Raiders trade for Seymour | Page 3

Sep 6, 2009 at 9:53 AM

ads_2006
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remember seymour is going to play DT

raiders run a 4-3

pats of course run a 3-4

However, he is in a contract year and may put up huge numbers to get paid

Sep 6, 2009 at 9:55 AM

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interesting, pats get a top 10 pick imo

Sep 6, 2009 at 10:02 AM

#33

WheresWaldo
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Not the brightest move by the Raiders. More than likely they'll have a very high 1st round pick next season. Patriots have been making out like bandits with these trades lately.

Sep 6, 2009 at 10:23 AM

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Idiots.

Sep 6, 2009 at 10:55 AM

#35

kingairta
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WTF?

Is that report correct? It says 2011 draft pick, not 2010.

Sep 6, 2009 at 10:58 AM

#36

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Originally posted by ads_2006:
remember seymour is going to play DT

raiders run a 4-3

pats of course run a 3-4

However, he is in a contract year and may put up huge numbers to get paid

He was a 4-3 DT in college and his first 2 years in the NFL before the Pats moved to the 3-4 Defense. He still played DT in nickel situations since the move to the 3-4 base.

Originally posted by tn9er:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Wilson-Patriots-trade-Richard-Seymour-to-Raiders.html

f**kING WOW. Great f**king move by Oakland, Seymour and Ellis should certainly help that front 7 vs both the run and pass.

You're not taking into account that Seymore is in the last year of his contract, which means that the Patriots can get Seymore back next year after he realizes that "the grass isn't always greener on the other side".

The draft pick in in 2011 so the Raiders still have a 1st rounder next year and they have the option of franchising him if they can't resign him to a long term deal. At that point they could always trade him if he refuses to play for them.

Sep 6, 2009 at 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by fzrdave:
You've got to hand it to NE, they always come out on top in these types of trades. They get a potential very early first round pick from the idiots across the Bay for someone who is in his final year thus ensuring continued infusion of great young talent to their team.

That's cause there are teams stupid enough to offer these kind of deals..

-9fA

Sep 6, 2009 at 11:02 AM

#38

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Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by fzrdave:
You've got to hand it to NE, they always come out on top in these types of trades. They get a potential very early first round pick from the idiots across the Bay for someone who is in his final year thus ensuring continued infusion of great young talent to their team.

That's cause there are teams stupid enough to offer these kind of deals..
-9fA

Like ours?

Sep 6, 2009 at 11:11 AM

#39

Method
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Originally posted by 9er2k:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by fzrdave:
You've got to hand it to NE, they always come out on top in these types of trades. They get a potential very early first round pick from the idiots across the Bay for someone who is in his final year thus ensuring continued infusion of great young talent to their team.

That's cause there are teams stupid enough to offer these kind of deals..
-9fA

Like ours?

They do "come on top" usually, but their high draft picks have been questionable at best, and haven't played up to par with what they would expect from top 10 picks. It almost seems like the Patriots use a Billy Beane theory in using their high draft picks to trade down for more of them. Too bad most of those low picks have not played up to par.

Sep 6, 2009 at 11:12 AM

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Originally posted by 9er2k:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by fzrdave:
You've got to hand it to NE, they always come out on top in these types of trades. They get a potential very early first round pick from the idiots across the Bay for someone who is in his final year thus ensuring continued infusion of great young talent to their team.

That's cause there are teams stupid enough to offer these kind of deals..
-9fA

Like ours?

Btw, the Raiders don't even play a 3-4, guess it wouldn't be too big of a move bringing him into the inside. I wonder when he sees the field.

-9fA

Sep 6, 2009 at 11:25 AM

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Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by ads_2006:
remember seymour is going to play DT

raiders run a 4-3

pats of course run a 3-4

However, he is in a contract year and may put up huge numbers to get paid

He was a 4-3 DT in college and his first 2 years in the NFL before the Pats moved to the 3-4 Defense. He still played DT in nickel situations since the move to the 3-4 base.

Originally posted by tn9er:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Wilson-Patriots-trade-Richard-Seymour-to-Raiders.html

f**kING WOW. Great f**king move by Oakland, Seymour and Ellis should certainly help that front 7 vs both the run and pass.

You're not taking into account that Seymore is in the last year of his contract, which means that the Patriots can get Seymore back next year after he realizes that "the grass isn't always greener on the other side".

The draft pick in in 2011 so the Raiders still have a 1st rounder next year and they have the option of franchising him if they can't resign him to a long term deal. At that point they could always trade him if he refuses to play for them.

They can franchise if they so chose, however they can't trade a player who isn't under contract!!!

Sep 6, 2009 at 11:29 AM

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I don't understand why the Patriots would trade away Richard Seymour when they're trying to win the championship THIS YEAR.

Sure they will win out in the long term with the 1st rounder.

But it makes their team that much weaker for this season.

Sep 6, 2009 at 11:36 AM

#43

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Originally posted by tn9er:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by ads_2006:
remember seymour is going to play DT

raiders run a 4-3

pats of course run a 3-4

However, he is in a contract year and may put up huge numbers to get paid

He was a 4-3 DT in college and his first 2 years in the NFL before the Pats moved to the 3-4 Defense. He still played DT in nickel situations since the move to the 3-4 base.

Originally posted by tn9er:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Wilson-Patriots-trade-Richard-Seymour-to-Raiders.html

f**kING WOW. Great f**king move by Oakland, Seymour and Ellis should certainly help that front 7 vs both the run and pass.

You're not taking into account that Seymore is in the last year of his contract, which means that the Patriots can get Seymore back next year after he realizes that "the grass isn't always greener on the other side".

The draft pick in in 2011 so the Raiders still have a 1st rounder next year and they have the option of franchising him if they can't resign him to a long term deal. At that point they could always trade him if he refuses to play for them.

They can franchise if they so chose, however they can't trade a player who isn't under contract!!!

False

The Raiders can trade him even after he signs the tender.

See: Matt Cassel

[ Edited by crzy on Sep 6, 2009 at 11:38:02 ]

Sep 6, 2009 at 11:37 AM

#44

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Originally posted by crzy:
I don't understand why the Patriots would trade away Richard Seymour when they're trying to win the championship THIS YEAR.

Sure they will win out in the long term with the 1st rounder.

But it makes their team that much weaker for this season.

Yeah, this is where i'm at. On Defense, the Patriots now have 2 quality players in Mayo and Wilfork. Yeah there is some talent here and there, but they are significantly weaker today.

EDIT: I forgot about Thomas, but still

[ Edited by MrOrange on Sep 6, 2009 at 11:38:26 ]

Sep 6, 2009 at 11:38 AM

#45

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Originally posted by MrOrange:
Originally posted by crzy:
I don't understand why the Patriots would trade away Richard Seymour when they're trying to win the championship THIS YEAR.

Sure they will win out in the long term with the 1st rounder.

But it makes their team that much weaker for this season.

Yeah, this is where i'm at. On Defense, the Patriots now have 2 quality players in Mayo and Wilfork. Yeah there is some talent here and there, but they are significantly weaker today.

And if the Raiders can sign Seymour to a long term contract, then they got better.

I don't think this deal is as bad for the Raiders as people are thinking.