Originally posted by Dshearn:Originally posted by Memphis9er:
People that think Rodgers would have done any better here than Smith makes my stomach hurt...good lord folks, can you not understand how bad the Niners were compared to the packers? Can you not understand that Rodgers was developed the right way, whereas Smith was thrown to the wolves? I know some of the Cal guys are looking at the situation through the lenses of bias for the hometown boy, but to think that Rodgers wouldn't have struggled in the same situation, or that Smith wouldn't have shined in Rodgers situation is just lacking in comprehension, reasoning, and logic.
dude
Shaun HILL HAS DONE BETTER THEN A SMITH
KEN DORSEY HAS DONE BETTER THEN A SMITH
there is not a SINGLE SEASON were MORE then 1 QB has started for the 49ers were SOME OTHER QB has NOT DONE BETTER THEN A SMITH
f**k YES , Rodgers would have done better then A Smith
SMITH SUCKS ASS
When Smith cant beat out Tim Rattay or Shaun hill to start , there is no way in HELL he could have beat out a FRANCHISE QB like A. rodgers
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Aug 30, 2009 at 2:40 PM
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Aug 30, 2009 at 7:44 PM
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Originally posted by 49ers1fan1982:^Originally posted by Dshearn:Originally posted by Memphis9er:
People that think Rodgers would have done any better here than Smith makes my stomach hurt...good lord folks, can you not understand how bad the Niners were compared to the packers? Can you not understand that Rodgers was developed the right way, whereas Smith was thrown to the wolves? I know some of the Cal guys are looking at the situation through the lenses of bias for the hometown boy, but to think that Rodgers wouldn't have struggled in the same situation, or that Smith wouldn't have shined in Rodgers situation is just lacking in comprehension, reasoning, and logic.
dude
Shaun HILL HAS DONE BETTER THEN A SMITH
KEN DORSEY HAS DONE BETTER THEN A SMITH
there is not a SINGLE SEASON were MORE then 1 QB has started for the 49ers were SOME OTHER QB has NOT DONE BETTER THEN A SMITH
f**k YES , Rodgers would have done better then A Smith
SMITH SUCKS ASS
When Smith cant beat out Tim Rattay or Shaun hill to start , there is no way in HELL he could have beat out a FRANCHISE QB like A. rodgers
in denial
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Aug 31, 2009 at 3:32 AM
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Originally posted by Dshearn:Originally posted by Memphis9er:
People that think Rodgers would have done any better here than Smith makes my stomach hurt...good lord folks, can you not understand how bad the Niners were compared to the packers? Can you not understand that Rodgers was developed the right way, whereas Smith was thrown to the wolves? I know some of the Cal guys are looking at the situation through the lenses of bias for the hometown boy, but to think that Rodgers wouldn't have struggled in the same situation, or that Smith wouldn't have shined in Rodgers situation is just lacking in comprehension, reasoning, and logic.
dude
Shaun HILL HAS DONE BETTER THEN A SMITH
KEN DORSEY HAS DONE BETTER THEN A SMITH
there is not a SINGLE SEASON were MORE then 1 QB has started for the 49ers were SOME OTHER QB has NOT DONE BETTER THEN A SMITH
f**k YES , Rodgers would have done better then A Smith
SMITH SUCKS ASS
When Smith cant beat out Tim Rattay or Shaun hill to start , there is no way in HELL he could have beat out a FRANCHISE QB like A. rodgers
[sigh]. You miss the point. Rogers wasn't a franchise qb. He was developed into a franchise qb by his club. Now, neither you nor I know if they could have done that with Smith, although I suspect they would, but one thing we can be sure of, the 49ers at that time couldn't. Not with Smith, not with Rogers.
Aug 31, 2009 at 5:48 AM
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Matt Ryan
College years 4
5/17/85
24
In year 2
NFL QB rating 87.7
Joe Flacco
College years 5
1/16/85
24
In year 2
NFL QB rating 80.3
Aaron Rodgers
College years 2
12/2/83
25
In year 5
NFL QB rating 91.8
Alex Smith
College years 1
5/7/84
25
In year 5
NFL QB rating 63.5
Bruce Gradkowski
College years 3
1/27/83
26
In year 4
NFL QB rating 59.9
Vince Young
College years 3
5/18/83
26
In year 4
NFL QB rating 68.8
It isn’t hard to figure out.
