The JTO WTF Statistic Tracker Thread

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by Method:
Mad Martz, wasn't JT your boy?

I think he is very talented, but he just cant hang on to the ball. The interceptions dont bother me so much. Its those 11 fumbles that kill me.

Pick 6's and Int's in the endzone don't bother you? Wow!

They dont bother me as much no. Qbs are going to throw INTs. Fumbling twice in back to back series is what really kills me.

Wow! I just lost all respect that I could of had for any of your post. The worst thing a QB can do is turn the ball over in the endzone(giving away points) or pick 6's(handing the game to the other team) and they don't bother you! That is crazy! Fumbles suck sure but making the INT's JTO did is way worse.

They dont bother me as "MUCH" as the fumbles because JT has only started 7 games and I expected the picks. If you didnt then I lost all respect for any of your post because you obviously dont know football.

Did you expect perfection from a first time starter?

Yea...I don't know football....you got it! I expected picks but the guy has been in the NFL 7 years and he had more turnovers than a rookie Alex Smith who had never spent one day in the NFL. I expect mistakes but I don't expect straight out horrible decisions where you throw into brackets or under coverage with a flat pass. It is simply unexplainable how bad the reads were on JTO's passes. He really had ZERO idea how to properly read coverage and he gave games away bc of it.

Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by Method:
Mad Martz, wasn't JT your boy?

I think he is very talented, but he just cant hang on to the ball. The interceptions dont bother me so much. Its those 11 fumbles that kill me.

Pick 6's and Int's in the endzone don't bother you? Wow!

They dont bother me as much no. Qbs are going to throw INTs. Fumbling twice in back to back series is what really kills me.

Wow! I just lost all respect that I could of had for any of your post. The worst thing a QB can do is turn the ball over in the endzone(giving away points) or pick 6's(handing the game to the other team) and they don't bother you! That is crazy! Fumbles suck sure but making the INT's JTO did is way worse.

They dont bother me as "MUCH" as the fumbles because JT has only started 7 games and I expected the picks. If you didnt then I lost all respect for any of your post because you obviously dont know football.

Did you expect perfection from a first time starter?

Yea...I don't know football....you got it! I expected picks but the guy has been in the NFL 7 years and he had more turnovers than a rookie Alex Smith who had never spent one day in the NFL. I expect mistakes but I don't expect straight out horrible decisions where you throw into brackets or under coverage with a flat pass. It is simply unexplainable how bad the reads were on JTO's passes. He really had ZERO idea how to properly read coverage and he gave games away bc of it.

I`m not arguing he didnt. But you have to expect that from a first time starter. He was on pace for about 17 TDs and 22 picks. For a first year guy that is acceptable to me. Now the 22 fumbles surely is not. That was my only point.

Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by Method:
Mad Martz, wasn't JT your boy?

I think he is very talented, but he just cant hang on to the ball. The interceptions dont bother me so much. Its those 11 fumbles that kill me.

Pick 6's and Int's in the endzone don't bother you? Wow!

They dont bother me as much no. Qbs are going to throw INTs. Fumbling twice in back to back series is what really kills me.

Wow! I just lost all respect that I could of had for any of your post. The worst thing a QB can do is turn the ball over in the endzone(giving away points) or pick 6's(handing the game to the other team) and they don't bother you! That is crazy! Fumbles suck sure but making the INT's JTO did is way worse.

They dont bother me as "MUCH" as the fumbles because JT has only started 7 games and I expected the picks. If you didnt then I lost all respect for any of your post because you obviously dont know football.

Did you expect perfection from a first time starter?

Yea...I don't know football....you got it! I expected picks but the guy has been in the NFL 7 years and he had more turnovers than a rookie Alex Smith who had never spent one day in the NFL. I expect mistakes but I don't expect straight out horrible decisions where you throw into brackets or under coverage with a flat pass. It is simply unexplainable how bad the reads were on JTO's passes. He really had ZERO idea how to properly read coverage and he gave games away bc of it.

If you're in this league for 7 years of coaching. You should know not to throw into double, triple, and quadruple coverage or fling the ball carelessly. You act like he just came out of college with no time to sit and learn. Um. He's been doing it his whole career. His first action in Detroit he fumbled 3 times and threw 2 picks in TWO QUARTERS. That's what you get with him. He's nothing more than an overhyped 3rd stringer who Coach Martz had you fooled about. Detroit fans say the EXACT same thing. Martz pumped up JTO for them, but they knew he was abominable. Fans should've known better, but Martz duped many of the feeble-minded here as well.

