Walter Nolen IDL Ole Miss

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Wouldn't touch Nolan unless he somehow fell to the 3rd rd. There are just too many DTs in this draft to risk taking him at 11 or 43.

I'm with you.

Why take the risk?

Originally posted by genus49:
Talent is clearly there. If the team clears him given how they view guys who half ass it I would hope he shows up ready to dominate.

I can't imagine that our guys don't have access to behind the scenes stuff as they've done a pretty good job avoiding guys who don't work hard or do stupid stuff since Foster/Pettis. If they take him at 11 I'm confident the answers they got were a non issue or simply people putting out BS or blowing things out of proportion.

He won't be there at 43…if he is then those stories were true but I'm 100% taking the risk then and hoping him sliding lights a fire under his ass.

I've read he is basically a mercenary. He will play for money and that's it.

I don't want this guy. Don't ignore the red flags and pretend they aren't there or that he can change when they get to the pros. Same with Mike Green.

Compare it to dating a woman with multiple red flags. Guys think they can change the woman and how does that turn out 99% of the time? :)

Why risk it? Culture fit and work ethic is as important as play on the field.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by genus49:
Talent is clearly there. If the team clears him given how they view guys who half ass it I would hope he shows up ready to dominate.

I can't imagine that our guys don't have access to behind the scenes stuff as they've done a pretty good job avoiding guys who don't work hard or do stupid stuff since Foster/Pettis. If they take him at 11 I'm confident the answers they got were a non issue or simply people putting out BS or blowing things out of proportion.

He won't be there at 43…if he is then those stories were true but I'm 100% taking the risk then and hoping him sliding lights a fire under his ass.

I've read he is basically a mercenary. He will play for money and that's it.

I don't want this guy. Don't ignore the red flags and pretend they aren't there or that he can change when they get to the pros. Same with Mike Green.

Compare it to dating a woman with multiple red flags. Guys think they can change the woman and how does that turn out 99% of the time? :)

Why risk it? Culture fit and work ethic is as important as play on the field.

Maybe the red flags will cause him to slide bck into the 2nd round. I doubt it because too many teams are willing to take chance on a guy with talent. I'm torn on Nolan since he does have the ability to be great. The question comes down to how will he react when he gets around older players and better coaches.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by genus49:
Talent is clearly there. If the team clears him given how they view guys who half ass it I would hope he shows up ready to dominate.

I can't imagine that our guys don't have access to behind the scenes stuff as they've done a pretty good job avoiding guys who don't work hard or do stupid stuff since Foster/Pettis. If they take him at 11 I'm confident the answers they got were a non issue or simply people putting out BS or blowing things out of proportion.

He won't be there at 43…if he is then those stories were true but I'm 100% taking the risk then and hoping him sliding lights a fire under his ass.

I've read he is basically a mercenary. He will play for money and that's it.

I don't want this guy. Don't ignore the red flags and pretend they aren't there or that he can change when they get to the pros. Same with Mike Green.

Compare it to dating a woman with multiple red flags. Guys think they can change the woman and how does that turn out 99% of the time? :)

Why risk it? Culture fit and work ethic is as important as play on the field.

I get and I agree. I'm just saying IF he's the pick it tells me they believe those issues are either overblown or they believe it may not be an issue.

Curtis Martin talked about how he hated football and basically played for money. He made the HOF.

It will certainly make things difficult come contract talks but difficult contract talks tend to mean that player has played pretty well.

Either way I'm excited for the draft to get here to see what happens. Personally I'm leaning towards DE at that pick if we don't move down and probably would rather roll the dice with Harmon over Nolen if we stayed at 11.

Nolan will probably be like Deebo just in good enough shape to stay the starter have a crazy breakout contract year then hold out so he doesn't have to participate in training camp and do the bare minimum after

Originally posted by Since07:
Nolan will probably be like Deebo just in good enough shape to stay the starter have a crazy breakout contract year then hold out so he doesn't have to participate in training camp and do the bare minimum after

Maybe…or he gets a taste of what it feels like to be considered a dominant NFL player and plays his butt off to make the HoF one day.

Thats why the nfl draft is so hard.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Since07:
Nolan will probably be like Deebo just in good enough shape to stay the starter have a crazy breakout contract year then hold out so he doesn't have to participate in training camp and do the bare minimum after

Maybe…or he gets a taste of what it feels like to be considered a dominant NFL player and plays his butt off to make the HoF one day.

Thats why the nfl draft is so hard.

It's impossible to predict how a young college kid that was king on campus will react when he gets surrounded by older players who are as good or better than him. Will he listen to advice and learn? Will he mature and become a responsible person and not blow his money partying? Or will he get even crazier with all the money and freedom? It's what keeps GMs and coaches awake at night leading into and following the draft. They make their picks and then hope the players turn out okay.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Since07:
Nolan will probably be like Deebo just in good enough shape to stay the starter have a crazy breakout contract year then hold out so he doesn't have to participate in training camp and do the bare minimum after

Maybe…or he gets a taste of what it feels like to be considered a dominant NFL player and plays his butt off to make the HoF one day.

