Originally posted by angelv05:like I care what you think, haterOriginally posted by billybonka:
pro bowl 08, playoffs.
what what.
Probowl?
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JTO Eating Crow Thread!!!
Aug 26, 2008 at 3:28 PM
- billybonka
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Aug 26, 2008 at 3:29 PM
- SanFranAddic
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When the games count every one of us want our QB to kick butt. It doesn't matter what name or number is on the back of the jersey. Some may not think he's the best option, but we ALL want him to tear it up when he is behind center on game day.
GO NINERS!!
GO NINERS!!
Aug 26, 2008 at 3:30 PM
- billybonka
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Originally posted by SanFranAddic:werd son
When the games count every one of us want our QB to kick butt. It doesn't matter what name or number is on the back of the jersey. Some may not think he's the best option, but we ALL want him to tear it up when he is behind center on game day.
GO NINERS!!
Aug 26, 2008 at 3:31 PM
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Positives:
- Absolute command of the offense to the smallest skilled position
- Knows how to make sure #1 is done to perfection
- Will drill Vernon in the head with a bullet throw if he keeps effing up
- Has no problem sliding in the pocket to create better passing lanes
- Has no problem making the quick throw AFTER making the shift in the pocket
- Can release from slightly different points to make the pass
- Can scramble
- Can roll out, plant, and gun a 37 yarder on a rope
- Can throw a 40 freaking yard (in the air) corner route
- Can get us 10 wins!!!!
That is soo true... It was cool seeing him redirect the younger receivers to their right spots before the snap of the ball when they lined up wrong....
Aug 26, 2008 at 3:34 PM
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I know he can fall flat on his face, but I'm really excited about what this guy can do. There is no question in my mind that he is talented and can be a very good QB for us. He has all the tools:
1/ Quick on his feet – clearly quicker than Warner, Bulger and Kitna. His scramble out of the pocket, step up, and pass to Hill was a thing of beauty.
2/ Good pocket awareness - Stepped up on the pocket then sideway to avoid the rush, before passing to VD on the play before.
3/ Quick release - undeniably
4/ Accuracy – On every kind of throws – short, long, left, right. You name it.
5/ Leadership
Yeah, there are reasons for doubt, but there are more to be excited about.
Go JTO!
1/ Quick on his feet – clearly quicker than Warner, Bulger and Kitna. His scramble out of the pocket, step up, and pass to Hill was a thing of beauty.
2/ Good pocket awareness - Stepped up on the pocket then sideway to avoid the rush, before passing to VD on the play before.
3/ Quick release - undeniably
4/ Accuracy – On every kind of throws – short, long, left, right. You name it.
5/ Leadership
Yeah, there are reasons for doubt, but there are more to be excited about.
Go JTO!
Aug 26, 2008 at 3:36 PM
- djfullshred
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It is just time to give someone else a try. The guy outplayed Smith in TC & preseason games. There is no other choice really.
Do we continue to treat 49ers regular season games as Alex Smith's personal development plan, or do we try to win with whoever looked best in the offseason?
Do we continue to treat 49ers regular season games as Alex Smith's personal development plan, or do we try to win with whoever looked best in the offseason?
Aug 26, 2008 at 4:01 PM
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J-T-O! J-T-O! J-T-OOOOOOOO!!!
Aug 26, 2008 at 4:02 PM
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good thread joecool .its about time we called alex's bluff as being a 1st round worthy pick. thank you nolan for finally sitting him on the bench where he belongs! lets go JTO!!
Aug 26, 2008 at 4:09 PM
- sick9erfan
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I got to hand it to you guys, we could have just named Jim Sorgi starting QB and you would be just as pumped.
Here's to hoping that glass is 25% full and not 75% empty!
Here's to hoping that glass is 25% full and not 75% empty!
Aug 26, 2008 at 4:21 PM
- plinius9mm
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Positives:
- Absolute command of the offense to the smallest skilled position
- Knows how to make sure #1 is done to perfection
- Will drill Vernon in the head with a bullet throw if he keeps effing up
- Has no problem sliding in the pocket to create better passing lanes
- Has no problem making the quick throw AFTER making the shift in the pocket
- Can release from slightly different points to make the pass
- Can scramble
- Can roll out, plant, and gun a 37 yarder on a rope
- Can throw a 40 freaking yard (in the air) corner route
- Can get us 10 wins!!!!
Based on your criteria, lets see how Alex stacks up.
1) No, atleast not yet
2) Will take time
3) He is lucky if he can hit Vernon's hands in stride
4) Alex can do that
5) Nope. I wouldn't say he has the quickest delivery
6) Never seen that from Alex
7) Yes
8) Alex rolls out well, but accuracy is lacking
9) Poor accuracy
10) No, unless 1-9 can be accomplished consistently
I'm an Alex supporter but i want the best QB out there to run Martz's offense. So far JTO shows he can do that.
