OFFICIAL Blaine Gabbert Thread

Worst possible pick is Gabbert at 7.

Christ, the guy only threw 16 TD's in a pass happy spread offense. He never read defenses, isn't the most accurate guy, and has never been under center.

Not saying he'll be bad, but with all the teams needing QB's his stock got a boost by default. If Luck was in this draft we wouldnt be talking about this guy.

Originally posted by DesiDez:

Originally posted by fakers23:
To those that do like Gabbert.. Just remeber 1 name. McNabb.. He was hated by Philly when picked also.. Just saying...

He also took Philly to 4 NFC championship games, and 1 SB, and went to multiple pro bowls- so I would say Andy Reid > Philly fans.

How is Gabbert in any way, shape, or form comparable to McNabb as a draft prospect?

The Dolphin fans hated the Ted Ginn pick. And guess what? He was a terrible pick, and the fans were right.

Fans booing the pick doesn't mean that the player is going to be a secret steal, just as it doesn't mean they are going to bust like in the case with Kevin Kolb and Eagles fans--but as the poster said, Andy Reid is just a great evaluator of talent (see McNabb, Hasselbeck, and Kolb).

no QB is worth a top 10 pick this year, IMO. Trade back, maybe. I still want a CB.

Originally posted by Eskendale:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by comeatmebrah:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Harbaugh can make a pro bowler out of many QBs.

No need to invest 7th overall and millions.

Harbaugh has been on point with grading QBs in later rounds to actually be better.

Those guys don't exist every year and the guy who you invest millions into is going to have a higher upside than the mid round find almost every time. The success rate of the 1st round QB is much higher than that of the mid round QB and we don't know if Harbaugh can make a PB'er out of many QB's....he hasn't made one into a PB'er so we shouldn't crown his ass just yet (and if you don't believe me ask Dennis Green). We have a one year example of Harbaugh grading QB's and we only know of but a few QB grades from that class so it's hard to tell how good he truly is, but all signs point to him being good.

Do you view Gabbert as a true 1st round talent? Or do you think he is just the beneficiary of a weak draft class with lots of teams needing QB's? I agree with everything you said there btw. Not really sure why I'm asking you but I haven't gone to sleep so w.e.

Yes. I think in a stronger class he wouldn't be a top 10 pick...he'd likely fit in the 10-20 range.

Gabbert's 1st and 2nd year stats at Mizzou are actually very comparable and similar to those of Big Ben in his first 2 years starting at Miami. There games are different but statistically they are not that different, and Big Ben is also walking proof of an NFL QB who doesn't post big time numbers for a QB year in year out, however I think Gabbert is capable of posting better numbers with a better supporting cast (his cast was better in 09 and so were his TD numbers and this year he improved his completion %).

Another QB who didn't post eye popping numbers in college, Josh Freeman. So the whole 16 TD thing is overblown as is the "he came from a spread offense" because so did Sam Bradford & Tim Tebow as will many more QB's in the coming years. We can't get cold feet on taking a 1st round QB who isn't named Andrew Luck or has the hype and buzz that Luck has or on taking a 1st round QB because he played in a spread offense because many more QB's will be coming to the pro's from a spread...

Purely on statistics, you're looking at a 3-year college starter in Ben versus a 2-year started in Gabbert. The former progressed and threw 15 more TDs for 1200 more yards and 1 less pick moving from his sophomore year to junior year, whereas the latter REGRESSED and threw 8 less TDs for about 500 less yards. There simply is no comparison between the two, and if someone would like to say the numbers are taken out of context, there was absolutely no context provided for the original point that the two are similar just because of their first two years.

Besides, as Tuna and Baalke said, you have to look at the film and the games, not just stats.

Furthermore, you're comparing Blaine Gabbert to a QB who has been in 3 superbowls. We could play the statistics game, and I could find other QBs with mediocre stats who can't hold a candle to Ben's greatness.