You can't tell me that a pile of garbage is a diamond when you're holding up that piece of garbage right in front of my face and expect me to believe you. Just as you can't expect someone to believe JTO has any "greatness" in him whatsoever after riding the bench for 7 years, and now starting played like garbage week after week. Just can't do it.

"I want WINNERS. I want people who want to win."

JTO, 2-6, Is a loser.

[ Edited by OnTheClock on Oct 27, 2008 at 21:32:19 ]

Originally posted by MadMartz:
In 7 1/2 games!!!!!

Man ,when you say it like that it just sounds horrible. 22 is way to big of a number

knew you'd come round. ; )

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by Method:
Mad Martz, wasn't JT your boy?

I think he is very talented, but he just cant hang on to the ball. The interceptions dont bother me so much. Its those 11 fumbles that kill me.

Pick 6's and Int's in the endzone don't bother you? Wow!

They dont bother me as much no. Qbs are going to throw INTs. Fumbling twice in back to back series is what really kills me.

Wow! I just lost all respect that I could of had for any of your post. The worst thing a QB can do is turn the ball over in the endzone(giving away points) or pick 6's(handing the game to the other team) and they don't bother you! That is crazy! Fumbles suck sure but making the INT's JTO did is way worse.

They dont bother me as "MUCH" as the fumbles because JT has only started 7 games and I expected the picks. If you didnt then I lost all respect for any of your post because you obviously dont know football.

Did you expect perfection from a first time starter?

Yea...I don't know football....you got it! I expected picks but the guy has been in the NFL 7 years and he had more turnovers than a rookie Alex Smith who had never spent one day in the NFL. I expect mistakes but I don't expect straight out horrible decisions where you throw into brackets or under coverage with a flat pass. It is simply unexplainable how bad the reads were on JTO's passes. He really had ZERO idea how to properly read coverage and he gave games away bc of it.

If you're in this league for 7 years of coaching. You should know not to throw into double, triple, and quadruple coverage or fling the ball carelessly. You act like he just came out of college with no time to sit and learn. Um. He's been doing it his whole career. His first action in Detroit he fumbled 3 times and threw 2 picks in TWO QUARTERS. That's what you get with him. He's nothing more than an overhyped 3rd stringer who Coach Martz had you fooled about. Detroit fans say the EXACT same thing. Martz pumped up JTO for them, but they knew he was abominable. Fans should've known better, but Martz duped many of the feeble-minded here as well.

You can't tell me that a pile of garbage is a diamond when you're holding up that piece of garbage right in front of my face and expect me to believe you. Just as you can't expect someone to believe JTO has any "greatness" in him whatsoever after riding the bench for 7 years, and now starting played like garbage week after week. Just can't do it.

"I want WINNERS. I want people who want to win."

JTO, 2-6, Is a loser.

Well you must be the greatest thing since Bill Walsh. In watching 7.5 games you have proclaimed JT "TRASH", That's just great. I bet you were saying similar things about Garcia when he took over as QB. You cant feed me your garbage after only 8 NFL starts. Just cant do it.

7 years in the NFL means you have skills. If he had none he wouldn't be on a team every year smart guy.

You cannot make an honest assessment after only 7.5 starts.

Honestly!!!


You can hate him all you want and that is fine by me. But you dont have to kick s**t my way because I choose to share a different view than you.

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by Method:
Mad Martz, wasn't JT your boy?

I think he is very talented, but he just cant hang on to the ball. The interceptions dont bother me so much. Its those 11 fumbles that kill me.

Pick 6's and Int's in the endzone don't bother you? Wow!

They dont bother me as much no. Qbs are going to throw INTs. Fumbling twice in back to back series is what really kills me.

Wow! I just lost all respect that I could of had for any of your post. The worst thing a QB can do is turn the ball over in the endzone(giving away points) or pick 6's(handing the game to the other team) and they don't bother you! That is crazy! Fumbles suck sure but making the INT's JTO did is way worse.

They dont bother me as "MUCH" as the fumbles because JT has only started 7 games and I expected the picks. If you didnt then I lost all respect for any of your post because you obviously dont know football.

Did you expect perfection from a first time starter?

Yea...I don't know football....you got it! I expected picks but the guy has been in the NFL 7 years and he had more turnovers than a rookie Alex Smith who had never spent one day in the NFL. I expect mistakes but I don't expect straight out horrible decisions where you throw into brackets or under coverage with a flat pass. It is simply unexplainable how bad the reads were on JTO's passes. He really had ZERO idea how to properly read coverage and he gave games away bc of it.

