With the 11th overall pick..

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Hangman_52:
Only a week to go. Damn I am pumped. I hope they dont do something stupid

Everyone has their own interpretation of stupid. What would be yours?

Selecting a 7th round prospect In the first round.

Drafting a kicker top 100. Giving up multiple picks to move up for a RB. Drafting a RB top 11 etc etc

Mine is
1. Trading Brock
2. Trading up.
3. Drafting Any of the character concern guys.

Outside of that, everything else can be justified. I am anti OT and anti DE in the 1st round as much as you are anti Jeanty and anti Warren. But all of those picks whether we like it or not can be justified.

I agree with your 3 and would add players with existing medical conditions.

Originally posted by krizay:
I just don't like the DE's being mock there. None of them. Would love JTT in the 2nd. If they traded up from 43 to get him. Wouldn't love it or hate it. Otherwise I'm waiting til round 3/4 and would probably double up.

As for OT, I don't see any studs and never liked the Idea of drafting an OT to play G. even if for a year. I'd rather just get my guard later and get Mr a tackle in rounds 3-5. I understand CM contract is up after this year but I feel confident in a few middle round guys. I also view TW in same manner you view CMC. All Pro, new extension playing at least 2 more years.

If they went OT, wouldn't love it wouldn't hate it and I understand the justification. I just wouldn't if I were in charge

That's fair. IMO when you're a team that doesn't draft high I think you need to take a shot at one of those impactful positions, even if it means playing him at LG for a yr.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
krizay has been anti-trade up for as long as I've known him in here.

im surprised he's anti OT or DE since those are kinda the positions that are looked at as being graded highly when we're picking at 11

I just don't like the DE's being mock there. None of them. Would love JTT in the 2nd. If they traded up from 43 to get him. Wouldn't love it or hate it. Otherwise I'm waiting til round 3/4 and would probably double up.

As for OT, I don't see any studs and never liked the Idea of drafting an OT to play G. even if for a year. I'd rather just get my guard later and get Mr a tackle in rounds 3-5. I understand CM contract is up after this year but I feel confident in a few middle round guys. I also view TW in same manner you view CMC. All Pro, new extension playing at least 2 more years.

If they went OT, wouldn't love it wouldn't hate it and I understand the justification. I just wouldn't if I were in charge

Seems like you're really concerned on getting "draft position value" over a quality player, I could be wrong but it seems like you really value that from the way I've read your messages. I don't mean that in an attacking way, btw.

i just care if the player ends up being good or not. Obviously within reason, you don't draft a guy you can get in the 5th in the second round but as a whole - nearly all of these players will be busts and this draft position will be irrelevant. So I just hope we get quality players in every round that contribute in a positive way.

Originally posted by krizay:
These guys turn FGs into TDs. The question is if you pass on said player is the guy you draft going to turn TDs into FGs.

Yep. And last year we had no problem gaining yardage but could not score in the RZ

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Wow good thing we have the best 3rd down RB in the league who's signed here for the next 3 seasons 😱

of course Mason is replaceable. He's a RB….a UDFA RB who avg 93 ypg and top 6 in the league in YPC when he actually got playing time. it's almost like you don't have to give up elite picks to make it work 🤔 We went to a damn SB with Mostert.

you have absolutely no idea what his days are lol. So stop assuming anything and please stop making stuff up with what his injury is.

PCL strain is NOT a torn knee. bilateral Achilles tendonitis Is not an Achilles tear. Both of those injuries did not require surgery. Dude needed to change his recovery plans and workout structure. Thats it. RBs get hurt and play through s**t (hence replaceable). He's never taken the proper recovery therapy needed to last longer in the league (like Derrick Henry does). Sounds like that's changed. Moving off Mason backs up that he's more than fine (and his workout videos).

AJ is the most luxury pick ever and no we don't NEED him to be successful. That's been proven over and over. Why I have to keep explaining this is beyond me.

It's like you have selective amnesia. You listen to what you want listen too.

You're saying CMC can stay healthy all 17 when Shanahan rides him to the ground? What's your proof that he can stay healthy? The evidence points to him not being able to be a bell cow back anymore.

You keep bringing up the fact that we have CMC but completely ignore all the red flags I posted. You want to take a OT 11th overall because Trent Williams is aging but not a RB when CMC was a bandaide last year and soon to hit 30 which is the magic number when RBs age out.

I don't care how long CMC is signed for or for how much. If he has another inhury riddled season this will be his last. Then what? Roll with UDFA's like Mostert, Breida and Tevin Coleman who have 500 rushing yards each but don't produce when we need them to.

Then you bring up Mason and his RUSHING yards but completey ignore his non-existent receiving abilities or mediocre pass pro.

Yes, this regime can find guys who can put up rushing yards but You ignore how deadly our offense is with a true three down interchangeable back. Those guys DO NOT grow on trees.

And again you bring up Mostert but ignore his 55 rushing yards in the SB and the fact that we probably win with an elite RB like CMC or Jeanty.

And yes, I agreed Jeanty is a luxury pick but you know what else is a luxury? Paying an interchangeable offensive weapon like CMC 20 million dollars. They paid him that for a reason.

But hey, let's grab any dime a dozen scheme fit one cut RB who will put up good rushing yards but our offense stays stagnant instead of drafting the best offensive weapon the league has seen in a decade. Makes sense.

Originally posted by krizay:
These guys turn FGs into TDs. The question is if you pass on said player is the guy you draft going to turn TDs into FGs.

