Jim Harbaugh Thread - HC Chargers

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Harbaugh had a chance to draft Jimmy in 2014, too bad that Baalke was in charge of drafting at that point. I'd have loved to see how Harbaugh would have done with a Jimmy Garoppolo style QB vs a Colin Kaepernick QB in 2012, but that's not possible. I think this Shea Patterson kid has the makings of a Jimmy style QB and will be watching Harbaugh intently has he guides this kid to the pros. I'd love to see a guy like Milton in Kyle's hands, if that ever would come to fruition. I'm still a big fan of Colin as a player and Harbaugh as a coach. The run first offense though, I'm not a fan of at all. I think if Harbaugh wants more success in the NFL, he should re-think that offense.

Where talent is equal and game planning matters, this is where JH has failed more often than not. Jim "can't win the big one" Harbaugh, right or wrong, has that stigma now. He's a good blue collar HC who's best at playing checkers IMHO.

His style is very simple. Execute and dominate. Very different from guys like Walsh and Kyle who are more cerebral and outwit vs outmuscle. Clearly the college game and the NFL game are very different. He's done well in both, but not to the point where he's a Hall of fame Level coach. Those are hard to find, and even harder to keep. But Harbaugh is still pretty young as he is only 54. I think he still has a good 10+ years of coaching left in him and he can still improve (hopefully). I'd love to see him back in the NFL and with an NFL caliber offense too. Hopefully he's learned his lesson, and that when he goes back to the NFL - he should have total control of the football operations the way Kyle has now (yes Kyle has a GM that makes the draft selections - but Kyle *hired* John). I really look forward to seeing Jim earn a National Title, I think he has everything now - even the QB as Wu says - to win it. **IF** (big if) he wins the National Title, I can see him using that to jump back into the NFL and on an NFL team that will enable him to have full control of everything.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Where talent is equal and game planning matters, this is where JH has failed more often than not. Jim "can't win the big one" Harbaugh, right or wrong, has that stigma now. He's a good blue collar HC who's best at playing checkers IMHO.

You don't get his resume by playing checkers, You don't win in the nfl a nfc Championship by playing checkers.. You don't turn around every program whetger nfl or cfb by playing checkers. You don't build a championship squad in year 4, by playing checkers..

baalke is where he is by playing checkers..

Originally posted by NCommand:

You obviously completely missed the point here. Every Niner fan felt we had a good GM after he won EOTY and we were rolling. Time clearly proved he was more of a detriment once he had total power. Time is proving a similar path for JH once he got total power. That doesn't mean he can't turn it around but let's not call him a great coach until he can compete equally with the great coaches he faced in the NFL and now, in college.

Context, like you said: One can't claim ".695 winning percentage" in the same breath as moving the goal posts from a "3rd place" reality.

Time is not proving they are similar, only to fans that don't like him and choose to ignore what happened to Michigan and the fact he has a ready team now.. The haters you mean like finebum and his loyalists? The lies were debunked regarding hoke and harbaugh in the last page.

In 4 years he built a championship squad... In who's mind is he proving he is similar??? Lol

One keeps turning around programs and has Michigan ready in year four to contend.

The other is not even in his field of work?

How are they similar?

To casual fans, prolific passing offense = genius

Anything else = checkers

Edit; shoot I even remember when Harbs haters called his run schemes to complex with multiple formations and pre snap adjustments . How things change

"Consider: he made Stanford football relevant. Took down mighty USC, then the dominant power in the game. Led the Cardinal to the Orange Bowl.

When he left Stanford for San Francisco, he wound up in the Super Bowl. When he left the 49ers for U-M two seasons ago, he wound up in the Orange Bowl.

In other words, he wins.

Now, does he have work to do? Absolutely. He can start by beating Ohio State and, eventually, he's going to have to win a Big Ten title and get to a College Football Playoff."

I don't see any similarities when his resume is presented? Does anyone else see any similarities between baalkes and Harbaugh's resumes?

One is a winner and the other is a loser who lived off someone else's draft

"Assuming everyone stays, the starting job could be wide open heading into 2020. If Patterson plays two seasons for Michigan football, the 2020 season would start a new era at quarterback. Peters would be a redshirt senior then, McCaffrey a fourth-year junior, Milton a three-year sophomore and McNamara would be in his second season.

It's unlikely they all stay. If they do, there could be a free-for-all in 2020. What's more likely, is that Peters or McCaffrey transfers instead of waiting their turn. My guess is Peters. Then, in 2020, McCaffrey can take the reigns, with a push from Milton and McNamara.

McNamara doesn't have ideal height at 6-1, but he threw for almost 4,000 yards and 44 touchdowns according to 247sports. The pickup helped the Wolverines move into the top five among 2019 classes. UM has one 5-star, four 4-stars and a 3-star.

The fact that Michigan also beat out Alabama, Georgia and USC for a highly-touted quarterback is a good sign. Some questioned if Michigan was going to be able to keep winning on the recruiting trail, without winning more on the field. So far so good."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/gbmwolverine.com/2018/03/17/michigan-football-cade-mcnamara-future-quarterback/amp/

"Michigan football has 6, Michigan State just 1 in SI's top 100 players"

GEORGE STOIA | DETROIT FREE PRESS | 1 hour ago
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.freep.com/amp/730797002

Context,

not only is he flipping the other schools prospects but he is plucking them away from saban.. lol
At the pace he is recruiting, 👀 at the Qb competition, pumping and developing kids out to the nfl.. WoW

"And on Sunday, Michigan not only gained momentum in recruiting but got the last laugh. The Wolverines landed three more verbal commitments from players in the class of 2019, including a pair of four-star prospects with high play-making potential."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2018/06/commitment_season_is_heating_u.amp

"Nelson Laugh" Haha

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

You don't get his resume by playing checkers, You don't win in the nfl a nfc Championship by playing checkers.. You don't turn around every program whetger nfl or cfb by playing checkers. You don't build a championship squad in year 4, by playing checkers..

baalke is where he is by playing checkers..

