Jim Harbaugh Thread - HC Chargers

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I think the only thing Jim is holding back is his wardrobe

Originally posted by billbird2111:
Why do we let posters with a total of less than 200 posts start new threads (new = stupid)?

He may have a few posts but he joined in 2008. I wouldn't call that new. Just doesn't post 30 times a day.

It's wishful thinking BUT I'm wishing hey have more than a few surprises for us.

Still, we do have a lot of talent and it can open up more possibilities than we've seen.

Some of us have been coming here for years as "lurkers", but life got in the way of joining the Zone and previously there were snafus in getting a response in the registering process. Why are "new" posters any less credible than "veteran" posters? I've seen bad posts from all kinds of different posters with varying levels of Zone experience. I don't feel the need to post dozens of times a day because I have other obligations and often times excessive posting doesn't contribute to anything other than raising one's number of posts.

NFL coaches want to stay employed and failed trick plays are a good way of drawing unwanted criticism to them. It is best for them to run a standard play and if it fails the critics will complain about the players involved instead of the coaches.

That first-play pass at Seattle...does anyone think Gore up the middle against a good and frenzied defense would have been successful? Many do and blame JH for taking that chance. Over time, coaches tend to do things that are "accepted" rather than to expose themselves to criticism.

That failed pitch play deep in the end zone...that well could have been successful, but they won't try it again. Next time it will be a battered Gore up the middle or a throw out of bounds and a punt.

Personally, I like the chances JH takes now and then, but clearly many do not.

BTW, not sure that having a clique of posters leads to more interesting threads. Mods should be like coaches, putting the best threads out there and not just playing the same vets out of loyalty or familiarity.

I have to believe Harbaugh and Roman have something up their sleeves for the playoffs, what that is I do not know. It seems as if we did not do as many trick plays this year as we did last year, even though we did pull off a few over the course of this season. I don't believe the 49ers have played their best football yet, and I think they are capable of getting better for this playoff run. There are not too many opportunities which come along for teams year after year, the 49ers have a window now, and we don't know yet how big that window is, for now it is only as big as this year. Perhaps they've been saving some things for the right time or right time of year. I hope so, no better time than this time of year to break the WWL/T pattern.

I don't know how most Niner fans truly feel - but I wish Harbaugh would have had Alex Smith finish the season. Especially after what happened last week against Seattle and what happened for the 1st qt yesterday against the Cardinals. I am not a Kaep hater, I believe he is going to excel Smith once both careers are over. However, I believe that the 49ers best chances to win the Super Bowl this year is with Smith as the starting QB.

So in saying all of that, my point is that unless the Niners go and win the superbowl - I think everybody will 2nd guess Harbaughs decision. Everybody would say what if Alex was in there would they have won?

I hope this won't be the case but if the Niners fail to win it all this year, Harbaugh will have a huge target on his back and only a superbowl thereafter would maybe rid that target.

sucks for you that you got benched.

Yea, like no one was going to complain if we didn't make it to the super bowl with Alex Smith. The goal is the same, regardless of who is at qb.

Didn't know we should expect anything less than a Super Bowl win every year.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/38580/reflections-on-harbaughs-coaching-roots

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/tag/_/name/lindy-infante

Through four years at Michigan and seven more in the NFL, Jim Harbaugh had never seen anything like the offensive wrinkles his Indianapolis Colts were installing back in the 1990s. Coach Lindy Infante was teaching new and varied ways to read pass routes from a quarterback's perspective. The quarterback -- Harbaugh, in this case -- could take a three-step drop, survey his options to one side, then check out the other side on a five-step tempo, for example. It's routine stuff now, but it wasn't then. "I had never seen that before," Harbaugh said before the draft. "I didn't understand it." Harbaugh figured it out because that's what quarterbacks do. They adapt. They learn. They grow. With persistence and a little luck, they succeed. The San Francisco 49ers need all of the above from their newest quarterback.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/37279/kaepernick-a-qb-challenge-for-harbaugh




As much as Harbaugh is talked up as bringing the West Coast Offense "back" to the 49ers, the roots of his offense are with his former offensive coordinator and coach with the Colts, Lindy Infante. It is Infante's option-read passing system that Harbaugh has replicated at his various coaching stops, along with bits and pieces from various other coaches he was involved with, ranging from Bill Callahan, Marc Trestman, Marty Morhinweg, and others The essence of this offense has been its QB-friendly nature, quarterbacks such as Don Majkowski, Ken Anderson and Harbaugh had career years playing in infante's system. Infante's offensive tenets have as much or more sway in this system as Walsh's did and although they were quite varied systems, especially in their terminology, the effect often times was quite similar.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/124512283.html

"I realized it was my favorite offense when I played for Lindy Infante (1996-'97)," Harbaugh told the Sacramento Bee. "Different terminology than the West Coast, but it really was a West Coast offense. So that was a winning, proven system that I felt was the best system as a player and a coach."

