Tim Ruskell as GM or VP?

just what we need, another Seahawks GM

Originally posted by Icedawg316:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Is this a joke AB? I really don't know too much about this guys' track record. and two thumbs down on Holmgren and Shanahan.

Its not a joke the teams drafts and free agent signings really improved after Ruskell took over and the team made the SB with him as GM not Holmgren..the guy is being pushed out, and asides from last years 4-12 mark (imo because Holmgren knew he was taking a walk, his effort def. wasn't there for 2008) the Seahawks for the past number of years have been a very solid NFC team

yeah because of him Shaun Alexander rushed for 1800 yards 27 touchdowns, yup Ruskell made that happen that guy is a genius lets hire him

Originally posted by Icedawg316:

Originally posted by Zagnut:

Originally posted by Icedawg316:
I would seriously consider it..Holmgren was stripped of his GM duties and the team did much better & made it to a Super Bowl with Ruskell taking control of the team's front office. I don't know why some people are so hot on guys like Holmgren and Shanahan, I don't think their next steps will be nearly as successful as where they had previously coached.

Holmgren built up that team, but the workload hurt his performance as a coach. Ruskell came in as the team was poised to make a run. Then they started to go down hill when his disitions kicked in.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/283928-tim-ruskell-or-mike-holmgren-for-seattle-seahawks-theyre-both-average

Ruskell made some great picks for the teams defense and actually I think would be an upgrade for our front office

Really? A link to bleach report don't mean squat. Please list these great picks. In fact, maybe list all his draft picks so we can determine the good vs bad picks. Thanks in advance.

Originally posted by Icedawg316:

Originally posted by Zagnut:

Originally posted by Icedawg316:
I would seriously consider it..Holmgren was stripped of his GM duties and the team did much better & made it to a Super Bowl with Ruskell taking control of the team's front office. I don't know why some people are so hot on guys like Holmgren and Shanahan, I don't think their next steps will be nearly as successful as where they had previously coached.

Holmgren built up that team, but the workload hurt his performance as a coach. Ruskell came in as the team was poised to make a run. Then they started to go down hill when his disitions kicked in.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/283928-tim-ruskell-or-mike-holmgren-for-seattle-seahawks-theyre-both-average

Ruskell made some great picks for the teams defense and actually I think would be an upgrade for our front office

Those picks were made the year they went to the SB though so they really had no effect. In fact, it could be argued that Holmgren focusing only on coaching is what put the Seahawks over the top and allowed them to dominate that year.

I would pass on Ruskell - he lost arguable one of the best o-linemen in the league in Hutchinson (a Holmgren pick mind you) and he gave Shaun Alexander a huge contract way too late in his career. The Nines don't need this kind of GM'ing - this is Terry Donahue-ish.

Originally posted by kronik:

Originally posted by Icedawg316:

Originally posted by Zagnut:

Originally posted by Icedawg316:
I would seriously consider it..Holmgren was stripped of his GM duties and the team did much better & made it to a Super Bowl with Ruskell taking control of the team's front office. I don't know why some people are so hot on guys like Holmgren and Shanahan, I don't think their next steps will be nearly as successful as where they had previously coached.

Holmgren built up that team, but the workload hurt his performance as a coach. Ruskell came in as the team was poised to make a run. Then they started to go down hill when his disitions kicked in.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/283928-tim-ruskell-or-mike-holmgren-for-seattle-seahawks-theyre-both-average

Ruskell made some great picks for the teams defense and actually I think would be an upgrade for our front office

Really? A link to bleach report don't mean squat. Please list these great picks. In fact, maybe list all his draft picks so we can determine the good vs bad picks. Thanks in advance.

2005
1 26(26) Chris Spencer OC Mississippi
2 13(45) Lofa Tatupu LB USC
3 21(85) David Greene QB Georgia
3 34(98) LeRoy Hill LB Clemson
4 4(105) Ray Willis OT Florida State
5 23(159) Jeb Huckeba DE Arkansas
6 22(196) Tony Jackson RB Iowa
7 21(235) Cornelius Wortham LB Alabama
7 40(254) Doug Nienhuis OG Oregon State

2006
1 31(31) Kelly Jennings DB Miami (FL)
2 31(63) Darryl Tapp DE Virginia Tech
4 31(128) Rob Sims OG Ohio State
5 30(163) David Kirtman RB USC
7 31(239) Ryan Plackemeier PT Wake Forest
7 41(249) Ben Obomanu WR Auburn

