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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Looking a pure stats to determine a players worth is lame. Might as well draft Ezeiruaku top 10 with that thought process.
also when someone uses the term Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane…that means he's getting thrown around. That's simply not the truth. Like adrianlesnar stated T&AM wasn't exactly setup to let these dudes put up monster stats.
his issue is finishing plays. He needs to be coached up big time.
wouldn't be my pick at 11 just based off the development he needs. That said folks need to get on board with him realistically being a strong candidate to be the pick if there.
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Originally posted by replikante:
IMO they have no other option but to select a DT with their first round pick
They already had the starting OL with Brendel/Hennessy at C (I hope Hennessy fights his way and displace Brendel but,...), Barcht-Puni at both sides completing the IOL and William-Mckivitz as T. And they made some underrated and IMO really good signings to complete the CB room (both Tre's, Tomlinson and Brown), complete the safety room (Grant), WRs (Robinson) and TEs (Farrell)
So now, after the first FA wave, their most glaring needs are 2 DT starters and a LB#2,... and I'd use the first 2 picks to adress this
From these positions NT is the one you can find a starter in later rounds,... or even use Evan Anderson,... if he gives his next step in his sophomore year he could become a decent starter.
While to find a starter caliber 3-tech you must take him in the first 2 rounds,... there are some: Mason, Nolen, Harmon, Alexander, Williams,... but none in later rounds,... well, there are some like Peebles but iMO not at the same level
taking into account that Mason is going to go to Jax (they announced that they are going to focus on filling the DL and it's a no-brainer to get him), the rest of the possible 3-tech starters are expected late 1st or early 2nd round,... so if it's possible (always need 2 to tango) I would trade down and get an extra 2nd or 3rd and then get the guy,... my preferred one is Derrick Harmon but I wouldn't mind taking Alexander while Nolen seems a little bit riskier with his character issues (and the niners cannot risk with this pick)
the other huge hole at LB#2 can be taken in the 2nd round,... from the 2 expected to go in the first round, Jalon Walker is more a 3-4 fit and I think Jihaad Campbell could bust (very athletic but questionable instincts),... so I would take Demetrius Knight with the second,... excellent and aggresive tackler,... perfect substitution for Dre
then with the four 3rd-4th rounders that we have fill the trenches,... select a NT (I like the huge Ja'Maree Caldwell a lot but could also be Alfred Collins, another big boy), an Edge (i like in this range David Walker or Elijah Roberts) and a Tackle (Anthony Belton would be my preferred one at this range,... I like a lot Holin Pierce in later rounds, huge mountain man at 6'8'' and 341 lb but very good movements and some astonishing 36 inch arms)
And they would still have room to pick Mukuba as FS.
A well thought out post, but this is how you miss out on good players. Never let an average player you picked up stop you from taking a great player.
You grade the players, and if two are very close then you can look at need and positional value. Obviously we don't draft a QB or RB, but pretty much every other position is an option regardless of need.
Originally posted by maxsmart:
Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane = DO NOT DRAFT in rd 1
Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Serious motor yes, but what's up with 1.5 sacks each year? You would think having all the tools to be a solid pass rusher he'd have more than 1.5 sacks a year. I've never seen than before. Did they take him out a lot?
He got 300+ pass rush snaps. TA&M plays a read and react style on the DL, hence reduced production from Scourton and underwhelming production from TJ Sanders - were talking 3 top 50 pick talents with poor production. But that can't be used exclusively as a cop out to explain away concern. That said, beyond just limiting production in general from the stand point of a slower developing pass rush by design, it also played to his weakness (slower to see plays develop) and hamstringed his strength (bigger, faster and stronger than the man across from him). When he was able to play to his strengths, chaos ensued and so he is definitely disruptive when his able to pin his ears back. But he had trouble finishing around the QB because he'd play a bit out of control...he needs to learn to throttle it down, and I think that comes with a better pass rush plan than "go fast, fxck shiet up." I also think, for as flexible his hips are for his size, that he has relatively tight ankles, and so that's why he ends up the ground at the feet of more elusive QBs. Again, solved by playing more under control. Beat man, find ball.
