2nd Best NFL QB of All-Time?

i picked young. based on his accuracy, leadership, toughness, guts and improvisational skills, i think young is the 2nd best to our boy Montana. Marino was really boring. i didnt see unitas but i know he was great but im going off of the people ive seen. i like Manning and brady as well but i say steve is the 2nd best QB but he's 1st place as my favorite 49er

Nammath? LOL he was trash!

Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Nammath? LOL he was trash!

He did get one vote so far, so maybe the guy or girl who voted for him will state their case. Nammath played most of his career with bad knees and did lead one of the biggest upsets in Super Bowl history.

[ Edited by BobS on Aug 30, 2009 at 19:14:37 ]

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Johnny U. of those mentioned.

Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:

Originally posted by jrg:
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Marino, Brady, Manning. Probably in that order. Dan was the best pure passer of the ball, also one of the least mobile qb's!!

I loved Steve Young, but unlike some here I do remember when supporters were throwing the "deer caught in the headlights" at him. I thought he and Rrandall Cunningham were two of the best runners at the position (never saw Tarkenton) and Young had an excellent arm but his judgement was questioned by our own supporters for some time. No one questioned his heart, obviously, but had the club not assembled one of the truly great teams that year to go the whole way, I don't know if he could have taken that extra step towards greatness.

I often think of Steve Young in his early days, Jim Plunkett as well, when I read posts here writing off young qb's. Niner Talk would have dumped both of these great players before they reached their greatness.

Originally posted by krizay:
I would have to say it's between Marino and Manning for me. Peyton may very well be the best pure passer I have ever seen. One of the smartest as well. He was/is being handicapped by lack of a defense. They won it all the one year his defense actually showed up and played slightly above average.

Yea Joe has 4 superbowl rings and was cool under pressure when the game was on the line. But if Tom Brady and Terry Bradshaw doesn't get mentioned because of their superbopwl wins (on this board) Then Joe shouldn't be #1 because of his.

Peyton Manning has basically been calling/choosing his plays for his entire career. probably the most accurate passer i've ever seen. Probably the smartest too. His lack of Lombardi trophies can't be all be put on him. I wouldn't argue with anyone who said he was the best. So to answer the question at hand. I'll take peyton manning as #2.

Marino, to me, is not a top 10 QB. When you absolutely blow your biggest game, then your lack of rings is on you. The guy just isn't a winner. Sorry, no rings can't be the 2nd best. If Passer rating was the criteria then Joe wouldn't actually be #1.

One of the stupidest things for football talk is trying to compare one QB of one decade to another QB of another decade.

Young and Brady are tied

Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:

Originally posted by krizay:
I would have to say it's between Marino and Manning for me. Peyton may very well be the best pure passer I have ever seen. One of the smartest as well. He was/is being handicapped by lack of a defense. They won it all the one year his defense actually showed up and played slightly above average.

Yea Joe has 4 superbowl rings and was cool under pressure when the game was on the line. But if Tom Brady and Terry Bradshaw doesn't get mentioned because of their superbopwl wins (on this board) Then Joe shouldn't be #1 because of his.

Peyton Manning has basically been calling/choosing his plays for his entire career. probably the most accurate passer i've ever seen. Probably the smartest too. His lack of Lombardi trophies can't be all be put on him. I wouldn't argue with anyone who said he was the best. So to answer the question at hand. I'll take peyton manning as #2.

Marino, to me, is not a top 10 QB. When you absolutely blow your biggest game, then your lack of rings is on you. The guy just isn't a winner. Sorry, no rings can't be the 2nd best. If Passer rating was the criteria then Joe wouldn't actually be #1.

I don't agree that the loss was down to Marino. He threw for 29 of 50 for 318 yards, 1 TD and 2 INTs. In hindsight he was not surrounded with the best players.

But, without a Jerry Rice or a Roger Craig, he broke records and kept the Dolphins in contention. His record stands comparison with anyone.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:

Originally posted by krizay:
I would have to say it's between Marino and Manning for me. Peyton may very well be the best pure passer I have ever seen. One of the smartest as well. He was/is being handicapped by lack of a defense. They won it all the one year his defense actually showed up and played slightly above average.