That's a good thing if they play defense lol

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
It's like you have selective amnesia. You listen to what you want listen too.

You're saying CMC can stay healthy all 17 when Shanahan rides him to the ground? What's your proof that he can stay healthy? The evidence points to him not being able to be a bell cow back anymore.

You keep bringing up the fact that we have CMC but completely ignore all the red flags I posted. You want to take a OT 11th overall because Trent Williams is aging but not a RB when CMC was a bandaide last year and soon to hit 30 which is the magic number when RBs age out.

Then you bring up Mason and his RUSHING yards but completey ignore his non-existent receiving abilities or mediocre pass pro.

Yes, this regime can find guys who can put up rushing yards but You ignore how deadly our offense is with a true three down interchangeable back. Those guys DO NOT grow on trees.

And again you bring up Mostert but ignore his 55 rushing yards in the SB and the fact that we probably win with an elite RB like CMC or Jeanty.

And yes, I agreed Jeanty is a luxury pick but you know what else is a luxury? Paying an interchange offensive weapon like CMC 20 million dollars. They paid him that for a reason.

But hey, let's grab any dime a dozen scheme fit one cut RB who will put up good rushing yards but our offense stays stagnant instead of drafting the best offensive weapon the league has seen in a decade. Makes sense.

I'm with you. I prefer taking a blue chip player regardless of position over a lesser player of need especially in the first round. I'd be down with Jeanty or Warren at 11 because they are studs and could compliment two existing superstars that are long in the tooth. If there is two years of overlap, who cares?

You then select your players of need in rounds two and later.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Seems like you're really concerned on getting "draft position value" over a quality player, I could be wrong but it seems like you really value that from the way I've read your messages. I don't mean that in an attacking way, btw.

i just care if the player ends up being good or not. Obviously within reason, you don't draft a guy you can get in the 5th in the second round but as a whole - nearly all of these players will be busts and this draft position will be irrelevant. So I just hope we get quality players in every round that contribute in a positive way.

No that's not really it. I prefer quality player. I just dont view prospects the same way the talking heads do. Im not one of those fans that like a prospect because Mel Kiper think i should. I like who i like.

I'm also the type of fan that only view a selection a reach if there's a high probability that that player would be available at your next pick. Case in point. I was ok with Rosengarten in round one last year because I didn't think he'd last til our next pick. Many felt he was a reach. He didn't last til our next pick so to me that's not a reach.

I too care about our prospects being good whether I agre with the pick(s) or not.

Originally posted by genus49:
That's a good thing if they play defense lol

After I hit send I thought that portion would get some attention. Yea I posted it with the ongoing debate in mind

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Seems like you're really concerned on getting "draft position value" over a quality player, I could be wrong but it seems like you really value that from the way I've read your messages. I don't mean that in an attacking way, btw.

i just care if the player ends up being good or not. Obviously within reason, you don't draft a guy you can get in the 5th in the second round but as a whole - nearly all of these players will be busts and this draft position will be irrelevant. So I just hope we get quality players in every round that contribute in a positive way.

No that's not really it. I prefer quality player. I just dont view prospects the same way the talking heads do. Im not one of those fans that like a prospect because Mel Kiper think i should. I like who i like.

I'm also the type of fan that only view a selection a reach if there's a high probability that that player would be available at your next pick. Case in point. I was ok with Rosengarten in round one last year because I didn't think he'd last til our next pick. Many felt he was a reach. He didn't last til our next pick so to me that's not a reach.

I too care about our prospects being good whether I agre with the pick(s) or not.

I get what you're saying. I feel like most talking heads have horrible takes on who will be a good player - I feel like they rarely take into account the teams scheme etc when saying someone should take a player.

I don't dive as deep as you or NY (and some others). I like to read people's takes on here and then I'll look at some film.

regarding who we take in the later rounds, I enjoy reading guys analysis on here once we take someone.

I agree that if they really like a player, and he most likely won't be at the next pick - I'm good with taking him. The main thing I don't want us to take are bad character guys (and busts lol)

If we can't get Graham or Membou I'd like to trade back then use that same ammunition to trade up from the 2nd round if someone like Stewart or Nolan fall

Originally posted by Since07:
If we can't get Graham or Membou I'd like to trade back then use that same ammunition to trade up from the 2nd round if someone like Stewart or Nolan fall

If Jalon Walker is available at #11 we would be fools if we don't get him.

Originally posted by Monsterniner:

Originally posted by Since07:
If we can't get Graham or Membou I'd like to trade back then use that same ammunition to trade up from the 2nd round if someone like Stewart or Nolan fall

If Jalon Walker is available at #11 we would be fools if we don't get him.

I'm not a fan of Walker he has elite pass rushing attributes but when it comes to size and strength he lacks that. With Saleh we need strength throughout the DL. Wouldn't hate the the pick but just doesn't make sense to me

Originally posted by Since07:
I'm not a fan of Walker he has elite pass rushing attributes but when it comes to size and strength he lacks that. With Saleh we need strength throughout the DL. Wouldn't hate the the pick but just doesn't make sense to me

Saleh drafted Will McDonald 15th overall when he was the HC of the Jets and McDonald is 6'4, 240

And Walker is 6'1, he looks like a 1 trick pony to me. Think our goal is to revamp the DL in a run stopping unit and he doesn't fit that mold. Maybe I'm wrong think Walker is an excellent pass rusher but imagine him getting double teamed in a wide 9