2007
2 23(55) Josh Wilson DB Maryland
3 21(85) Brandon Mebane DT California
4 21(120) Baraka Atkins DE Miami (FL)
4 25(124) Mansfield Wrotto OG Georgia Tech
from N.Y. Jets through San Francisco
5 24(161) Will Herring LB Auburn
6 23(197) Courtney Taylor WR Auburn
6 36(210) Jordan Kent WR Oregon
7 22(232) Steve Vallos OG Wake Forest

2008
1 28(28) Seahawks Lawrence Jackson DE USC
2 7(38) Seahawks John Carlson TE Notre Dame
4 22(121) Seahawks Red Bryant DT Texas A&M
5 28(163) Seahawks Owen Schmitt FB West Virginia
6 23(189) Seahawks Tyler Schmitt LS San Diego State
7 26(233) Seahawks Justin Forsett RB California
7 28(235) Seahawks Brandon Coutu PK Georgia

2009
1 4(4) Seahawks Aaron Curry OLB Wake Forest
2 17(49) Seahawks Max Unger C Oregon
3 27(91) Seahawks Deon Butler WR Penn State
6 5(178) Seahawks Mike Teel QB Rutgers
7 36(245) Seahawks Courtney Greene S Rutgers
7 38(247) Seahawks Nick Reed DE Oregon
7 39(248) Seahawks Cameron Morrah TE California

No thanks. Holmgren is the reason they won anything. He coached up Hasselbeck in the Walsh system like he did Favre and got lucky with Alexander having a good few seasons behind a better than average Oline. They were always mediocre at WR, they won because of scheme more than talent, esp the talent Ruskell acquired.

Originally posted by TX9R:
No thanks. Holmgren is the reason they won anything. He coached up Hasselbeck in the Walsh system like he did Favre and got lucky with Alexander having a good few seasons behind a better than average Oline. They were always mediocre at WR, they won because of scheme more than talent, esp the talent Ruskell acquired.

Shouldn't this be in NFL talk....

Originally posted by mullintrax:
Shouldn't this be in NFL talk....

this should be burned and buried never to be seen again

Uhh, no. The Seahawks have gone completely backwards over the past few years. And they seem to always be hit by injuries to their aging key players. I like what we have now and don't want him making decisions for the team.

He was basically fired. He resigned because the Seahawks weren't going to offer him a new contract. His track record ( draft picks, free agent signings) is not good. Only Tatupu of his 5 draft classes has made the Pro Bowl. His biggest mistake was letting Steve Hutchison get away. Seahawks are headed in the wrong direction and he had to go. It is the right move for the Seahawks.

No way we want him working for the 49ers!!!

Wow AB. I thought you were a better poster than this. Maybe you should look into that hiatus that you threatened.

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Icedawg316:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Is this a joke AB? I really don't know too much about this guys' track record. and two thumbs down on Holmgren and Shanahan.

Its not a joke the teams drafts and free agent signings really improved after Ruskell took over and the team made the SB with him as GM not Holmgren..the guy is being pushed out, and asides from last years 4-12 mark (imo because Holmgren knew he was taking a walk, his effort def. wasn't there for 2008) the Seahawks for the past number of years have been a very solid NFC team

yeah because of him Shaun Alexander rushed for 1800 yards 27 touchdowns, yup Ruskell made that happen that guy is a genius lets hire him

The Seahwks have gotten worse every year since Ruskell arrived. He didn't draft Alexander, but he was the guy that gave him the big contracta and 2 years later Alexander was out of the league. He is also the guy that let Hutchison walk when they could have franchised him. He also traded a #1 to the Pats for Deion Branch, who has done almost nothing for the team. His drafting track record is not that good either, you can look it up.

Originally posted by DaveWilcox:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Icedawg316:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Is this a joke AB? I really don't know too much about this guys' track record. and two thumbs down on Holmgren and Shanahan.

