Jim Harbaugh Thread - HC Chargers

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Originally posted by mayo49:

I guess the Michigan fan base is finally on to Harbaugh. I hope he falls flat on his face. Can't get away with the bad vibes forever.

Nah his truly colors are showing and baalkes never was relevant..

Dumbest mistake in 49ers franchise history getting rid of him for baalke... In 4 years he has Michigan a title ready team for years to come...

Meanwhile back here in four years we are on our 3rd coach and no where near a championship.. Go figure, who pays for the dumbest mistake in franchise history? The fans!!

"Reap what you sow"

This is what most wanted.... baalke is no where to be found?

Nah, I'd rather have Shanny than Harbaugh - things worked out just fine for us.

Sure even if so for the sake of the argument but not enough to go through 3 coaches and wait 10 years to have a title ready team? The gm is not even on our squad 4 years later, that we picked over a great coach. That is the dumbest mistake of this franchise by far.

Not worth it.. I don't care who the coach is, no gm is worth pissing away a decade..

49ers f**ked up picking baalke over Harbaugh. Wasted opportunity.

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Originally posted by mayo49:
I guess the Michigan fan base is finally on to Harbaugh. I hope he falls flat on his face. Can't get away with the bad vibes forever.

Nah his truly colors are showing and baalkes never was relevant..

Dumbest mistake in 49ers franchise history getting rid of him for baalke... In 4 years he has Michigan a title ready team for years to come...

Meanwhile back here in four years we are on our 3rd coach and no where near a championship.. Go figure, who pays for the dumbest mistake in franchise history? The fans!!

"Reap what you sow"

This is what most wanted.... baalke is no where to be found?

Nah, I'd rather have Shanny than Harbaugh - things worked out just fine for us.

Sure even if so for the sake of the argument but not enough to go through 3 coaches and wait 10 years to have a title ready team? The gm is not even on our squad 4 years later, that we picked over a great coach. That is the dumbest mistake of this franchise by far.

Not worth it.. I don't care who the coach is, no gm is worth pissing away a decade..

49ers f**ked up picking baalke over Harbaugh. Wasted opportunity.

I have to agree with you on keeping Baalke instead of Harbaugh. Terrible mistake.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/wolverineswire.com/2018/06/21/dumb-arguments-jim-harbaugh-nfl-third-division-michigan-football/amp/

Finebum is such a troll lol.

Originally posted by mayo49:

I have to agree with you on keeping Baalke instead of Harbaugh. Terrible mistake.

No question but who's to say what would have been?

Once Baalke had total power/control, he failed miserably. Now Harbaugh has had his own years of total power/control and clearly, hasn't come close to reaching his own expectations either.

Perhaps both men just weren't what they first appeared to be?

We'll see again this year...stay tuned.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by mayo49:
I have to agree with you on keeping Baalke instead of Harbaugh. Terrible mistake.

No question but who's to say what would have been?

Once Baalke had total power/control, he failed miserably. Now Harbaugh has had his own years of total power/control and clearly, hasn't come close to reaching his own expectations either.

Perhaps both men just weren't what they first appeared to be?

We'll see again this year...stay tuned.

Harbaugh had a chance to draft Jimmy in 2014, too bad that Baalke was in charge of drafting at that point. I'd have loved to see how Harbaugh would have done with a Jimmy Garoppolo style QB vs a Colin Kaepernick QB in 2012, but that's not possible. I think this Shea Patterson kid has the makings of a Jimmy style QB and will be watching Harbaugh intently has he guides this kid to the pros. I'd love to see a guy like Milton in Kyle's hands, if that ever would come to fruition. I'm still a big fan of Colin as a player and Harbaugh as a coach. The run first offense though, I'm not a fan of at all. I think if Harbaugh wants more success in the NFL, he should re-think that offense.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by mayo49:

I have to agree with you on keeping Baalke instead of Harbaugh. Terrible mistake.

No question but who's to say what would have been?

