Jim Harbaugh Thread - HC Chargers

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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I don't think it was the O Line, as much as the starting QB having cramps that cost Harbaugh the game. From what I can tell, his coaching staff is pretty much all brand new, it will take a couple of games, if not a whole season to gel as a coaching staff and for their coaching to start to get traction. Harbaugh's running game wasn't impressive to me, and if he's going to run his particular offense - that part of his offense must be rock solid.

McCaffrey looked more poised than Patterson. Had Shea played the whole game I'm not sure the offense does score a TD.

McCaffrey did look good, and when Shea was in (I didn't watch the whole game, just the highlights) it seems Shea was moving the ball ok. I'm looking forward to seeing if ShanaLynch can draft McCaffrey 4 years from now.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Unpredictability also doesn't mean success if you can't execute. For example, a trick play is supposed to be a surprise, but if you don't block it and execute it correctly - even if it's a surprise, it will blow up on you.

Need unpredictability when you face a team with similar talent though. If they know where you are going to do they can stop it. Notre Dame won the game because Michigan didn't expect the early passing of Wimbush.

Speed on the outside really is important in Harbaughs offense, do they (U of M) have any speedsters? I heard there was an injury to a major player, but I think he was a running back.

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Originally posted by Jiks:

And speaking of that runback, my points been made how it's the talent who carries Harbaugh not his coaching. Without that player putting Harbaugh on his shoulders and carrying him, Michigan has zero hope in that game.

Now you are reaching.

The defense held them to 3 points in the second half.. 302 yards total.. In ND.. The same 3 points that the ref gave to them... lol

Stop it with the nonsense. The defense adjusted. The offense is what needs the work.

I love how you fail to mention the ND touchdown that was taken away on a BS penalty. It would've made the score 28-10. Plus, you're disregarding the fact that Brian Kelly played it safe in the 2nd half. Your excuses are only going to go so far. Michigan was horribly out played and the Irish won.

Man, you're a Kaepernick fan and a Michigan fan. You and I would never be friends.

Originally posted by Stud:

I love how you fail to mention the ND touchdown that was taken away on a BS penalty. It would've made the score 28-10. Plus, you're disregarding the fact that Brian Kelly played it safe in the 2nd half. Your excuses are only going to go so far. Michigan was horribly out played and the Irish won.

Man, you're a Kaepernick fan and a Michigan fan. You and I would never be friends.

I love how you fail to mention what I said in my other posts but I'll play you're silly game.

If you kick a player out for a for targeting, make sure you kick their player out when you hear the helmet to helmet crack in a blatant helmet to helmet.

1)What works for one, works for all..

2) When a kicker is still in his stance and the clock is at 00. Make the call.

3) I'm not here for excuses if you fail or ignore my other posts. That's your problem.

4) I'm sorry if you thought I was here for your friendship nor do I care how you feel about my stance on Keapernick or me being a Michigan fan.

I guess it's too much to ask to call a penalty when the kicker is sitting and it's 00... I guess it's too much too ask huh?

The o line is flat out terrible. The center,left tackle, and right tackle shouldn't be starting. They can't run the ball and they can't run anything deep. JH has been here 4 years and we have the same problems. It says alot that in 4 years you have to rely on transfers over guys you habe recruited. He's not getting it done. Recruiting is already staring to tail off

Originally posted by lamontb:

The o line is flat out terrible. The center,left tackle, and right tackle shouldn't be starting. They can't run the ball and they can't run anything deep. JH has been here 4 years and we have the same problems. It says alot that in 4 years you have to rely on transfers over guys you habe recruited. He's not getting it done. Recruiting is already staring to tail off

The only transfer is Shea Patterson, so he isn't depending on transfers. Dylan McCaffrey and Joe Milton are his Qb recruits and the future. The tackles does suck but they are young. Only way to gain experience is by playing.

Harbaugh been there 4 years but has 3 years recruiting at Michigan....

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Unpredictability also doesn't mean success if you can't execute. For example, a trick play is supposed to be a surprise, but if you don't block it and execute it correctly - even if it's a surprise, it will blow up on you.

Need unpredictability when you face a team with similar talent though. If they know where you are going to do they can stop it. Notre Dame won the game because Michigan didn't expect the early passing of Wimbush.

Speed on the outside really is important in Harbaughs offense, do they (U of M) have any speedsters? I heard there was an injury to a major player, but I think he was a running back.

Michigan football: With Tarik Black injured, these WRs must step up

NICK BAUMGARDNER | DETROIT FREE PRESS | 4:47 pm EDT August 27, 2018
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.freep.com/amp/1113671002

The haters don't care that 6 days before the game the best receiver got hurt and altered the game planning. They just want Harbaugh on a pitchfork.