If you're in this league for 7 years of coaching. You should know not to throw into double, triple, and quadruple coverage or fling the ball carelessly. You act like he just came out of college with no time to sit and learn. Um. He's been doing it his whole career. His first action in Detroit he fumbled 3 times and threw 2 picks in TWO QUARTERS. That's what you get with him. He's nothing more than an overhyped 3rd stringer who Coach Martz had you fooled about. Detroit fans say the EXACT same thing. Martz pumped up JTO for them, but they knew he was abominable. Fans should've known better, but Martz duped many of the feeble-minded here as well.

You can't tell me that a pile of garbage is a diamond when you're holding up that piece of garbage right in front of my face and expect me to believe you. Just as you can't expect someone to believe JTO has any "greatness" in him whatsoever after riding the bench for 7 years, and now starting played like garbage week after week. Just can't do it.

"I want WINNERS. I want people who want to win."

JTO, 2-6, Is a loser.

Well you must be the greatest thing since Bill Walsh. In watching 7.5 games you have proclaimed JT "TRASH", That's just great. I bet you were saying similar things about Garcia when he took over as QB. You cant feed me your garbage after only 8 NFL starts. Just cant do it.

7 years in the NFL means you have skills. If he had none he wouldn't be on a team every year smart guy.

You cannot make an honest assessment after only 7.5 starts.

Honestly!!!


You can hate him all you want and that is fine by me. But you dont have to kick s**t my way because I choose to share a different view than you.

I might not be Bill walsh but I will agree with the SEVEN previous NFL teams(one which includes the NE patriots and we all know how they gauge talent) that JTO is worth a roster spot as all the previous teams let him go after he was done being their 2nd or 3rd stringer(he was a 3rd guy in NE) so, you may think he has talent but at least a QAURTER(how many teams have let him go) of the NFL coaches would disagree with you...

Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by Method:
Mad Martz, wasn't JT your boy?

I think he is very talented, but he just cant hang on to the ball. The interceptions dont bother me so much. Its those 11 fumbles that kill me.

Pick 6's and Int's in the endzone don't bother you? Wow!

They dont bother me as much no. Qbs are going to throw INTs. Fumbling twice in back to back series is what really kills me.

Wow! I just lost all respect that I could of had for any of your post. The worst thing a QB can do is turn the ball over in the endzone(giving away points) or pick 6's(handing the game to the other team) and they don't bother you! That is crazy! Fumbles suck sure but making the INT's JTO did is way worse.

They dont bother me as "MUCH" as the fumbles because JT has only started 7 games and I expected the picks. If you didnt then I lost all respect for any of your post because you obviously dont know football.

Did you expect perfection from a first time starter?

Yea...I don't know football....you got it! I expected picks but the guy has been in the NFL 7 years and he had more turnovers than a rookie Alex Smith who had never spent one day in the NFL. I expect mistakes but I don't expect straight out horrible decisions where you throw into brackets or under coverage with a flat pass. It is simply unexplainable how bad the reads were on JTO's passes. He really had ZERO idea how to properly read coverage and he gave games away bc of it.

If you're in this league for 7 years of coaching. You should know not to throw into double, triple, and quadruple coverage or fling the ball carelessly. You act like he just came out of college with no time to sit and learn. Um. He's been doing it his whole career. His first action in Detroit he fumbled 3 times and threw 2 picks in TWO QUARTERS. That's what you get with him. He's nothing more than an overhyped 3rd stringer who Coach Martz had you fooled about. Detroit fans say the EXACT same thing. Martz pumped up JTO for them, but they knew he was abominable. Fans should've known better, but Martz duped many of the feeble-minded here as well.

You can't tell me that a pile of garbage is a diamond when you're holding up that piece of garbage right in front of my face and expect me to believe you. Just as you can't expect someone to believe JTO has any "greatness" in him whatsoever after riding the bench for 7 years, and now starting played like garbage week after week. Just can't do it.

"I want WINNERS. I want people who want to win."

JTO, 2-6, Is a loser.

Well you must be the greatest thing since Bill Walsh. In watching 7.5 games you have proclaimed JT "TRASH", That's just great. I bet you were saying similar things about Garcia when he took over as QB. You cant feed me your garbage after only 8 NFL starts. Just cant do it.

7 years in the NFL means you have skills. If he had none he wouldn't be on a team every year smart guy.

You cannot make an honest assessment after only 7.5 starts.

Honestly!!!


You can hate him all you want and that is fine by me. But you dont have to kick s**t my way because I choose to share a different view than you.

I might not be Bill walsh but I will agree with the SEVEN previous NFL teams(one which includes the NE patriots and we all know how they gauge talent) that JTO is worth a roster spot as all the previous teams let him go after he was done being their 2nd or 3rd stringer(he was a 3rd guy in NE) so, you may think he has talent but at least a QAURTER(how many teams have let him go) of the NFL coaches would disagree with you...