Once Baalke had total power/control, he failed miserably. Now Harbaugh has had his own years of total power/control and clearly, hasn't come close to reaching his own expectations either.

Perhaps both men just weren't what they first appeared to be?

We'll see again this year...stay tuned.

Context is important, in 4 years since getting fired, one has a track record in turning around programs and has Michigan in year 4 loaded and ready to contend. Add it to the list.

The other not even in the business..

It's more like one is a great coach and knows what he is doing and the other is not even in the gm business 4 years later and didn't know nada about the business.

These next two years will be important for Harbaugh but as you can see he knows how to develop, coach and turnaround a program and has Michigan right where they want to be.

Michigan Football: Do Wolverines have a shot at 5-star Quavaris Crouch?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/gbmwolverine.com/2018/06/14/michigan-football-do-wolverines-have-a-shot-at-5-star-quavaris-crouch/amp/

"Zach Charbonnet commits to Michigan: Wolverines add 4-star RB from California"

By Kevin Cunningham
June 24, 2018
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.landof10.com/michigan/michigan-football-zach-charbonnet-commit-4-star-running-back-bio/amp

If he continues to recruit like he has been thus far, getting these 3,4,5 star recruits in the building he will get that title in the next couple of years if not this year. Remember when people said Harbaugh cannot develope talent? Debunked because he is developing loads of talent to the nfl.. Another 6-7 prospects could go in the first 3 rounds on defense alone...

It was more like Harbaugh had to deal with baalke and his Acl crew that accomplished nothing.

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by mayo49:
I have to agree with you on keeping Baalke instead of Harbaugh. Terrible mistake.

No question but who's to say what would have been?

Once Baalke had total power/control, he failed miserably. Now Harbaugh has had his own years of total power/control and clearly, hasn't come close to reaching his own expectations either.

Perhaps both men just weren't what they first appeared to be?

We'll see again this year...stay tuned.

Context is important, in 4 years since getting fired, one has a track record in turning around programs and has Michigan in year 4 loaded and ready to contend. Add it to the list.

The other not even in the business..

It's more like one is a great coach and knows what he is doing and the other is not even in the gm business 4 years later and didn't know nada about the business.

These next two years will be important for Harbaugh but as you can see he knows how to develop, coach and turnaround a program and has Michigan right where they want to be.

Michigan Football: Do Wolverines have a shot at 5-star Quavaris Crouch?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/gbmwolverine.com/2018/06/14/michigan-football-do-wolverines-have-a-shot-at-5-star-quavaris-crouch/amp/

If he continues to recruit like he has been thus far, getting these 3,4,5 star recruits in the building he will get that title in the next couple of years if not this year.

Coaches are only as good as his players. It took 4 years for Harbaugh to bring his guys in the program at Michigan and now they're ready to contend. In SF, Harbaugh had the team contending, until Baalke started screwing up the draft and the team was without incoming talent to replenish the roster.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Coaches are only as good as his players. It took 4 years for Harbaugh to bring his guys in the program at Michigan and now they're ready to contend. In SF, Harbaugh had the team contending, until Baalke started screwing up the draft and the team was without incoming talent to replenish the roster.

To me, it shows baalke was living off that Scott's era-draft? All baalke did was draft acl prospects after that.

baalke's whole career can be questioned and Harbaugh's consistently turns programs around? Remember when everyone says he won't stay long? He leaves every job in a couple of years. Debunked.

He has been there 4 years and has the opportunity to display the team he built.

A (long) list of the most impressive draft picks made by Scot McCloughan
Peter Hailey
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcsports.com/washington/washington-redskins/long-list-most-impressive-draft-picks-made-scot-mccloughan%3famp

baalke was living off Scot and was clearly in Harbaugh's way. We chose the idiot and fired the great coach. baalke clearly was enjoying Scot McCoughan drafts then went full retard on the All Acl Crew.. baalke enjoyed the fruits of Scot Mcoughlan's labor.
On Scots worst drunk day, he could draft better that baalke on his best sober day..

