansah. I'll add Danielle Hunter and Parsons as well.

Jordan has had consistent production in college and if I'm not mistaken was being moved around on Cal's D-line. And Ziggy, man you went way back, that's a good case of athleticism transferring over to the NFL. But even Ziggy got more than one sack in a single season.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
You see this is where you're getting it twisted. I said all the top passer rushers have had solid production in college, meaning NFL DE's.

again not true. Guys like Ziggy, Jordan, parsons, hunter were all not high end sack monster in college. So when you said ALL. That's not true.

So I'm guessing you're out of Graham as well? 9 total sacks as a 3 yr starter?

Love how you leave out Allen there. Lol

I didn't say they have to be high sack stats but man 1.5 sacks a season, just not buying it as a 1st round pick.

Also Hunter was drafted in the 3rd round, would absolutely love it if Shemar Stewart was there in the 3rd.

Parsons, athletic LB/DE, still more than 1.5 sacks a season.