A 4th or 5th year quarterback coming out of college is more likely to produce in the NFL than one that has seen limited playing time.
Aaron Rodgers is a perfect example of drafting an underclassmen and sitting him until ready to start 2 years in college and 3 years of holding the clipboard behind Brett made all the difference in the world.
Alex Smith is a perfect example of how drafting underclassmen can go extremely bad after playing one year of college ball in an unfriendly NFL system and throwing him out when he has no clue how to react to the NFL game.
Ryan and Flacco are perfect examples of how drafting true senior college quarterback with experience to play for already sold teams will succeed.
Bottom line
If you’re going to take a college QB who has played one or two years you better be willing to him holding a clipboard until he’s ready.
If you need a starter now draft a QB with some college experience.
Nate Davis has already showed more confidence that Smith has if he sits while Hill starts he could be a solid producing NFL QB in a couple years. Smith could snap out of it but I doubt it more and more each time I see him play.
College years 4
5/17/85
24
In year 2
NFL QB rating 87.7
Joe Flacco
College years 5
1/16/85
24
In year 2
NFL QB rating 80.3
Aaron Rodgers
College years 2
12/2/83
25
In year 5
NFL QB rating 91.8
Alex Smith
College years 1
5/7/84
25
In year 5
NFL QB rating 63.5
Bruce Gradkowski
College years 3
1/27/83
26
In year 4
NFL QB rating 59.9
Vince Young
College years 3
5/18/83
26
In year 4
NFL QB rating 68.8
It isn’t hard to figure out.
A 4th or 5th year quarterback coming out of college is more likely to produce in the NFL than one that has seen limited playing time.
Aaron Rodgers is a perfect example of drafting an underclassmen and sitting him until ready to start 2 years in college and 3 years of holding the clipboard behind Brett made all the difference in the world.
Alex Smith is a perfect example of how drafting underclassmen can go extremely bad after playing one year of college ball in an unfriendly NFL system and throwing him out when he has no clue how to react to the NFL game.
Ryan and Flacco are perfect examples of how drafting true senior college quarterback with experience to play for already sold teams will succeed.
Bottom line
If you’re going to take a college QB who has played one or two years you better be willing to him holding a clipboard until he’s ready.
If you need a starter now draft a QB with some college experience.
Nate Davis has already showed more confidence that Smith has if he sits while Hill starts he could be a solid producing NFL QB in a couple years. Smith could snap out of it but I doubt it more and more each time I see him play.
Aug 31, 2009 at 6:11 AM
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Originally posted by nickbradley:Originally posted by KRS-1:Originally posted by nickbradley:Originally posted by Brazilian49er:Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
I stopped reading after "better environment is over blown.".
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I even remember reading Aaron Rodgers ADMITTING he was in a much better situation than Alex and that he probably wouldn't have the success he's had without sitting for 3 years.
Alex and Aaron are perfect examples of what should NOT be done and what SHOULD be done. It's that simple. Reverse the roles and Alex would be lighting it up and Aaron would bust.
Our mistake wasn't drafting Smith, it was hiring Nolan.
Agreed. Per Kevin Lynch:
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The old regime would never have started a quarterback in his first year, no matter how much they paid him. Bill Walsh and his protégés believed in allowing a quarterback to learn first and play later, which would have had particular application for Smith seeing as he was coming for a lower level conference and a spread offense. He also had a coach in Urban Meyer, who told the world that Smith was non-functional until he learned an offense. The 49ers of Mike Nolan paid heed to none of this and Smith might have been one of the worst quarterbacks in league history his rookie season.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ninerinsider/detail?blogid=45&entry_id=46153#ixzz0PawVCkSQ
Rodgers would have played in a rookie in the McCarthy-run west coast offense. He, without a doubt, would have played better in his rookie year and we would have never left the WCO.
Who are you Ms.Cleo ?
We still would have likely hired Turner to replace McCarthy, then gotten stuck with Hos and the list goes on.
Who exactly are you trying to convince here with all this nonsense....us or yourself ?
Cause and Effect KRS-1, Cause and Effect. Alex Smith caused us to leave the WCO because he was such a poor fit for it. No Alex Smith, we still have it.
Fail.
We went with Turner because Nolan was comfortable with him and thought he would be here a long time. He went with an OC whom has a good reputation and track record with getting results not because Smith wasn't a good fit for the WCO.
Nice try but making things up does not prove your point.