They had to go into two tight end sets.. No matter how some want to ignore. Losing your best receiver hurts your offense.

"If Black is out for an extended period, it would be a setback because he has been one of Shea Patterson's top receivers in practice, along with Donovan Peoples-Jones and Grant Perry."

Michigan WR Tarik Black out indefinitely with foot injury

AP | 3:12 pm EDT August 26, 2018

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/37614131

When you lose your best receiver 6 days before the game... I don't care what offense or what team you have.. It's going to change the game plan and hurt your offense.


The Bad
Offensive line play needs to improve: Jon Runyan was thrown around quite a bit, and it wasn't a banner game for anyone along the line, nor was it for the tight ends in pass protection. It wasn't bad every single play, but more often than not Shea Patterson was under duress and the run game wasn't churning out big gains.
Penalties on defense: Defensive holding, roughing the passer, targeting, pass interference, facemask all were called against Michigan's defense.
Big chunk plays given up: On the deep pass play to Chris Finke by Brandon Wimbush, Brad Hawkins should have intercepted it. Hawkins was in the proper position but Finke "Moss'd" him and took the ball right out of his hands for a score. That was a big blow.
Turnovers: Shea Patterson threw an interception off his back foot, and had one hand on the football when it was smacked away, resulting in a lost fumble that ended Michigan's comeback attempt. Then there was the botched field goal attempt because didn't handle the snap cleanly.
Drops by Gentry: While tight end Zach Gentry could still have one hell of a year, he dropped a couple balls and one proved to be quite costly on third and goal. Patterson delivered a great throw to Gentry, it hit his hands, and Gentry dropped it. A TD here could have shifted momentum.
Evans not utilized enough: I do not disagree with the amount of touches Evans received on the ground, as his skill-set wasn't meshing well with how ND was stopping the run, but Evans should have been used more in the passing game. When the New England Patriots are down and the pressure keeps coming hot, Tom Brady loves to find his running back time and time again in the passing game. Evans is that type of player, and it's unfortunate they didn't give him more shots to contribute in the passing game before the fourth quarter.
A little more passing would have been nice: There were a few times run plays felt predictable, and the evidence was stacking up that the Wolverines were likely going to gain minimal yardage via the ground game. In these situations, a pass would have been more ideal. Shea Patterson finished the game with 30 pass attempts, even if the number jumped to 35 or 38 attempts it could have made a difference.

The Good
Patterson has a high ceiling: Patterson made some great throws throughout the day, especially some on the run that were highly difficult. He also stepped up in the pocket well when under pressure to find open targets.
The defense settled down: The second half was a different game for Michigan's defense, only allowing three points and less than 100 yards of total offense. While they looked vulnerable in the first half, the latter part of the game they looked like they could dominate just about any offense in the country.
It wasn't a simple gameplan, lots of formations were used: While you may not have liked the overall outcome, some of the personnel decisions, or the gameflow in terms of playcalling, the gameplan didn't suck. Michigan played out of the shotgun a ton with a variety of formations out of it, and they also mixed in a lot of I-Formation too. But for the most part, the offense was not predictable and you can't diss the use of the spread.
The receivers were reliable: I know some of you are going to say "but they weren't getting open!" It's hard to get open on every play, they got open enough. Grant Perry, Nico Collins, Donovan Peoples-Jones, and Oliver Martin all hauled in catches and it appears the unit may be a deep and talented one.
The backup QB looked competent: When Patterson left to get an IV with cramping issues, Dylan McCaffrey came in and got the offense some much needed first downs. McCaffrey looked calm and collected at the helm during his brief time in the game, where he went 4-6 for 22 yards while adding ten yards on the ground.
That Thomas dude can scoot: Ambry Thomas may be a difference maker in the return game, on his 99 yard kickoff return for a touchdown he made all sorts of good moves and had tremendous speed. This TD was no fluke, it may be the start of plenty more big things to come from the young man."

Braylon Edward got himself in a little trouble speaking his mind about Michigan football. This is All American Michigan alumni telling it how it is. Not an outsider, hater, or troll.

Edwards, a former All-America wide receiver at Michigan, criticized offensive lineman Cesar Ruiz, calling him "weak," and said Michigan quarterback Shea Patterson is "scared." Edwards went on to tweet, "f---ing Michigan offense so predictable ... Michigan football is sadly one thing ... Trash."

And then this was his response to the backlash:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Braylon Edward got himself in a little trouble speaking his mind about Michigan football. This is All American Michigan alumni telling it how it is. Not an outsider, hater, or troll.

Edwards, a former All-America wide receiver at Michigan, criticized offensive lineman Cesar Ruiz, calling him "weak," and said Michigan quarterback Shea Patterson is "scared." Edwards went on to tweet, "f---ing Michigan offense so predictable ... Michigan football is sadly one thing ... Trash."