Aug 26, 2008 at 4:23 PM
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When Alex was doubted and he didn't do anything to step up to the plate.
But now that JTO is being doubted for being a scrub that was cut 9 times, I know he will use that as motivation.
I like that fact and hope he succeeds. I know he spread his confidence from himself to his team mates, something I never knew Alex to do either. I'm excited to see how far we can go with this guy.
But now that JTO is being doubted for being a scrub that was cut 9 times, I know he will use that as motivation.
I like that fact and hope he succeeds. I know he spread his confidence from himself to his team mates, something I never knew Alex to do either. I'm excited to see how far we can go with this guy.
Aug 26, 2008 at 4:34 PM
- LambdaChi49
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I wanted Smith to succeed to solve our QB problem for years to come but I do support JT and obviously I want him to do well because that means the team does well.
No one is above the team.
One thing is for sure...this will probably be the most interesting season and off-season to come.
So many things can happen that will change the course of the future:
-JT does very well - bye bye Smith, and our future is set for a few years at least.
-JT does very bad - Smith comes in and either a) stinks or b)lights it up and we're right back at square one next summer.
-JT plays very well, gets injured, Alex comes in and does just as well = who do you keep?
-JT does mediocre, Nolan keeps Smith on the bench despite clamor from fans and media, and we have another losing season, Smith leaves and we're left with JT O'Sullivan, Shaun Hill and a potential new draft pick = Nolan gets fired maybe mid season who knows.
-We could have a true legit #1 WR by the end of the season.
- We could make the playoffs (maybe not but could happen)
And so many more things. One thing is for sure...this season WILL NOT be boring.
No one is above the team.
One thing is for sure...this will probably be the most interesting season and off-season to come.
So many things can happen that will change the course of the future:
-JT does very well - bye bye Smith, and our future is set for a few years at least.
-JT does very bad - Smith comes in and either a) stinks or b)lights it up and we're right back at square one next summer.
-JT plays very well, gets injured, Alex comes in and does just as well = who do you keep?
-JT does mediocre, Nolan keeps Smith on the bench despite clamor from fans and media, and we have another losing season, Smith leaves and we're left with JT O'Sullivan, Shaun Hill and a potential new draft pick = Nolan gets fired maybe mid season who knows.
-We could have a true legit #1 WR by the end of the season.
- We could make the playoffs (maybe not but could happen)
And so many more things. One thing is for sure...this season WILL NOT be boring.
Aug 26, 2008 at 4:38 PM
- susweel
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JTO is cool
All the other teams messed letting him go
He has a riffle arm
He is going to be the Kurt Warner
Quick release
Has mastered the Martz playbook
If he makes it big his life would be one hell of a movie
All the other teams messed letting him go
He has a riffle arm
He is going to be the Kurt Warner
Quick release
Has mastered the Martz playbook
If he makes it big his life would be one hell of a movie
Aug 26, 2008 at 5:22 PM
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Saw this on the 49ers Paradise forum, some of the older scouting reports on JTO from before he was drafted. Keep in mind these are from back in 2002 and I'm sure JTO has developed somewhat since then through his time at various teams and NFLE.
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And another one:
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And here's what Scouts Inc had to say about him after last season:
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Height Weight 40 Grade
6'2 223 4.92 3.46
Three-year starter named a Division II All-American last season. Passing numbers as a senior were 62.8%/3,826/32/16 after leading the nation (Division II) in passing as a junior when his throwing for 64.2%/3,679/38/11.
Intelligent quarterback with excellent leadership intangibles and a feel for his position. Quick setting in the pocket, tough and stands in against the rush in order to get the pass off. Scans the field, looks off the safety and spreads the ball around to all his receivers. Displays good arm strength, zips the outs and passes have velocity. Senses pressure, gets outside the pocket to make a play on the move and gets rid of the ball rather than taking a sack. Patient in the pocket, buys time for his receivers and accurately places his throws. Must improve his footwork in the pocket as he never really sets his feet and has an unorthodox throwing motion. Starts his throwing motion from the ear and short-arms the pass. Forces the ball into coverage on occasion and really cannot drive the pass downfield. Has been accurate and very productive at a small-school but may have only marginal skills to be considered as a starter at the next level. Still, solid developmental prospect good to have on the sidelines. Mid-Sixth round.
6'2 223 4.92 3.46
Three-year starter named a Division II All-American last season. Passing numbers as a senior were 62.8%/3,826/32/16 after leading the nation (Division II) in passing as a junior when his throwing for 64.2%/3,679/38/11.
