OK, having a loony bin moment...talk me out of it...Shawne Merriman? | Page 4

Oct 14, 2009 at 1:55 PM

jreff22
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Originally posted by alanbeez22:
merriman+steroids= nut case= great football player

merriman+no steroids= injurys, only a 3rd down rusher, no longer even looked at as a premier player!

merriman+ 49ers= waste of time and money for the 49ers!

yep

Oct 14, 2009 at 1:59 PM

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dhp318
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Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by alanbeez22:
merriman+steroids= nut case= great football player

merriman+no steroids= injurys, only a 3rd down rusher, no longer even looked at as a premier player!

merriman+ 49ers= waste of time and money for the 49ers!

yep

He was caught early in the 2006 season. He had 12.5 sacks in 2007 with defenses still accounting heavily for him. This guy could be had for a bargain, esp. as he's coming off of serious knee surgery, which often takes over a year to recover from. I definitely think that if we can trade Haralson and a early-mid round draft pick we should pull the trigger.

Oct 14, 2009 at 2:16 PM

#48

49erJim
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ring the bell Marvin......ding ding ding.....

Oct 14, 2009 at 2:22 PM

#49

filthydogma
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Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:
Not for a first rounder.

I dont think it would take a first rounder. I think we could get him for a second in the 2010 draft and possibly an incentive pick in 2011 based on playing time stats etc. With the way trades are popping off in the NFL these days there really is no set standard for a previously injured player, this said, we should jump on the ball the man is a beast and i for one think he has the intangibles to be a hall of famer. Just my two cents say what you will {homer} whatever.

Oct 14, 2009 at 2:25 PM

#50

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I wouldn't trade for him this year. Not when we could sign him in FA after the season AND keep all of our draft picks.

We would basically be giving up a draft pick just to have Shawne on the field this year when he's yet to prove he's the same player after the knee & steroid issues. Of course it would also ensure we'd get him (instead of letting him hit the open FA market), but its still not worth it to me.

Oct 14, 2009 at 2:28 PM

#51

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I'd take him, preferably not for a first rounder if possible. He's unhappy in San Diego, so maybe he just needs a change of scenery to get going again. Even if he isn't as good as he used to, I still think he's better than what we currently have.

Oct 14, 2009 at 2:39 PM

#52

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Originally posted by WINiner:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by alanbeez22:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
So, I'm watching NFL Total Access last night and I see that Shawne Merriman might be on the trade block.

I usually find it annoying when a guy is thought to be avaialable and somebody on the zone automatically says "hey, can we use this guy?". I NEVER thought that guy would be me.

Hear me out for a sec tho...

1) One of the 49ers biggest needs is for a dominant Pass Rusher. Merriman is still recovering from knee surgury, but moving forward he could regain his form (obviously the trade would be contingent on siging him to a long term contract).

2) Greg Manusky was the LB coach in San Diego when Wade Phillips was the DC. Manusky knows Merriman and runs the same D that SD runs.

3) The Niners have a history of ALMOST pulling off trades for players in the last year of their deals just prior to the trade deadline. They almost made a move for Lance Briggs and they almost made a move for Nate Clements (whom they ended up signing anyway in the offseason).

4) The Niners have 2 first rounders. When I heard McGloughan interviewed on KNBR after the Crabtree signing he said the 49ers have 2 first rounders "right now". At the time I thought it was odd that he phrased it that way and I thought maybe he was expecting something from the tampering case...but maybe he is anticipating a trade.

5) Merriman is also friends with Vernon Davis...they both played at Maryland.

6) A LB core of Merriman, Willis, Spikes, Lawson may be the best in the NFL.

Now...I know this may be out there (queue all naysayers and people calling to lock this thread), but doesn't this just kinda seem to make some sense?

I know there will be some who say that SD would never trade him, but he's in the last year of his deal and they don't want to give him a big $$$ contract. Some will say he's washed up and not worth it, but the guy is still in his 20's and still recovering from an injury.

If this WERE to happen, it would be stragely similar to the trade the Niners made for Fred Dean back in the day.

I know...crazy talk....please talk me out of this. ;-)
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we have other needs! ahmad brooks is finally stepping up! the front line and linebackers are playing excellent before the atlanta game! plus we have other NEEDS of improvement!

Of course we have other needs, but you don't get to choose whats available.

IMO the 49ers biggest needs are RT, OG, and Pass Rushing OLB. I don't see many RT or OG available.

QB is easily a bigger need then ANY of those positions, if only because of how hard it is to get that franchise guy. I don't think THAT guy is on our roster, and until he is, he is #1 priority imo. You don't win year in and year out with game managers behind center.

Behind what center? or guards and RT for that matter. A franchise QB isn't worth anything on his back

Oct 14, 2009 at 2:54 PM

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I wouldn't trade more than a 3rd. At this point, he still has durability concerns and he's not even a 3 down player.

I think it will be better to sign him in the offseason. What if he is not willing to sign long term?

-9fA

Oct 14, 2009 at 3:03 PM

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1) He has not played the same since tearing 2 knee ligaments.

2) The Chargers will want a kings ransom for him if he goes anywhere else.

3) He's made a huge # of questionable off the field moves lately and is becomming a real head case.

How is this Niner Talk? You're just speculating out of the sky right? Is there some confirmed trade rumor between the 49ers and Chargers?

Oct 14, 2009 at 3:13 PM

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Marvin49
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Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
1) He has not played the same since tearing 2 knee ligaments.

2) The Chargers will want a kings ransom for him if he goes anywhere else.

3) He's made a huge # of questionable off the field moves lately and is becomming a real head case.

How is this Niner Talk? You're just speculating out of the sky right? Is there some confirmed trade rumor between the 49ers and Chargers?

Of course its Niner talk...it doesn't need to be a confirmed rumor to talk about it. I don't need to hear the Niners are interested in Colt McCoy to think about the possibilities.

I could understand if there were no rumors whatsoever about Merriman being on the block, but thats not the case.

Oct 14, 2009 at 3:16 PM

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Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
1) He has not played the same since tearing 2 knee ligaments.

2) The Chargers will want a kings ransom for him if he goes anywhere else.

3) He's made a huge # of questionable off the field moves lately and is becomming a real head case.

How is this Niner Talk? You're just speculating out of the sky right? Is there some confirmed trade rumor between the 49ers and Chargers?

Of course its Niner talk...it doesn't need to be a confirmed rumor to talk about it. I don't need to hear the Niners are interested in Colt McCoy to think about the possibilities.

I could understand if there were no rumors whatsoever about Merriman being on the block, but thats not the case.

That sounds more like NFL TALK. There are no confirmed connections to the 49ers at this point. Just your speculation.

Oct 14, 2009 at 3:20 PM

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Marvin49
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Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
1) He has not played the same since tearing 2 knee ligaments.

2) The Chargers will want a kings ransom for him if he goes anywhere else.

3) He's made a huge # of questionable off the field moves lately and is becomming a real head case.

How is this Niner Talk? You're just speculating out of the sky right? Is there some confirmed trade rumor between the 49ers and Chargers?

Of course its Niner talk...it doesn't need to be a confirmed rumor to talk about it. I don't need to hear the Niners are interested in Colt McCoy to think about the possibilities.

I could understand if there were no rumors whatsoever about Merriman being on the block, but thats not the case.

That sounds more like NFL TALK. There are no confirmed connections to the 49ers at this point. Just your speculation.