Thats why the nfl draft is so hard.

It's impossible to predict how a young college kid that was king on campus will react when he gets surrounded by older players who are as good or better than him. Will he listen to advice and learn? Will he mature and become a responsible person and not blow his money partying? Or will he get even crazier with all the money and freedom? It's what keeps GMs and coaches awake at night leading into and following the draft. They make their picks and then hope the players turn out okay.

Yes they hope, but they also visit and do their research, problem for us though is that we did all that with Reuben Foster. We were completely right about the actual character, but couldn't reconcile the dumb @ss in him. Stupid is as stupid does, and I doubt we're in on Nolen.

If someone is intentionally tanking his stock, they are doing a good job of it. 9

Originally posted by NTeply49:
If someone is intentionally tanking his stock, they are doing a good job of it. 9

This idea is so dumb, could you imagine the ramifications? They and the nfl would get sued, the players on so said team would be outraged the nflpa would have a field day. The nfl themselves would probably come down the hardest they ever have on fines and pulling draft picks. It's one thing tampering or cheating to win it's a whole other thing to slander. I just don't see it. There was the Tunsil situation but that could have been anyone and there was actual video evidence.

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by NTeply49:
If someone is intentionally tanking his stock, they are doing a good job of it. 9

This idea is so dumb, could you imagine the ramifications? They and the nfl would get sued, the players on so said team would be outraged the nflpa would have a field day. The nfl themselves would probably come down the hardest they ever have on fines and pulling draft picks. It's one thing tampering or cheating to win it's a whole other thing to slander. I just don't see it. There was the Tunsil situation but that could have been anyone and there was actual video evidence.

I'm confused do you think this doesn't happen? Cuz it happens every year.

Tho I'm not sure if stuff like that ever really impacts NFL teams unless they're lazy and don't have their own people who can flush out what's real and not.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by NTeply49:
If someone is intentionally tanking his stock, they are doing a good job of it. 9

This idea is so dumb, could you imagine the ramifications? They and the nfl would get sued, the players on so said team would be outraged the nflpa would have a field day. The nfl themselves would probably come down the hardest they ever have on fines and pulling draft picks. It's one thing tampering or cheating to win it's a whole other thing to slander. I just don't see it. There was the Tunsil situation but that could have been anyone and there was actual video evidence.

I'm confused do you think this doesn't happen? Cuz it happens every year.

Tho I'm not sure if stuff like that ever really impacts NFL teams unless they're lazy and don't have their own people who can flush out what's real and not.

Of course there's talk and rumors about players every year but teams just making things up slandering/sabotaging college players is ludicrous. Again if that were to happen the ramifications would heavily outweigh the benefit of "potentially" have a player drop to you and even then say you slander a young man's character and he does drop to you, it isn't a guarantee he's a star.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
I've read he is basically a mercenary. He will play for money and that's it.

I don't want this guy. Don't ignore the red flags and pretend they aren't there or that he can change when they get to the pros. Same with Mike Green.

Compare it to dating a woman with multiple red flags. Guys think they can change the woman and how does that turn out 99% of the time? :)

Why risk it? Culture fit and work ethic is as important as play on the field.

What NFL player isn't playing for money? That doesn't bother me at all. He's gonna realize that he isn't getting $ unless he performs.

IMO this gonna be more common with the NIL stuff in college happening all the time.

I mean Jalen Carter had some legit red flags and he's doing just fine. Why does Philly get to keep drafting these type of "charter issue guys" and get to prosper lol?

If SF's okay with it, then I'm okay with it. Get him around Warner, Bosa and Brock and I think he will be fine.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Yes they hope, but they also visit and do their research, problem for us though is that we did all that with Reuben Foster. We were completely right about the actual character, but couldn't reconcile the dumb @ss in him. Stupid is as stupid does, and I doubt we're in on Nolen.

Thing is not every character issue guys turns into Ruben Foster. Go look at Bowman in college vs the pros. There's a long list of character issue guys in college that went on to be damn good football players.

Gotta do your homework. Also not all character issues are created equal.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Yes they hope, but they also visit and do their research, problem for us though is that we did all that with Reuben Foster. We were completely right about the actual character, but couldn't reconcile the dumb @ss in him. Stupid is as stupid does, and I doubt we're in on Nolen.

Thing is not every character issue guys turns into Ruben Foster. Go look at Bowman in college vs the pros. There's a long list of character issue guys in college that went on to be damn good football players.

Gotta do your homework. Also not all character issues are created equal.

That is true, but I think the NIL gives us little insights that shouldn't be ignored. Was Nolen getting away from A&M because their scheme sucked? Possibly or was it because he got more money to go to Ole Miss with them basically buying a D-Line?

How much of his freelancing was a green light from the coaches, how much was him trying to make himself look good?

Was he looking gassed because he plays so hard, lack of conditioning? Or lack of interest?

I felt like they rotated well with JJ Pegues and others so didn't think it would be that.

You're right though, homework is the key. Problem is you really need it from his position coaches or strength coaches, but will they tell the truth?