He's a risk, for sure, but this team needs the next wave of superstars. That's why I have him up with Graham and Membou. Those are the 3 I think have the potential ceiling to be our next cornerstone players. Otherwise, gimme Jahdae Barron. I think his ability to become the next leader of men on defense will pay dividends towards a winning culture as our current leaders age off the roster.
Originally posted by replikante:
I'm 100% to go BPA (or BPA based on needs),... and untill this year the FO used to fill the roster in FA with experienced starters which enables you to go BPA
but this is not the case this year,... they refused to get starter caliber experienced players at both DT positions and at LB#2,... they cannot start with Jordan Elliot-Evan Anderson as the IDLinemen and Winters as the Sam LB alongside Warner,... that would be a disaster
if they want to reach the playoffs, and I think they can, they have to take starting caliber players at these positions,... and this means first rounds
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Originally posted by replikante:
I'm 100% to go BPA (or BPA based on needs),... and untill this year the FO used to fill the roster in FA with experienced starters which enables you to go BPA
but this is not the case this year,... they refused to get starter caliber experienced players at both DT positions and at LB#2,... they cannot start with Jordan Elliot-Evan Anderson as the IDLinemen and Winters as the Sam LB alongside Warner,... that would be a disaster
if they want to reach the playoffs, and I think they can, they have to take starting caliber players at these positions,... and this means first rounds
That's fair if they are close in grade, but we've just got to draft the best players, it's much harder if you let needs cloud that. Let's just pray for a Michigan DT to grade out tops anyway
Originally posted by replikante:
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Originally posted by replikante:
I'm 100% to go BPA (or BPA based on needs),... and untill this year the FO used to fill the roster in FA with experienced starters which enables you to go BPA
but this is not the case this year,... they refused to get starter caliber experienced players at both DT positions and at LB#2,... they cannot start with Jordan Elliot-Evan Anderson as the IDLinemen and Winters as the Sam LB alongside Warner,... that would be a disaster
if they want to reach the playoffs, and I think they can, they have to take starting caliber players at these positions,... and this means first rounds
That's fair if they are close in grade, but we've just got to draft the best players, it's much harder if you let needs cloud that. Let's just pray for a Michigan DT to grade out tops anyway
they cannot do that this year,.... that's my hole point,.... I agree that going BPA (or BPA based on needs) is the best way to go but the niners leaving those huge holes in the team have forced themselves into having to fill them firstly
if they go BPA with those big holes the most probable outcome would be an unbalanced team
Originally posted by Kolohe:
I'm not sure what you mean by read and react style on the D-line?
Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
I'm not sure what you mean by read and react style on the D-line?
A&M doesn't ask their DL to always fire off the ball and get up field.
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
So, say you've got a top 5 grade on Tet McMillan (I don't but humour me) do you pass to fill the need at DT? For me if you also had a top 5 grade on Mason Graham and they were both there, fine take the need as a tie breaker, but if he was gone and you had a low first round grade on Grant or Nolan? Would you take them?
We're at #11, players like Patrick Willis, Aaron Donald and JJ Watt have gone around there in the past, would you want to be a team passing on one of those as you had a bigger need?
Originally posted by DoseOfBosa:
my post FA pipe dream is to trade back TWICE
but somehow stay in the top 25
and then trade back up in the late 1st and get:
Derrick Harmon and Walter Nolen
then on day 2:
Alfred Collins and Jordan Burch (and BPA with the other picks)
if we're doing a rebuild, let's start with the foundation first
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Not a FULL rebuild. A FULL reload sounds better.
With all the holes defensively, I can see the 49ers trading the 11th overall pick for the best available offer. Depending upon how far they fall back, I would hope compensation includes a 2026 first round pick, plus a second in this year's upcoming draft. Maybe a third as well. But, perhaps this is just a pipe dream.
My thoughts haven't changed, however. First three picks: DEFENSE, DEFENSE AND MORE DEFENSE. A strong run-stopping line and a good pass rush covers up a lot of holes in the secondary.