And then this was his response to the backlash:

So funny that everyone is worried my tweet as opposed to the real issue, 0-17 on the road against ranked opponents, 1-6 against rivals and the one win was against a 3-9 MSU. Last thing i will ask and really think about this before you get mad...is Michigan better than Iowa?

— Braylon Edwards (@OfficialBraylon) September 3, 2018

Khalid Hill who is also a Michigan Alumni responded to that tweet..

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Braylon Edward got himself in a little trouble speaking his mind about Michigan football. This is All American Michigan alumni telling it how it is. Not an outsider, hater, or troll.

Edwards, a former All-America wide receiver at Michigan, criticized offensive lineman Cesar Ruiz, calling him "weak," and said Michigan quarterback Shea Patterson is "scared." Edwards went on to tweet, "f---ing Michigan offense so predictable ... Michigan football is sadly one thing ... Trash."

And then this was his response to the backlash:

So funny that everyone is worried my tweet as opposed to the real issue, 0-17 on the road against ranked opponents, 1-6 against rivals and the one win was against a 3-9 MSU. Last thing i will ask and really think about this before you get mad...is Michigan better than Iowa?

— Braylon Edwards (@OfficialBraylon) September 3, 2018

Sickens me that you went to u of m and you got the nerve to throw a tweet up like this. When they turn it around which they will. Don't be the one trying to say you knew they would from the jump. IDGAF what you did a Michigan, these guys don't deserve that neither does the team! pic.twitter.com/UNgWwHiLRf

— Khalid Hill (@Thatboylid80) September 2, 2018

Khalid Hill who is also a Michigan Alumni responded to that tweet..

And? Does that make what Braylon said incorrect? Some nobody FB from one of those less than stellar teams tries to make it about "don't be trying to say you knew it all along when they finally turn it around" when that clearly isn't what Braylon was trying to say. Was it a dick move to call out those individual players? Yes, absolutely. Was he right in calling it the abysmal play against ranked opponents and rivals? 100 %.

Originally posted by StOnEy333:
And? Does that make what Braylon said incorrect? Some nobody FB from one of those less than stellar teams tries to make it about "don't be trying to say you knew it all along when they finally turn it around" when that clearly isn't what Braylon was trying to say. Was it a dick move to call out those individual players? Yes, absolutely. Was he right in calling it the abysmal play against ranked opponents and rivals? 100 %.

I don't get why a commentator was suspended for a non-racial or non-political comment. Oh well, I don't watch college ball that much and so I'm not familiar with all the traditions they have. His coment was pretty sharp, but these college guys performing in front of thousands of people should be able to handle those kinds of criticisms. I would hope they aren't weak snowflakes in a sense - with regards to football criticsim.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

And? Does that make what Braylon said incorrect? Some nobody FB from one of those less than stellar teams tries to make it about "don't be trying to say you knew it all along when they finally turn it around" when that clearly isn't what Braylon was trying to say. Was it a dick move to call out those individual players? Yes, absolutely. Was he right in calling it the abysmal play against ranked opponents and rivals? 100 %.

I don't get why a commentator was suspended for a non-racial or non-political comment. Oh well, I don't watch college ball that much and so I'm not familiar with all the traditions they have. His coment was pretty sharp, but these college guys performing in front of thousands of people should be able to handle those kinds of criticisms. I would hope they aren't weak snowflakes in a sense - with regards to football criticsim.

I'm not 100% sure, but I think it was because he called out those specific players. I think he has every right to go after their record and being a let down, but there was no reason to take shots at those guys.

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Michigan WR Tarik Black suffers foot injury, return time frame unclear https://t.co/AAYEQVPYov

— Nick Baumgardner (@nickbaumgardner) August 26, 2018

Michigan wide receiver Tarik Black showed a ton of promise before his foot injury last season. He's hurt again. https://t.co/5K7PsXF3G0

— Brad Galli (@BradGalli) August 27, 2018

Michigan football: With Tarik Black injured, these WRs must step up

NICK BAUMGARDNER | DETROIT FREE PRESS | 4:47 pm EDT August 27, 2018
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.freep.com/amp/1113671002

The haters don't care that 6 days before the game the best receiver got hurt and altered the game planning. They just want Harbaugh on a pitchfork.

They had to go into two tight end sets.. No matter how some want to ignore. Losing your best receiver hurts your offense.

If you have a good running game, the loss of a star WR shouldn't affect your offense *that* much. Is it a bad OLine, or more likely a bad RB that makes the OLine look bad? In other words, Harbaughs offense needs two critical things - a very good running game and speed to the outside. He should have good depth at both postitions to keep his offense consistent - otherwise from a structural point of view - a lack of speed at the WR positions and a lack of a good back in the ground game really slows down and makes his offense inconsistent.