If Scot is Mr. April then baalke is Mr. no show..

What coach in their right mind or not, could work with a gm like that? baalke is and was kryptonite for head coaches.

"Michigan signee Christian Turner fell in love with Jim Harbaugh, team"

By Rachel Lenzi, Land of 10 Staff
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.landof10.com/michigan/michigan-football-recruiting-christian-turner-running-back-fyrone-davis-buford-high-school-coach/amp

BREAKING: Michigan's top RB target commits to the Wolverines
by Steve Lorenz
10 hours ago
https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.com/college/michigan/Article/Michigan-Football-Recruiting-Four-star-running-back-Zach-Charbonnet-commits-to-the-Wolverines-119324472/Amp/

That's two 5 star Qb's Shea and Dylan. Joe Milton is a four star and is looking like a 5 star competing as a true freshman and Brandon Peters which is a 4 star and reports are that he pushed Shea in the spring.

Then Jeff George jr comes in as well. The kids are talking and saying nothing but good things about Harbaugh, he is developing and recruiting like an animal. I don't listen to Finebum, I listen to the players and what the kids say. Consistently Harbaugh proves to be a players coach.

All he needs is a title to cement it. 4 years and it's crowded back there. All those kids in those threads are on the nfl heavy watch list and some are missing like Chase Winovich, Shea Patterson and Kheleke Hudson. He is developing and sending them to the nfl as he did with 11 2 years ago to the nfl. Maurice Hurst and Jake Butt are making noise in camp..

Only thing left for Harbaugh is beating the other school and a title.. Then we can compare meyer and sabans resume with Harbaugh's.

"ESPN recently released their list of the biggest offseason standouts for each team, and for the Raiders, Hurst was the choice. Already working with the first team, Hurst has not backed down from anybody during camp, and the coaching staff has taken notice."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/justblogbaby.com/2018/06/16/espn-says-maurice-hurst-surprising-standout-offseason/amp/

"Excitement for Broncos tight end Jake Butt continues to rise heading into minicamp
Butt adds another element to Denver's offense, and his continued development could play an integral role."
By Ian St. Clair on June 10, 2018 4:30 am
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.milehighreport.com/platform/amp/2018/6/10/17444998/denver-broncos-tight-end-jake-butt-mini-camp

"Vance Joseph on Jake Butt: 'He's obviously a playmaker'
The Denver Broncos may have a tight end emerging as the pass catching threat they need this season."
By Tim Lynch on June 14, 2018 8:23 am
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.milehighreport.com/platform/amp/2018/6/14/17463542/jake-butt-playmaker

When you take a step back and look at the developing, recruiting and coaching Harbaugh gives.

It's self evident. Get ready for Jake Butt and Maurice Hurst nfl... Michigan pumping out NFL players like wow.

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Context is important, in 4 years since getting fired, one has a track record in turning around programs and has Michigan in year 4 loaded and ready to contend. Add it to the list.

The other not even in the business..

It's more like one is a great coach and knows what he is doing and the other is not even in the gm business 4 years later and didn't know nada about the business.

These next two years will be important for Harbaugh but as you can see he knows how to develop, coach and turnaround a program and has Michigan right where they want to be.

Michigan Football: Do Wolverines have a shot at 5-star Quavaris Crouch?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/gbmwolverine.com/2018/06/14/michigan-football-do-wolverines-have-a-shot-at-5-star-quavaris-crouch/amp/

"Zach Charbonnet commits to Michigan: Wolverines add 4-star RB from California"

By Kevin Cunningham
June 24, 2018
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.landof10.com/michigan/michigan-football-zach-charbonnet-commit-4-star-running-back-bio/amp

If he continues to recruit like he has been thus far, getting these 3,4,5 star recruits in the building he will get that title in the next couple of years if not this year. Remember when people said Harbaugh cannot develope talent? Debunked because he is developing loads of talent to the nfl.. Another 6-7 prospects could go in the first 3 rounds on defense alone...