Intelligent quarterback with excellent leadership intangibles and a feel for his position. Quick setting in the pocket, tough and stands in against the rush in order to get the pass off. Scans the field, looks off the safety and spreads the ball around to all his receivers. Displays good arm strength, zips the outs and passes have velocity. Senses pressure, gets outside the pocket to make a play on the move and gets rid of the ball rather than taking a sack. Patient in the pocket, buys time for his receivers and accurately places his throws. Must improve his footwork in the pocket as he never really sets his feet and has an unorthodox throwing motion. Starts his throwing motion from the ear and short-arms the pass. Forces the ball into coverage on occasion and really cannot drive the pass downfield. Has been accurate and very productive at a small-school but may have only marginal skills to be considered as a starter at the next level. Still, solid developmental prospect good to have on the sidelines. Mid-Sixth round.
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And another one:
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QB Thomas "J.T." O’Sullivan
(6-2 1/8, 220, 4.87) California-Davis
Notes: Redshirted in 1997. Backed up Kevin Daft in ’98 and completed 2-of-5 passes for 23 yards, no touchdowns and one interception in the one game he played. Took over as the starting quarterback in ’99 and completed 176-280-2,618-21-11. Led Division II in passing efficiency in 2000, when he completed 141-226-2,648-25-7. If you include Division II playoff games in ’01, he completed 62.8 percent of his passes (255-of-406) for 3,826 yards, 32 touchdowns and 16 interceptions and ran 92 times for 371-2. Coaches call him the best quarterback ever to play at California-Davis, although Ken O’Brien was a first-round pick and a number of other Cal-Davis quarterbacks played in the NFL.
Positives: Nice size. Above-average-to-good athletic ability. Makes some nice throws. Can unload quickly. Can buy time with his feet, throw on the run and has been a pretty effective runner on this level. Has been very productive. Will often carry his team.
Negatives: Tries to do too much himself. Has a way of rubbing some of his teammates the wrong way. Is either arrogant or full of confidence in his ability. Gets away with floating a lot of passes on this level and will have to learn that he can’t do that in the NFL. Quirky delivery. Erratic throwing mechanics and inconsistent release point. At times will drop the ball down too low and use a long, circular-type delivery. Is not an accurate long passer and is inconsistent overall. At times, some of his passes seem to die on him. Temperamental. Was ejected from a game in ’01.
Summary: Has raw ability and a chance to develop if he grows up and learns to control his temper and ego.
(6-2 1/8, 220, 4.87) California-Davis
Notes: Redshirted in 1997. Backed up Kevin Daft in ’98 and completed 2-of-5 passes for 23 yards, no touchdowns and one interception in the one game he played. Took over as the starting quarterback in ’99 and completed 176-280-2,618-21-11. Led Division II in passing efficiency in 2000, when he completed 141-226-2,648-25-7. If you include Division II playoff games in ’01, he completed 62.8 percent of his passes (255-of-406) for 3,826 yards, 32 touchdowns and 16 interceptions and ran 92 times for 371-2. Coaches call him the best quarterback ever to play at California-Davis, although Ken O’Brien was a first-round pick and a number of other Cal-Davis quarterbacks played in the NFL.
Positives: Nice size. Above-average-to-good athletic ability. Makes some nice throws. Can unload quickly. Can buy time with his feet, throw on the run and has been a pretty effective runner on this level. Has been very productive. Will often carry his team.
Negatives: Tries to do too much himself. Has a way of rubbing some of his teammates the wrong way. Is either arrogant or full of confidence in his ability. Gets away with floating a lot of passes on this level and will have to learn that he can’t do that in the NFL. Quirky delivery. Erratic throwing mechanics and inconsistent release point. At times will drop the ball down too low and use a long, circular-type delivery. Is not an accurate long passer and is inconsistent overall. At times, some of his passes seem to die on him. Temperamental. Was ejected from a game in ’01.
Summary: Has raw ability and a chance to develop if he grows up and learns to control his temper and ego.
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And here's what Scouts Inc had to say about him after last season:
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You would like to have a little more height so that throwing windows would be there without a lot of movement in the pocket. He is a good athlete with good strength and he shows that he has good foot quickness [with] the ability to move in the pocket to buy time until receivers come open. He gets set up in the pocket quickly and he gets the ball out however he has a bit of a windup in his throwing motion and he needs to become more consistent in his delivery of the ball. He has decent arm strength and he gets good velocity on his short to intermediate passes however he tends to think he can get the ball into spaces where he shouldn't. He has decent accuracy with his short to intermediate passes but he needs to develop more patience in the pocket and do a better job with his pre snap reads and his overall decision making . . . he has some very good physical tools to work with and he has a chance to develop into a very solid back up in the league.
Aug 26, 2008 at 5:58 PM
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Alex has s**t mechanics and no accuracy.
J-T-O! J-T-O! J-T-OOOOOO!
J-T-O! J-T-O! J-T-OOOOOO!