What are they going to tell me? That he cant throw the ball? That would be false. Are they going to say he fumbles to much? That would be false also, the qbs dont get hit in practice. What are they going to tell me? A 3rd string QB doesnt even take snaps during the week.

By the way....

Were you guys aware that Brett Favre also has 11 picks this year? I mean after 300 years in the league you would think you wouldnt throw it in blanket or double coverage.

Food for thought since you guys are down on the picks so much.

[ Edited by MadMartz on Oct 27, 2008 at 22:13:21 ]

Originally posted by MadMartz:
By the way....

Were you guys aware that Brett Favre also has 11 picks this year?

Food for thought since you guys are down on the picks so much.

he's past his prime. Only reason he did well last season was Jennings Driver and Grant coming out of nowhere. He is doing okay in NY, but not the same Favre he used to be. Old man time catches everyone

Originally posted by 9rFan84:

Originally posted by MadMartz:
By the way....

Were you guys aware that Brett Favre also has 11 picks this year?

Food for thought since you guys are down on the picks so much.

he's past his prime. Only reason he did well last season was Jennings Driver and Grant coming out of nowhere. He is doing okay in NY, but not the same Favre he used to be. Old man time catches everyone

He is still on pace for 30 tds

Originally posted by MadMartz:
By the way....

Were you guys aware that Brett Favre also has 11 picks this year? I mean after 300 years in the league you would think you wouldnt throw it in blanket or double coverage.

Food for thought since you guys are down on the picks so much.

How many of those picks were inside the opposing teams 35 yard line or a pick 6? Why don't you look up that little stat?

You know Favre was booed, IN NEW YORK, because he was playing so s**tty last week?

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by Method:
Mad Martz, wasn't JT your boy?

I think he is very talented, but he just cant hang on to the ball. The interceptions dont bother me so much. Its those 11 fumbles that kill me.

Pick 6's and Int's in the endzone don't bother you? Wow!

They dont bother me as much no. Qbs are going to throw INTs. Fumbling twice in back to back series is what really kills me.

Wow! I just lost all respect that I could of had for any of your post. The worst thing a QB can do is turn the ball over in the endzone(giving away points) or pick 6's(handing the game to the other team) and they don't bother you! That is crazy! Fumbles suck sure but making the INT's JTO did is way worse.

They dont bother me as "MUCH" as the fumbles because JT has only started 7 games and I expected the picks. If you didnt then I lost all respect for any of your post because you obviously dont know football.

Did you expect perfection from a first time starter?

Yea...I don't know football....you got it! I expected picks but the guy has been in the NFL 7 years and he had more turnovers than a rookie Alex Smith who had never spent one day in the NFL. I expect mistakes but I don't expect straight out horrible decisions where you throw into brackets or under coverage with a flat pass. It is simply unexplainable how bad the reads were on JTO's passes. He really had ZERO idea how to properly read coverage and he gave games away bc of it.

If you're in this league for 7 years of coaching. You should know not to throw into double, triple, and quadruple coverage or fling the ball carelessly. You act like he just came out of college with no time to sit and learn. Um. He's been doing it his whole career. His first action in Detroit he fumbled 3 times and threw 2 picks in TWO QUARTERS. That's what you get with him. He's nothing more than an overhyped 3rd stringer who Coach Martz had you fooled about. Detroit fans say the EXACT same thing. Martz pumped up JTO for them, but they knew he was abominable. Fans should've known better, but Martz duped many of the feeble-minded here as well.

You can't tell me that a pile of garbage is a diamond when you're holding up that piece of garbage right in front of my face and expect me to believe you. Just as you can't expect someone to believe JTO has any "greatness" in him whatsoever after riding the bench for 7 years, and now starting played like garbage week after week. Just can't do it.

"I want WINNERS. I want people who want to win."

JTO, 2-6, Is a loser.

Well you must be the greatest thing since Bill Walsh. In watching 7.5 games you have proclaimed JT "TRASH", That's just great. I bet you were saying similar things about Garcia when he took over as QB. You cant feed me your garbage after only 8 NFL starts. Just cant do it.

7 years in the NFL means you have skills. If he had none he wouldn't be on a team every year smart guy.

You cannot make an honest assessment after only 7.5 starts.

Honestly!!!


You can hate him all you want and that is fine by me. But you dont have to kick s**t my way because I choose to share a different view than you.