Although I'm neither an expert on either of their college careers, I do know that GMs and scouts put a lot of stock into players who had longer college careers and consistently showed improvement. Gabbert has too many question marks for someone who had only two starting years and a year of regression / mediocrity (comparing his final year of 16 TDs / 8 int 3100 yards to Ben's of 37 TDs / 10 int 4500 yards).

I was comparing there first 2 years as starters, not their sophomore and junior years. And comparing the fact that 16 TD's in a college season, regardless of the offense doesn't mean that he doesn't have all the tools to be a successful pro QB.

Fact is he had less talent surrounding him from year 1 to year 2. Tim Tebow went from back to back 30 TD seasons at Florida to 21 as a senior, and as a senior he lost Murphy and Harvin. He too as we all know played in a spread.

Again the 16 TD's in a spread offense complaint is overblown.

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by Eskendale:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by comeatmebrah:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Harbaugh can make a pro bowler out of many QBs.

No need to invest 7th overall and millions.

Harbaugh has been on point with grading QBs in later rounds to actually be better.

Those guys don't exist every year and the guy who you invest millions into is going to have a higher upside than the mid round find almost every time. The success rate of the 1st round QB is much higher than that of the mid round QB and we don't know if Harbaugh can make a PB'er out of many QB's....he hasn't made one into a PB'er so we shouldn't crown his ass just yet (and if you don't believe me ask Dennis Green). We have a one year example of Harbaugh grading QB's and we only know of but a few QB grades from that class so it's hard to tell how good he truly is, but all signs point to him being good.

Do you view Gabbert as a true 1st round talent? Or do you think he is just the beneficiary of a weak draft class with lots of teams needing QB's? I agree with everything you said there btw. Not really sure why I'm asking you but I haven't gone to sleep so w.e.

Yes. I think in a stronger class he wouldn't be a top 10 pick...he'd likely fit in the 10-20 range.

Gabbert's 1st and 2nd year stats at Mizzou are actually very comparable and similar to those of Big Ben in his first 2 years starting at Miami. There games are different but statistically they are not that different, and Big Ben is also walking proof of an NFL QB who doesn't post big time numbers for a QB year in year out, however I think Gabbert is capable of posting better numbers with a better supporting cast (his cast was better in 09 and so were his TD numbers and this year he improved his completion %).

Another QB who didn't post eye popping numbers in college, Josh Freeman. So the whole 16 TD thing is overblown as is the "he came from a spread offense" because so did Sam Bradford & Tim Tebow as will many more QB's in the coming years. We can't get cold feet on taking a 1st round QB who isn't named Andrew Luck or has the hype and buzz that Luck has or on taking a 1st round QB because he played in a spread offense because many more QB's will be coming to the pro's from a spread...

Purely on statistics, you're looking at a 3-year college starter in Ben versus a 2-year started in Gabbert. The former progressed and threw 15 more TDs for 1200 more yards and 1 less pick moving from his sophomore year to junior year, whereas the latter REGRESSED and threw 8 less TDs for about 500 less yards. There simply is no comparison between the two, and if someone would like to say the numbers are taken out of context, there was absolutely no context provided for the original point that the two are similar just because of their first two years.

Besides, as Tuna and Baalke said, you have to look at the film and the games, not just stats.

Furthermore, you're comparing Blaine Gabbert to a QB who has been in 3 superbowls. We could play the statistics game, and I could find other QBs with mediocre stats who can't hold a candle to Ben's greatness.

Although I'm neither an expert on either of their college careers, I do know that GMs and scouts put a lot of stock into players who had longer college careers and consistently showed improvement. Gabbert has too many question marks for someone who had only two starting years and a year of regression / mediocrity (comparing his final year of 16 TDs / 8 int 3100 yards to Ben's of 37 TDs / 10 int 4500 yards).

