With the 11th overall pick..

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Also, shemar stewart. That is all.

So I see in a lot of post you really like Stewart. Did you feel this way pre combine?

This is from November of last year:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Shemar Stewart needs to be a niner

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
OKay, I'm in love.

He needs to play more under control, and his production will increase as a result. But wow.

Serious bend and burst for a guy that big. Serious length. Serious strength. Serious motor. I want.

Originally posted by scooterhd:

Originally posted by BYisGod:
Given the number of holes to fill, I'm hoping the 49ers trade back, stockpile another early pick and then grab Kenneth Grant and Grey Zabel. Two needs immediately filled with guys who would start from day one.

Would be hard to be upset by that. Lynch doesnt have much history trading back does he?

In the first round? Not really. We traded back one spot the year we nabbed Kinlaw.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Also, shemar stewart. That is all.

So I see in a lot of post you really like Stewart. Did you feel this way pre combine?

This is from November of last year:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Shemar Stewart needs to be a niner

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
OKay, I'm in love.

He needs to play more under control, and his production will increase as a result. But wow.

Serious bend and burst for a guy that big. Serious length. Serious strength. Serious motor. I want.

Serious motor yes, but what's up with 1.5 sacks each year? You would think having all the tools to be a solid pass rusher he'd have more than 1.5 sacks a year. I've never seen than before. Did they take him out a lot?

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Serious motor yes, but what's up with 1.5 sacks each year? You would think having all the tools to be a solid pass rusher he'd have more than 1.5 sacks a year. I've never seen than before. Did they take him out a lot?

He got 300+ pass rush snaps. TA&M plays a read and react style on the DL, hence reduced production from Scourton and underwhelming production from TJ Sanders - were talking 3 top 50 pick talents with poor production. But that can't be used exclusively as a cop out to explain away concern. That said, beyond just limiting production in general from the stand point of a slower developing pass rush by design, it also played to his weakness (slower to see plays develop) and hamstringed his strength (bigger, faster and stronger than the man across from him). When he was able to play to his strengths, chaos ensued and so he is definitely disruptive when his able to pin his ears back. But he had trouble finishing around the QB because he'd play a bit out of control...he needs to learn to throttle it down, and I think that comes with a better pass rush plan than "go fast, fxck shiet up." I also think, for as flexible his hips are for his size, that he has relatively tight ankles, and so that's why he ends up the ground at the feet of more elusive QBs. Again, solved by playing more under control. Beat man, find ball.

He's a risk, for sure, but this team needs the next wave of superstars. That's why I have him up with Graham and Membou. Those are the 3 I think have the potential ceiling to be our next cornerstone players. Otherwise, gimme Jahdae Barron. I think his ability to become the next leader of men on defense will pay dividends towards a winning culture as our current leaders age off the roster.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Serious motor yes, but what's up with 1.5 sacks each year? You would think having all the tools to be a solid pass rusher he'd have more than 1.5 sacks a year. I've never seen than before. Did they take him out a lot?

He got 300+ pass rush snaps. TA&M plays a read and react style on the DL, hence reduced production from Scourton and underwhelming production from TJ Sanders - were talking 3 top 50 pick talents with poor production. But that can't be used exclusively as a cop out to explain away concern. That said, beyond just limiting production in general from the stand point of a slower developing pass rush by design, it also played to his weakness (slower to see plays develop) and hamstringed his strength (bigger, faster and stronger than the man across from him). When he was able to play to his strengths, chaos ensued and so he is definitely disruptive when his able to pin his ears back. But he had trouble finishing around the QB because he'd play a bit out of control...he needs to learn to throttle it down, and I think that comes with a better pass rush plan than "go fast, fxck shiet up." I also think, for as flexible his hips are for his size, that he has relatively tight ankles, and so that's why he ends up the ground at the feet of more elusive QBs. Again, solved by playing more under control. Beat man, find ball.

He's a risk, for sure, but this team needs the next wave of superstars. That's why I have him up with Graham and Membou. Those are the 3 I think have the potential ceiling to be our next cornerstone players. Otherwise, gimme Jahdae Barron. I think his ability to become the next leader of men on defense will pay dividends towards a winning culture as our current leaders age off the roster.