I might not be Bill walsh but I will agree with the SEVEN previous NFL teams(one which includes the NE patriots and we all know how they gauge talent) that JTO is worth a roster spot as all the previous teams let him go after he was done being their 2nd or 3rd stringer(he was a 3rd guy in NE) so, you may think he has talent but at least a QAURTER(how many teams have let him go) of the NFL coaches would disagree with you...

What are they going to tell me? That he cant throw the ball? That would be false. Are they going to say he fumbles to much? That would be false also, the qbs dont get hit in practice. What are they going to tell me? A 3rd string QB doesnt even take snaps during the week.

They will tell you he isn't good enough to make their squad, which is pretty much the bottom line in the NFL?

Originally posted by Method:
You know Favre was booed, IN NEW YORK, because he was playing so s**tty last week?

It wouldnt be the first time he was booed. Ny is just cruel by the way.

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:

Originally posted by MadMartz:

Originally posted by Method:
Mad Martz, wasn't JT your boy?

I think he is very talented, but he just cant hang on to the ball. The interceptions dont bother me so much. Its those 11 fumbles that kill me.

Pick 6's and Int's in the endzone don't bother you? Wow!

They dont bother me as much no. Qbs are going to throw INTs. Fumbling twice in back to back series is what really kills me.

Wow! I just lost all respect that I could of had for any of your post. The worst thing a QB can do is turn the ball over in the endzone(giving away points) or pick 6's(handing the game to the other team) and they don't bother you! That is crazy! Fumbles suck sure but making the INT's JTO did is way worse.

They dont bother me as "MUCH" as the fumbles because JT has only started 7 games and I expected the picks. If you didnt then I lost all respect for any of your post because you obviously dont know football.

Did you expect perfection from a first time starter?

Yea...I don't know football....you got it! I expected picks but the guy has been in the NFL 7 years and he had more turnovers than a rookie Alex Smith who had never spent one day in the NFL. I expect mistakes but I don't expect straight out horrible decisions where you throw into brackets or under coverage with a flat pass. It is simply unexplainable how bad the reads were on JTO's passes. He really had ZERO idea how to properly read coverage and he gave games away bc of it.

If you're in this league for 7 years of coaching. You should know not to throw into double, triple, and quadruple coverage or fling the ball carelessly. You act like he just came out of college with no time to sit and learn. Um. He's been doing it his whole career. His first action in Detroit he fumbled 3 times and threw 2 picks in TWO QUARTERS. That's what you get with him. He's nothing more than an overhyped 3rd stringer who Coach Martz had you fooled about. Detroit fans say the EXACT same thing. Martz pumped up JTO for them, but they knew he was abominable. Fans should've known better, but Martz duped many of the feeble-minded here as well.

You can't tell me that a pile of garbage is a diamond when you're holding up that piece of garbage right in front of my face and expect me to believe you. Just as you can't expect someone to believe JTO has any "greatness" in him whatsoever after riding the bench for 7 years, and now starting played like garbage week after week. Just can't do it.

"I want WINNERS. I want people who want to win."

JTO, 2-6, Is a loser.

Well you must be the greatest thing since Bill Walsh. In watching 7.5 games you have proclaimed JT "TRASH", That's just great. I bet you were saying similar things about Garcia when he took over as QB. You cant feed me your garbage after only 8 NFL starts. Just cant do it.

7 years in the NFL means you have skills. If he had none he wouldn't be on a team every year smart guy.

You cannot make an honest assessment after only 7.5 starts.

Honestly!!!


You can hate him all you want and that is fine by me. But you dont have to kick s**t my way because I choose to share a different view than you.

Hey man, those comments weren't directed at you. That wasn't clarified. Apologies for that. When I used the word "You" -- I was referencing our OC, Martz, and his comments.

And for the record, I've made a LOT of posts about Garcia and how while I watched him play, I knew the kid had something VERY special about him. I was outraged when they started Stenstrom over him for the one game because I wanted to see Garcia start. I made a post on Garcia discussing the fact that I knew he had a LOT of talent and had tremendous success in the CFL, winning not only the Grey Cup, but won MVP of the Grey Cup and award for the best player in the league.

I loved watching Jeff play even though there were some rough games. He reminded me so much of Steve Young in that first year. Steve-o has always been my favorite player, and I felt Garcia played a very close game to his. JTO doesn't remind me of anyone but Rex Grossman. I just never saw anything special aside from some very sporadic occurrences of a good play or two.

Other than a possible misunderstanding from the way I phrased one of those paragraphs, I don't see how anything else I said could be taken as kicking crap at you. So again, apologies for any offense, none was intended.

[ Edited by OnTheClock on Oct 27, 2008 at 22:20:10 ]