I was comparing there first 2 years as starters, not their sophomore and junior years. And comparing the fact that 16 TD's in a college season, regardless of the offense doesn't mean that he doesn't have all the tools to be a successful pro QB.

Fact is he had less talent surrounding him from year 1 to year 2. Tim Tebow went from back to back 30 TD seasons at Florida to 21 as a senior, and as a senior he lost Murphy and Harvin. He too as we all know played in a spread.

Again the 16 TD's in a spread offense complaint is overblown.

rightfully so

not to mention 6 yard passsing acerage thats worse than alex and thats in college

Originally posted by fakers23:

Originally posted by DesiDez:
I'll trust whoever Harbaugh picks in the draft.

that being said, I've always been on the Gabbert bandwagon. I knew back in October that Gabbert had 1st rd potential. (search the forums, if you don't believe)

I personally think #7 is too high for him but if they want him, then they have to reach a little because I doubt Tenn, Wash, Minny, and Miami all pass on him.

I'm not really concerned about the spread offense. Talent supercedes any system. Talent will function well in ANY system. Talented football players will figure out how to play well. Brees, Roethlisberger, Flacco, Bradford, Freeman all came from spread offenses. That's just the trend in college FBall.

I've narrowed down my top 2 QB preferences to Gabbert and Kaepernick. Thought I still like Dalton and Ponder in the 2nd rd

The bust rate though for 2nd rd QBs is much much higher than 1st rd QBs.

You can sense the fear Alex Smith fans have when ANOTHER QB is discussed. LOL.

Lmao, I do get the sense Alex fans are worried. If they take a QB at 7.. They will need a new home..

What are you two talking about? I dont know any fan here who is a Alex Smith fan rather than a 49ers fan. What happens is that that fans either believe that Smith can do it for us or they dont. But people personalising it like this and implying that posters are reacting this way is pure BS. And as far as I am concerned you are both trying to inflame the situation.

I did think that this place had got past the Pro-Smith Anti-Smith childishness which has dragged on for an age. Sadly not.

This is the draft. Whoever we take gets my support. And whether Smith plays for us next year or not, this is still the team I support.

Enough.

Originally posted by jrg:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by jrg:

Originally posted by jrg:
DRAFT BLAINE GABBERT!!

Originally posted by jrg:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by jrg:

Originally posted by jrg:
DRAFT BLAINE GABBERT!!

Originally posted by jrg:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by jrg:

Originally posted by jrg:
DRAFT BLAINE GABBERT!!

Originally posted by jrg:

Originally posted by jrg:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by jrg:

Originally posted by jrg:
DRAFT BLAINE GABBERT!!

I can understand picking Gabbert. Do I or any of us know how he will do in the NFL? No.

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by Eskendale:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by comeatmebrah:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Harbaugh can make a pro bowler out of many QBs.

No need to invest 7th overall and millions.

Harbaugh has been on point with grading QBs in later rounds to actually be better.

Those guys don't exist every year and the guy who you invest millions into is going to have a higher upside than the mid round find almost every time. The success rate of the 1st round QB is much higher than that of the mid round QB and we don't know if Harbaugh can make a PB'er out of many QB's....he hasn't made one into a PB'er so we shouldn't crown his ass just yet (and if you don't believe me ask Dennis Green). We have a one year example of Harbaugh grading QB's and we only know of but a few QB grades from that class so it's hard to tell how good he truly is, but all signs point to him being good.

Do you view Gabbert as a true 1st round talent? Or do you think he is just the beneficiary of a weak draft class with lots of teams needing QB's? I agree with everything you said there btw. Not really sure why I'm asking you but I haven't gone to sleep so w.e.

Yes. I think in a stronger class he wouldn't be a top 10 pick...he'd likely fit in the 10-20 range.

