Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
Manning is the best all around QB IMO.
Based on what criteria?
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Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
Manning is the best all around QB IMO.
Originally posted by Psinex:
I don't think you can say that either Manning or Brady can be compared to Joe Montana. They could be compared to someone like Elway or Marino, but Montana was a winner, plain and simple. When Manning or Brady have 3 Superbowl rings, we can have that conversation.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:Originally posted by Psinex:
I don't think you can say that either Manning or Brady can be compared to Joe Montana. They could be compared to someone like Elway or Marino, but Montana was a winner, plain and simple. When Manning or Brady have 3 Superbowl rings, we can have that conversation.
Montana was PRE SALARY CAP ERA. And he had EDDIE D. Eddie D. would routinely spend the most money year in and year out to field by far the most talented team in all of football. Montana was great but he had one hell of a team surrounding him and the best organization in all of sports as well.
Montana always had great O LINES, WR's, TE, RB, and Defenses holding down the other team.
Don't get me wrong he was great but he really had a heck of a lot of factors in his favor as well. He was in a great situation.
Originally posted by danimal:Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
Manning is the best all around QB IMO.
I think he is too cerebral. He controls environments well, but in a pure chaos situation he gets overwhelmed.
Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
Manning is the best all around QB IMO.
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Originally posted by SanDiego49er:Originally posted by Psinex:
I don't think you can say that either Manning or Brady can be compared to Joe Montana. They could be compared to someone like Elway or Marino, but Montana was a winner, plain and simple. When Manning or Brady have 3 Superbowl rings, we can have that conversation.
Montana was PRE SALARY CAP ERA. And he had EDDIE D. Eddie D. would routinely spend the most money year in and year out to field by far the most talented team in all of football. Montana was great but he had one hell of a team surrounding him and the best organization in all of sports as well.
Montana always had great O LINES, WR's, TE, RB, and Defenses holding down the other team.
Don't get me wrong he was great but he really had a heck of a lot of factors in his favor as well. He was in a great situation.
Originally posted by pantstickle:
Too much emphasis/blame is put on a quarterback when a team wins/loses.
Yes, Joe is the greatest of all time, but don't you think Peyton would have won at least 3 with our Niners? He's not exactly a chump.
Originally posted by pantstickle:
Too much emphasis/blame is put on a quarterback when a team wins/loses.
Yes, Joe is the greatest of all time, but don't you think Peyton would have won at least 3 with our Niners? He's not exactly a chump.
Originally posted by Rivers77:Originally posted by SanDiego49er:Originally posted by Psinex:
I don't think you can say that either Manning or Brady can be compared to Joe Montana. They could be compared to someone like Elway or Marino, but Montana was a winner, plain and simple. When Manning or Brady have 3 Superbowl rings, we can have that conversation.
Montana was PRE SALARY CAP ERA. And he had EDDIE D. Eddie D. would routinely spend the most money year in and year out to field by far the most talented team in all of football. Montana was great but he had one hell of a team surrounding him and the best organization in all of sports as well.
Montana always had great O LINES, WR's, TE, RB, and Defenses holding down the other team.
Don't get me wrong he was great but he really had a heck of a lot of factors in his favor as well. He was in a great situation.
Because Brady and Manning have it so tough.
Originally posted by pantstickle:
Too much emphasis/blame is put on a quarterback when a team wins/loses.
Yes, Joe is the greatest of all time, but don't you think Peyton would have won at least 3 with our Niners? He's not exactly a chump.
Originally posted by geturembedder:Originally posted by Rivers77:Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
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Montana was PRE SALARY CAP ERA. And he had EDDIE D. Eddie D. would routinely spend the most money year in and year out to field by far the most talented team in all of football. Montana was great but he had one hell of a team surrounding him and the best organization in all of sports as well.
Montana always had great O LINES, WR's, TE, RB, and Defenses holding down the other team.
Don't get me wrong he was great but he really had a heck of a lot of factors in his favor as well. He was in a great situation.
Because Brady and Manning have it so tough.
Brady won his first with a severely limited offense around him, his third with a defense that was so decimated by injury they had Troy Brown playing Nickel. If we look at which QB's won with the least amount of talent, it has to be Brady.
That said, the amount of super powered teams that were around in the eighties demolishes what the Pats and Colts have to deal with, which is usually just each other.
And to be real, if it wasn't for Belichick, Montana would have won a few more rings.
Montana at crunch time was unreal. Brady however, is the only QB I have seen who can raise the play of absolute scrubs the way he can. Even more than Montana could.
Originally posted by Rivers77:Originally posted by pantstickle:
Too much emphasis/blame is put on a quarterback when a team wins/loses.
Yes, Joe is the greatest of all time, but don't you think Peyton would have won at least 3 with our Niners? He's not exactly a chump.
But how can you say that based on Manning's stats in the playoffs? He doesn't get better and tends to crumple in big games. Montana is the opposite in big games.