Yea Joe has 4 superbowl rings and was cool under pressure when the game was on the line. But if Tom Brady and Terry Bradshaw doesn't get mentioned because of their superbopwl wins (on this board) Then Joe shouldn't be #1 because of his.

Peyton Manning has basically been calling/choosing his plays for his entire career. probably the most accurate passer i've ever seen. Probably the smartest too. His lack of Lombardi trophies can't be all be put on him. I wouldn't argue with anyone who said he was the best. So to answer the question at hand. I'll take peyton manning as #2.

Marino, to me, is not a top 10 QB. When you absolutely blow your biggest game, then your lack of rings is on you. The guy just isn't a winner. Sorry, no rings can't be the 2nd best. If Passer rating was the criteria then Joe wouldn't actually be #1.

I don't agree that the loss was down to Marino. He threw for 29 of 50 for 318 yards, 1 TD and 2 INTs. In hindsight he was not surrounded with the best players.

But, without a Jerry Rice or a Roger Craig, he broke records and kept the Dolphins in contention. His record stands comparison with anyone.

Agreed. Putting that loss on Marino is crazy. And the lack of rings argument doesn't hold up, IMO. There are 22 starters in an NFL game.

And I'm not sure that Steve Young wasn't a better QB than Montana.

I'm going with brady...

4 SB visits...3 SB Wins..2 time SB MVP. 2007 MVP and Athlete of the year, only players since Joe cool to win. Greatest Single season for a QB and the guy is still on a superbowl calibur team and only 32 years old. Plus have you seen his wife??

Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:

Originally posted by krizay:
I would have to say it's between Marino and Manning for me. Peyton may very well be the best pure passer I have ever seen. One of the smartest as well. He was/is being handicapped by lack of a defense. They won it all the one year his defense actually showed up and played slightly above average.

Yea Joe has 4 superbowl rings and was cool under pressure when the game was on the line. But if Tom Brady and Terry Bradshaw doesn't get mentioned because of their superbopwl wins (on this board) Then Joe shouldn't be #1 because of his.

Peyton Manning has basically been calling/choosing his plays for his entire career. probably the most accurate passer i've ever seen. Probably the smartest too. His lack of Lombardi trophies can't be all be put on him. I wouldn't argue with anyone who said he was the best. So to answer the question at hand. I'll take peyton manning as #2.

Marino, to me, is not a top 10 QB. When you absolutely blow your biggest game, then your lack of rings is on you. The guy just isn't a winner. Sorry, no rings can't be the 2nd best. If Passer rating was the criteria then Joe wouldn't actually be #1.

That 49er secondary he went up against was pretty damn good. He had to face them with zero running game. I wouldn't call 300 yards a choke job. Because of Montana, Clark, Francis, Craig and Tyler on offense, people forget how good that 84 defense was, you can't fault Marino for not being able to beat them by himself.

In no particular order:
Stauback & Starr were both great leaders that helped their teams to be better, but neither were outstanding pure QBs.
Tarkenton was very entertaining, but a bit erratic as a passer in my opinion. Bud Grant got the best out of him though.
Fouts, who I hated, was very, very dangerous. No lead against the Chargers was safe while he was playing. He was kind of a flake though, but a very fine passer.
Steve Young, I hate to say it, but he had a tendency to choke in the big game. On the other hand, he was probably the most athletic person to ever play QB who was also actually a good QB.
Aikman was not a particularly good QB. He was a decent leader on great teams.
Elway always seemed to be a very mediocre QB until the final couple minutes of the half or the game. I used to watch a lot of Bronco games and he would typically come out cold and then rally at the very end. Great QBs are great throughout the game, Elway wasn't.
Marino had a super quick release that always made him dangerous. Had he ever been on a team with much more than middle of the pack talent (other than 1984), he'd would have been in more Super Bowls and he would have won some of them. Bill Walsh could have won a lot of games with Marino too.

Which brings me to Johnny U and Tom Brady. Whether you want to admit it or not, they are/were both outstanding QBs and they are/were outstanding leaders. Just about any team could win a lot games with either of them. I don't know that I would say that either was the second best QB ever (it's always hard to compare), but they would be safe picks to pull out a win for you in most game situations.

[ Edited by fzrdave on Aug 31, 2009 at 12:46:22 ]