Gabbert's 1st and 2nd year stats at Mizzou are actually very comparable and similar to those of Big Ben in his first 2 years starting at Miami. There games are different but statistically they are not that different, and Big Ben is also walking proof of an NFL QB who doesn't post big time numbers for a QB year in year out, however I think Gabbert is capable of posting better numbers with a better supporting cast (his cast was better in 09 and so were his TD numbers and this year he improved his completion %).

Another QB who didn't post eye popping numbers in college, Josh Freeman. So the whole 16 TD thing is overblown as is the "he came from a spread offense" because so did Sam Bradford & Tim Tebow as will many more QB's in the coming years. We can't get cold feet on taking a 1st round QB who isn't named Andrew Luck or has the hype and buzz that Luck has or on taking a 1st round QB because he played in a spread offense because many more QB's will be coming to the pro's from a spread...

Purely on statistics, you're looking at a 3-year college starter in Ben versus a 2-year started in Gabbert. The former progressed and threw 15 more TDs for 1200 more yards and 1 less pick moving from his sophomore year to junior year, whereas the latter REGRESSED and threw 8 less TDs for about 500 less yards. There simply is no comparison between the two, and if someone would like to say the numbers are taken out of context, there was absolutely no context provided for the original point that the two are similar just because of their first two years.

Besides, as Tuna and Baalke said, you have to look at the film and the games, not just stats.

Furthermore, you're comparing Blaine Gabbert to a QB who has been in 3 superbowls. We could play the statistics game, and I could find other QBs with mediocre stats who can't hold a candle to Ben's greatness.

Although I'm neither an expert on either of their college careers, I do know that GMs and scouts put a lot of stock into players who had longer college careers and consistently showed improvement. Gabbert has too many question marks for someone who had only two starting years and a year of regression / mediocrity (comparing his final year of 16 TDs / 8 int 3100 yards to Ben's of 37 TDs / 10 int 4500 yards).

I was comparing there first 2 years as starters, not their sophomore and junior years. And comparing the fact that 16 TD's in a college season, regardless of the offense doesn't mean that he doesn't have all the tools to be a successful pro QB.

Fact is he had less talent surrounding him from year 1 to year 2. Tim Tebow went from back to back 30 TD seasons at Florida to 21 as a senior, and as a senior he lost Murphy and Harvin. He too as we all know played in a spread.

Again the 16 TD's in a spread offense complaint is overblown.

rightfully so

not to mention 6 yard passsing acerage thats worse than alex and thats in college

6.71 ypa this year as a junior, yup.

Matt Ryan 6.89 & 6.92 as a junior and senior.

I can understand taking Gabbert and won't be pissed off.

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by Eskendale:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by comeatmebrah:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Harbaugh can make a pro bowler out of many QBs.

No need to invest 7th overall and millions.

Harbaugh has been on point with grading QBs in later rounds to actually be better.

Those guys don't exist every year and the guy who you invest millions into is going to have a higher upside than the mid round find almost every time. The success rate of the 1st round QB is much higher than that of the mid round QB and we don't know if Harbaugh can make a PB'er out of many QB's....he hasn't made one into a PB'er so we shouldn't crown his ass just yet (and if you don't believe me ask Dennis Green). We have a one year example of Harbaugh grading QB's and we only know of but a few QB grades from that class so it's hard to tell how good he truly is, but all signs point to him being good.

Do you view Gabbert as a true 1st round talent? Or do you think he is just the beneficiary of a weak draft class with lots of teams needing QB's? I agree with everything you said there btw. Not really sure why I'm asking you but I haven't gone to sleep so w.e.

Yes. I think in a stronger class he wouldn't be a top 10 pick...he'd likely fit in the 10-20 range.

Gabbert's 1st and 2nd year stats at Mizzou are actually very comparable and similar to those of Big Ben in his first 2 years starting at Miami. There games are different but statistically they are not that different, and Big Ben is also walking proof of an NFL QB who doesn't post big time numbers for a QB year in year out, however I think Gabbert is capable of posting better numbers with a better supporting cast (his cast was better in 09 and so were his TD numbers and this year he improved his completion %).