I'm not going to pretend that I've done hardly an ounce of scout work on Stewart. This is a well flushed out post. I plan on looking at him a little deeper and forming my own opinion. Whether in the end I agree with you or not...good post.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
He got 300+ pass rush snaps. TA&M plays a read and react style on the DL, hence reduced production from Scourton and underwhelming production from TJ Sanders - were talking 3 top 50 pick talents with poor production. But that can't be used exclusively as a cop out to explain away concern. That said, beyond just limiting production in general from the stand point of a slower developing pass rush by design, it also played to his weakness (slower to see plays develop) and hamstringed his strength (bigger, faster and stronger than the man across from him). When he was able to play to his strengths, chaos ensued and so he is definitely disruptive when his able to pin his ears back. But he had trouble finishing around the QB because he'd play a bit out of control...he needs to learn to throttle it down, and I think that comes with a better pass rush plan than "go fast, fxck shiet up." I also think, for as flexible his hips are for his size, that he has relatively tight ankles, and so that's why he ends up the ground at the feet of more elusive QBs. Again, solved by playing more under control. Beat man, find ball.

He's a risk, for sure, but this team needs the next wave of superstars. That's why I have him up with Graham and Membou. Those are the 3 I think have the potential ceiling to be our next cornerstone players. Otherwise, gimme Jahdae Barron. I think his ability to become the next leader of men on defense will pay dividends towards a winning culture as our current leaders age off the roster.

Wait, TJ Sanders went to South Carolina. You mean Shemar Turner?

Originally posted by frankieuc68:
Wait, TJ Sanders went to South Carolina. You mean Shemar Turner?

Oops, yes

I believe right now, it's that old cliche, "it's a numbers game". The Niners need bodies. And I mean young, skilled bodies, and cheap bodies. Trading back is the BPA (Best Plan of Action). Whether it's fleecing some team who has a jones for some player they want at #11 or getting a couple of more picks in the 40 - 60 range AND a 2nd or 3rd next year. The more picks the Niners have this year and next year, the sooner Kyle and company can get back to doing what we've seen in the last 5 years. And with some good scouting and drafting, there should be a championship or two in the future. Kyle has found more than a few ways to lose a Super Bowl. So, he should know how to win one or two by now. And that's the way I see it.

I think if they can trade back and stay in the top 20 that is the move to make.

Originally posted by BYisGod:

Originally posted by scooterhd:

Originally posted by BYisGod:
Given the number of holes to fill, I'm hoping the 49ers trade back, stockpile another early pick and then grab Kenneth Grant and Grey Zabel. Two needs immediately filled with guys who would start from day one.

Would be hard to be upset by that. Lynch doesnt have much history trading back does he?

In the first round? Not really. We traded back one spot the year we nabbed Kinlaw.

Also traded down one spot with bears to get trubisky and got Solomon Thomas

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Wait, I thought you don't want a 245 pound DE?

Not as a base DE no.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Also, shemar stewart. That is all.

+ Show all quotes So I see in a lot of post you really like Stewart. Did you feel this way pre combine?

This is from November of last year:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Shemar Stewart needs to be a niner

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
OKay, I'm in love.

He needs to play more under control, and his production will increase as a result. But wow.

Serious bend and burst for a guy that big. Serious length. Serious strength. Serious motor. I want.

Serious motor yes, but what's up with 1.5 sacks each year? You would think having all the tools to be a solid pass rusher he'd have more than 1.5 sacks a year. I've never seen than before. Did they take him out a lot?

Only 23 tackles and 1.5 sacks.
Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane = DO NOT DRAFT in rd 1
Better to trade back if good trades offered
This is the deepest draft for DL and CB, just what the 9ers need ...
Tons of great options in rd 2-4 so trade down if possible for more rd 2-4 picks

IMO they have no other option but to select a DT with their first round pick
They already had the starting OL with Brendel/Hennessy at C (I hope Hennessy fights his way and displace Brendel but,...), Barcht-Puni at both sides completing the IOL and William-Mckivitz as T. And they made some underrated and IMO really good signings to complete the CB room (both Tre's, Tomlinson and Brown), complete the safety room (Grant), WRs (Robinson) and TEs (Farrell)