Its not a joke the teams drafts and free agent signings really improved after Ruskell took over and the team made the SB with him as GM not Holmgren..the guy is being pushed out, and asides from last years 4-12 mark (imo because Holmgren knew he was taking a walk, his effort def. wasn't there for 2008) the Seahawks for the past number of years have been a very solid NFC team

yeah because of him Shaun Alexander rushed for 1800 yards 27 touchdowns, yup Ruskell made that happen that guy is a genius lets hire him

The Seahwks have gotten worse every year since Ruskell arrived. He didn't draft Alexander, but he was the guy that gave him the big contract. @ year later Alexander was out of the league. He is also the guy that let Hutchison walk when they could have franchised him. He also traded a #1 to the Pats for Deion Branch, who has done almost nothing for the team. His drafting track record is not that good either, you can look it up.

i agree

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by kronik:

Originally posted by Icedawg316:

Originally posted by Zagnut:

Originally posted by Icedawg316:
I would seriously consider it..Holmgren was stripped of his GM duties and the team did much better & made it to a Super Bowl with Ruskell taking control of the team's front office. I don't know why some people are so hot on guys like Holmgren and Shanahan, I don't think their next steps will be nearly as successful as where they had previously coached.

Holmgren built up that team, but the workload hurt his performance as a coach. Ruskell came in as the team was poised to make a run. Then they started to go down hill when his disitions kicked in.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/283928-tim-ruskell-or-mike-holmgren-for-seattle-seahawks-theyre-both-average

Ruskell made some great picks for the teams defense and actually I think would be an upgrade for our front office

Really? A link to bleach report don't mean squat. Please list these great picks. In fact, maybe list all his draft picks so we can determine the good vs bad picks. Thanks in advance.

2005
1 26(26) Chris Spencer OC Mississippi
2 13(45) Lofa Tatupu LB USC
3 21(85) David Greene QB Georgia
3 34(98) LeRoy Hill LB Clemson
4 4(105) Ray Willis OT Florida State
5 23(159) Jeb Huckeba DE Arkansas
6 22(196) Tony Jackson RB Iowa
7 21(235) Cornelius Wortham LB Alabama
7 40(254) Doug Nienhuis OG Oregon State

2006
1 31(31) Kelly Jennings DB Miami (FL)
2 31(63) Darryl Tapp DE Virginia Tech
4 31(128) Rob Sims OG Ohio State
5 30(163) David Kirtman RB USC
7 31(239) Ryan Plackemeier PT Wake Forest
7 41(249) Ben Obomanu WR Auburn

2007
2 23(55) Josh Wilson DB Maryland
3 21(85) Brandon Mebane DT California
4 21(120) Baraka Atkins DE Miami (FL)
4 25(124) Mansfield Wrotto OG Georgia Tech
from N.Y. Jets through San Francisco
5 24(161) Will Herring LB Auburn
6 23(197) Courtney Taylor WR Auburn
6 36(210) Jordan Kent WR Oregon
7 22(232) Steve Vallos OG Wake Forest

2008
1 28(28) Seahawks Lawrence Jackson DE USC
2 7(38) Seahawks John Carlson TE Notre Dame
4 22(121) Seahawks Red Bryant DT Texas A&M
5 28(163) Seahawks Owen Schmitt FB West Virginia
6 23(189) Seahawks Tyler Schmitt LS San Diego State
7 26(233) Seahawks Justin Forsett RB California
7 28(235) Seahawks Brandon Coutu PK Georgia

2009
1 4(4) Seahawks Aaron Curry OLB Wake Forest
2 17(49) Seahawks Max Unger C Oregon
3 27(91) Seahawks Deon Butler WR Penn State
6 5(178) Seahawks Mike Teel QB Rutgers
7 36(245) Seahawks Courtney Greene S Rutgers
7 38(247) Seahawks Nick Reed DE Oregon
7 39(248) Seahawks Cameron Morrah TE California

Thanks for the info. May I ask where u find info like this? I would like to use your source to look up draft picks from other GM's as well.

As for these picks from Ruskell, I see the following good picks:

Carlson 2008 (2nd round)
Forsett 2008 (7th round)
Mebane 2007 (3rd round)
Schmitt 2008 (5th round)

I am iffy on Tatupu due to his decline even before his latest injuries. Same with Tapp.

Notice the results on their 1st round picks. The jury is still out for Curry and the rest of the 2009 draft, but the previous years are pretty much disappointments/busts.

Another question: Was it Ruskell or Holmgren that traded their multiple picks (don't remember how many 1st rders) for Branch?