LOL...Baalke doesn't even have a board or pieces to play with. He's using chalk on a sidewalk and playing by himself.

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Time is not proving they are similar, only to fans that don't like him and choose to ignore what happened to Michigan and the fact he has a ready team now.. The haters you mean like finebum and his loyalists? The lies were debunked regarding hoke and harbaugh in the last page.

In 4 years he built a championship squad... In who's mind is he proving he is similar??? Lol

One keeps turning around programs and has Michigan ready in year four to contend.

The other is not even in his field of work?

How are they similar?

You keep saying championship squad but...ummmm.

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

To casual fans, prolific passing offense = genius

Anything else = checkers

Edit; shoot I even remember when Harbs haters called his run schemes to complex with multiple formations and pre snap adjustments . How things change

Running game was complex...passing was "go route" and the ability to game plan for an oppositions weakness or string well-conceived plays together with purpose were lacking. That's where guys like Bill Walsh and Kyle Shanahan are proven. Next level.

His college teams look identical to the pros...enforce your will. If he has the horses, it can work. But against equal talent, it's game over.

Originally posted by Giedi:

His style is very simple. Execute and dominate. Very different from guys like Walsh and Kyle who are more cerebral and outwit vs outmuscle. Clearly the college game and the NFL game are very different. He's done well in both, but not to the point where he's a Hall of fame Level coach. Those are hard to find, and even harder to keep. But Harbaugh is still pretty young as he is only 54. I think he still has a good 10+ years of coaching left in him and he can still improve (hopefully). I'd love to see him back in the NFL and with an NFL caliber offense too. Hopefully he's learned his lesson, and that when he goes back to the NFL - he should have total control of the football operations the way Kyle has now (yes Kyle has a GM that makes the draft selections - but Kyle *hired* John). I really look forward to seeing Jim earn a National Title, I think he has everything now - even the QB as Wu says - to win it. **IF** (big if) he wins the National Title, I can see him using that to jump back into the NFL and on an NFL team that will enable him to have full control of everything.

Yeah, offensively, he's like Saleh. Simple game plans with premier talent winning 1v1. He is certainly grounded in the Bo Schembechler school of thought. You can win a lot of games that way esp. in college but...

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Time is not proving they are similar, only to fans that don't like him and choose to ignore what happened to Michigan and the fact he has a ready team now.. The haters you mean like finebum and his loyalists? The lies were debunked regarding hoke and harbaugh in the last page.

In 4 years he built a championship squad... In who's mind is he proving he is similar??? Lol

One keeps turning around programs and has Michigan ready in year four to contend.

The other is not even in his field of work?

How are they similar?

You keep saying championship squad but...ummmm.

The next 2-3 years Michigan should have at least 1 National Championship. I respect what you are saying but what I am saying, The #1 defense in cfb is coming back with 9 of 11 starters. That's not a question mark. The Qb position was in question.

The Qb's are in place which was a question mark last season. My point? That #1 defense alone will keep us in every game and now a 5 star Qb like Shea Patterson?!?!?! It's going to be fun for Harbaugh these next years with his recruits..

With that roster, there's no reason why they shouldn't have at least one championship in the next couple of years.

Book it.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Yeah, offensively, he's like Saleh. Simple game plans with premier talent winning 1v1. He is certainly grounded in the Bo Schembechler school of thought. You can win a lot of games that way esp. in college but...

Yet...He is 44-19-1 in the NFL, the most winningest head coach in there first 3 years of tenure. Yet it was his offense who saved us in the nfc championship game?

The only real reason we lost was because baalke All ACL CREW.. baalke took days off during our super bowl run, picking tank carradine while cowboy was playing with one arm.. Tank sat on the bench while that defense was exhausted in the super bowl and nfc championship.

It was baalkes inept and failures that kept that defense replenished, while every other team was switching and resting players. The all ACL CREW never got up for the task.

Cowboy is still waiting for tank to replace him.. What a beautiful offense imagine if trent did his job and didn't take off during a super bowl run or any draft for that matter.

Ironically it was the offense that won us a nfc championship

Let's take it to the studio where Jim has footage. Take it from here Jim. Roll the tape.. We must have forgotten, sadly.



Damn that offense for winning us our nfc title.. bad offense, bad 60 yard bomb, bad come back from one of the largest deficits in nfc championship history..

Tisk tisk tisk, ungrateful are we NC? I'm disappointed in you NC

It was kaep and his legs . not harbaughs offense of 3 yards and a cloud of dust. (Jimmy Raye 2.0)

Jimmy use to dream about Kaep legs

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

It was kaep and his legs . not harbaughs offense of 3 yards and a cloud of dust. (Jimmy Raye 2.0)

Jimmy use to dream about Kaep legs

I'm sure it had nothing to do with the play calling

The hate can't get past the facts. Interesting yet not surprising

What did Harbaugh do to gain so much blind hate from the West? He turned around 3 west coast teams

Talk about ungrateful... Sheesh...