So now, after the first FA wave, their most glaring needs are 2 DT starters and a LB#2,... and I'd use the first 2 picks to adress this
From these positions NT is the one you can find a starter in later rounds,... or even use Evan Anderson,... if he gives his next step in his sophomore year he could become a decent starter.
While to find a starter caliber 3-tech you must take him in the first 2 rounds,... there are some: Mason, Nolen, Harmon, Alexander, Williams,... but none in later rounds,... well, there are some like Peebles but iMO not at the same level

taking into account that Mason is going to go to Jax (they announced that they are going to focus on filling the DL and it's a no-brainer to get him), the rest of the possible 3-tech starters are expected late 1st or early 2nd round,... so if it's possible (always need 2 to tango) I would trade down and get an extra 2nd or 3rd and then get the guy,... my preferred one is Derrick Harmon but I wouldn't mind taking Alexander while Nolen seems a little bit riskier with his character issues (and the niners cannot risk with this pick)

the other huge hole at LB#2 can be taken in the 2nd round,... from the 2 expected to go in the first round, Jalon Walker is more a 3-4 fit and I think Jihaad Campbell could bust (very athletic but questionable instincts),... so I would take Demetrius Knight with the second,... excellent and aggresive tackler,... perfect substitution for Dre

then with the four 3rd-4th rounders that we have fill the trenches,... select a NT (I like the huge Ja'Maree Caldwell a lot but could also be Alfred Collins, another big boy), an Edge (i like in this range David Walker or Elijah Roberts) and a Tackle (Anthony Belton would be my preferred one at this range,... I like a lot Holin Pierce in later rounds, huge mountain man at 6'8'' and 341 lb but very good movements and some astonishing 36 inch arms)
And they would still have room to pick Mukuba as FS.

Originally posted by replikante:
IMO they have no other option but to select a DT with their first round pick
They already had the starting OL with Brendel/Hennessy at C (I hope Hennessy fights his way and displace Brendel but,...), Barcht-Puni at both sides completing the IOL and William-Mckivitz as T. And they made some underrated and IMO really good signings to complete the CB room (both Tre's, Tomlinson and Brown), complete the safety room (Grant), WRs (Robinson) and TEs (Farrell)

So now, after the first FA wave, their most glaring needs are 2 DT starters and a LB#2,... and I'd use the first 2 picks to adress this
From these positions NT is the one you can find a starter in later rounds,... or even use Evan Anderson,... if he gives his next step in his sophomore year he could become a decent starter.
While to find a starter caliber 3-tech you must take him in the first 2 rounds,... there are some: Mason, Nolen, Harmon, Alexander, Williams,... but none in later rounds,... well, there are some like Peebles but iMO not at the same level

taking into account that Mason is going to go to Jax (they announced that they are going to focus on filling the DL and it's a no-brainer to get him), the rest of the possible 3-tech starters are expected late 1st or early 2nd round,... so if it's possible (always need 2 to tango) I would trade down and get an extra 2nd or 3rd and then get the guy,... my preferred one is Derrick Harmon but I wouldn't mind taking Alexander while Nolen seems a little bit riskier with his character issues (and the niners cannot risk with this pick)

the other huge hole at LB#2 can be taken in the 2nd round,... from the 2 expected to go in the first round, Jalon Walker is more a 3-4 fit and I think Jihaad Campbell could bust (very athletic but questionable instincts),... so I would take Demetrius Knight with the second,... excellent and aggresive tackler,... perfect substitution for Dre

then with the four 3rd-4th rounders that we have fill the trenches,... select a NT (I like the huge Ja'Maree Caldwell a lot but could also be Alfred Collins, another big boy), an Edge (i like in this range David Walker or Elijah Roberts) and a Tackle (Anthony Belton would be my preferred one at this range,... I like a lot Holin Pierce in later rounds, huge mountain man at 6'8'' and 341 lb but very good movements and some astonishing 36 inch arms)
And they would still have room to pick Mukuba as FS.

A well thought out post, but this is how you miss out on good players. Never let an average player you picked up stop you from taking a great player.

You grade the players, and if two are very close then you can look at need and positional value. Obviously we don't draft a QB or RB, but pretty much every other position is an option regardless of need.

Originally posted by maxsmart:
Only 23 tackles and 1.5 sacks.
Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane = DO NOT DRAFT in rd 1
Better to trade back if good trades offered
This is the deepest draft for DL and CB, just what the 9ers need ...
Tons of great options in rd 2-4 so trade down if possible for more rd 2-4 picks

Looking a pure stats to determine a players worth is lame. Might as well draft Ezeiruaku top 10 with that thought process.

also when someone uses the term Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane…that means he's getting thrown around. That's simply not the truth. Like adrianlesnar stated T&AM wasn't exactly setup to let these dudes put up monster stats.

his issue is finishing plays. He needs to be coached up big time.

wouldn't be my pick at 11 just based off the development he needs. That said folks need to get on board with him realistically being a strong candidate to be the pick if there.