Another QB who didn't post eye popping numbers in college, Josh Freeman. So the whole 16 TD thing is overblown as is the "he came from a spread offense" because so did Sam Bradford & Tim Tebow as will many more QB's in the coming years. We can't get cold feet on taking a 1st round QB who isn't named Andrew Luck or has the hype and buzz that Luck has or on taking a 1st round QB because he played in a spread offense because many more QB's will be coming to the pro's from a spread...

Purely on statistics, you're looking at a 3-year college starter in Ben versus a 2-year started in Gabbert. The former progressed and threw 15 more TDs for 1200 more yards and 1 less pick moving from his sophomore year to junior year, whereas the latter REGRESSED and threw 8 less TDs for about 500 less yards. There simply is no comparison between the two, and if someone would like to say the numbers are taken out of context, there was absolutely no context provided for the original point that the two are similar just because of their first two years.

Besides, as Tuna and Baalke said, you have to look at the film and the games, not just stats.

Furthermore, you're comparing Blaine Gabbert to a QB who has been in 3 superbowls. We could play the statistics game, and I could find other QBs with mediocre stats who can't hold a candle to Ben's greatness.

Although I'm neither an expert on either of their college careers, I do know that GMs and scouts put a lot of stock into players who had longer college careers and consistently showed improvement. Gabbert has too many question marks for someone who had only two starting years and a year of regression / mediocrity (comparing his final year of 16 TDs / 8 int 3100 yards to Ben's of 37 TDs / 10 int 4500 yards).

I was comparing there first 2 years as starters, not their sophomore and junior years. And comparing the fact that 16 TD's in a college season, regardless of the offense doesn't mean that he doesn't have all the tools to be a successful pro QB.

Fact is he had less talent surrounding him from year 1 to year 2. Tim Tebow went from back to back 30 TD seasons at Florida to 21 as a senior, and as a senior he lost Murphy and Harvin. He too as we all know played in a spread.

Again the 16 TD's in a spread offense complaint is overblown.

I know you were comparing the first two years, which is why I stated that you can't compare two QBs just based off of a selective interpretation of their careers that removes Ben's third year and doesn't even provide context for any of their statistics. If talking about Cam Newton, we'd be forced to talk only about one year of production for anyone we compared him to, which would be ridiculous since most QBs have started for at least two seasons.

But no matter how many reasons there are for why Gabbert did worse in his last season, the fact is that it is a big question mark. Most people did not even feel Tebow was worth a 1st rounder at all, and we're talking about Gabbert 7th overall. I do not think you can make a comparison between the two.

[ Edited by Eskendale on Apr 28, 2011 at 09:45:21 ]

Originally posted by fakers23:

Originally posted by DesiDez:
I'll trust whoever Harbaugh picks in the draft.

that being said, I've always been on the Gabbert bandwagon. I knew back in October that Gabbert had 1st rd potential. (search the forums, if you don't believe)

I personally think #7 is too high for him but if they want him, then they have to reach a little because I doubt Tenn, Wash, Minny, and Miami all pass on him.

I'm not really concerned about the spread offense. Talent supercedes any system. Talent will function well in ANY system. Talented football players will figure out how to play well. Brees, Roethlisberger, Flacco, Bradford, Freeman all came from spread offenses. That's just the trend in college FBall.

I've narrowed down my top 2 QB preferences to Gabbert and Kaepernick. Thought I still like Dalton and Ponder in the 2nd rd

The bust rate though for 2nd rd QBs is much much higher than 1st rd QBs.

You can sense the fear Alex Smith fans have when ANOTHER QB is discussed. LOL.

Lmao, I do get the sense Alex fans are worried. If they take a QB at 7.. They will need a new home..

This is the draft forum, and a thread about Gabbert, comments such as this about Alex Smith are misplaced. Please refrain.