It was more like Harbaugh had to deal with baalke and his Acl crew that accomplished nothing.

You obviously completely missed the point here. Every Niner fan felt we had a good GM after he won EOTY and we were rolling. Time clearly proved he was more of a detriment once he had total power. Time is proving a similar path for JH once he got total power. That doesn't mean he can't turn it around but let's not call him a great coach until he can compete equally with the great coaches he faced in the NFL and now, in college.

Context, like you said: One can't claim ".695 winning percentage" in the same breath as moving the goal posts from a "3rd place" reality.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Harbaugh had a chance to draft Jimmy in 2014, too bad that Baalke was in charge of drafting at that point. I'd have loved to see how Harbaugh would have done with a Jimmy Garoppolo style QB vs a Colin Kaepernick QB in 2012, but that's not possible. I think this Shea Patterson kid has the makings of a Jimmy style QB and will be watching Harbaugh intently has he guides this kid to the pros. I'd love to see a guy like Milton in Kyle's hands, if that ever would come to fruition. I'm still a big fan of Colin as a player and Harbaugh as a coach. The run first offense though, I'm not a fan of at all. I think if Harbaugh wants more success in the NFL, he should re-think that offense.

Where talent is equal and game planning matters, this is where JH has failed more often than not. Jim "can't win the big one" Harbaugh, right or wrong, has that stigma now. He's a good blue collar HC who's best at playing checkers IMHO.

Originally posted by NCommand:

You obviously completely missed the point here. Every Niner fan felt we had a good GM after he won EOTY and we were rolling. Time clearly proved he was more of a detriment once he had total power. Time is proving a similar path for JH once he got total power. That doesn't mean he can't turn it around but let's not call him a great coach until he can compete equally with the great coaches he faced in the NFL and now, in college.

Context, like you said: One can't claim ".695 winning percentage" in the same breath as moving the goal posts from a "3rd place" reality.

Originally posted by NCommand:

You obviously completely missed the point here. Every Niner fan felt we had a good GM after he won EOTY and we were rolling. Time clearly proved he was more of a detriment once he had total power. Time is proving a similar path for JH once he got total power. That doesn't mean he can't turn it around but let's not call him a great coach until he can compete equally with the great coaches he faced in the NFL and now, in college.

Context, like you said: One can't claim ".695 winning percentage" in the same breath as moving the goal posts from a "3rd place" reality.

I just don't get why the criteria is Harbs has to be #1 or he's a loser.

He's not a tier 1 coach with Urban, Saban, Jimbo, Dabo

But he is tier 2 with guys like Franklin s d Peterson


Only 4 coaches have won "the big one" and have a Natty

The reality is in college the difference between a 10 win contending team and a Natty is 1 player. Like Vince Young, Cam Newton or more recently Deshaun Watson

I don't think a coach is a bad coach because they don't have the next Vince Young

But you also can't be the best without a Natty

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
Sure even if so for the sake of the argument but not enough to go through 3 coaches and wait 10 years to have a title ready team? The gm is not even on our squad 4 years later, that we picked over a great coach. That is the dumbest mistake of this franchise by far.

Not worth it.. I don't care who the coach is, no gm is worth pissing away a decade..

49ers f**ked up picking baalke over Harbaugh. Wasted opportunity.

Trent really did a bang up job of hiding his incompetence and blaming it on other people. He played the political game very well, and Harbaugh was the perfect guy to play it with because Harbaugh doesn't know how to play nice and be political. I miss Harbaugh's defenses, and that's one thing that Kyle's not proven to me yet - that he can create dynasty defenses. It's very clear that Kyle has a first rate offensive mind, but I think what sets Harbaugh apart from other coaches is that he's had great defenses wherever he'd been *and* he has enough of an offensive heft to have a decent offense to play off a dominating defense.