I remember Lindy Infante from the Packers and then with the Colts. Very good, sound offensive mind, but unspectacular. Can put together an effective offense with very good to average players. Harbaugh isn't on the level of Infante. Both Infante and Harbaugh need a very good defense at their back because their offense isn't likely to be built with prolific passing attack.

Last yr, and then this yr, until getting concussed , alex had an average of around 220 yds passing and going 13 for 19, the boxscore receptions looked something like this:
Vernon 3 receptions(before Kap)
Crabs 2
Frank 2
Kyle 1(before injury)
Moss 1(this yr only)
manningham 2 (this yr only)
Delanie 1
Miller 1

That was 9 guys , 10 in one game, catching passes. Initially i thot that was odd, but one game, Celek walked alone into EZ for a TD and nobody even covered him. Ah-ha. Coach was onto something. Also he stated that by keeping all guys involved in game, they would all be more apt to pay attn thruout. I liked it.

Alex gets a concussion (while laying on the ground, no less), and enter Kap.

Since then, Crabs has become kap's favorite target, but the only other balls basically get thrown at (not to) vernon, rarely frank may get one, and with luck, moss gets one. Yes, delanie gets several chances and maybe catches one of 3.
The new boxscore now looks like this:
Crabs 7
vernon 1
moss 1
frank 1
Delanie 1
james 1
Sure, every game is a bit different, but this is a good capsule summary of who catches what. This is not what you want your boxscore to look like. It also means, that crabs is going to get doubled...every play.

Gone are the days when we had 9 or 10 guys catching the ball. True, manningham, hunter and kyle are out. So that is only 7 potential receivers..ok, 8 with james. Celek, rarely sees the ball, vernon goes days without a reception, or even seeing a bad ball thrown his way, frank gets an occasional pass, moss still gets his one. Miller, very good receiver, rarely gets a pass, james SHOULD be getting some passes. Basically when you look at the boxscores, Kap is essentially completing to crabs and no one else. I can't believe this is what JH envisioned. I think it just ended up this way because either Kap can't throw a touch pass, or he can't hit vernon...or Roman made a decision to just have 1 basic receiver and that was crabs. That is hard to believe, yet.... we are back to last yr's playoffs when we had only vernon and crabs, and crabs got one pass for 3 yrds in two playoff games. Vernon ended up being the one and only target..

Fast forward to the present, and now crabs is the only target, the difference being, Kap doesn't throw to anybody else. Where are the passes to miller, frank, james, celek, delanie(ok,maybe not), and vernon? As we all have noticed, they just aren't there. I put that directly on our vastly over rated OC, who apparently has changed our gameplan to Al Davis's extremely unsuccessful, "Just go long baby". If this is the kind of krappy game plan roman brings tonite, Our HC needs to cut off roman's microphone, grab his playcalling chart, and call the game himself. In the last 5 games, roman has been awful(NE excepted), and the above boxscores show reasons why. Kap won't have time for a 5 stepper, let alone a 7 stepper, so we need to throw WCO dinks and dunks. It will get the Pack off the LOS, also, allowing frank to run. But i don't see roman doing any of this, and altho Coach H did shut roman up in the Rams and SEA game, in both games it was too late, by the time he started calling plays.Give me JH calling our plays anyday, and just let roman go coach Jacksonville. Good luck JAX.

Whether Coach H thot this thru and realized what the Kap change brot along with it, I don't know...but i sincerely doubt it. This would be a very good time for JH to sit roman down and say, "look bubba, we are throwing to all our guys, and we are throwing passes we can complete...ie 1-2 steps and sling it". If Coach H does that I can see us winning. If not, GB blows us out of the tub. I think the overall impression that Kap has the BIG ARM has contributed to this, but it is the wrong way to go if we want to win. Big arm or not, kap has to throw the 3-5 yrd completions for us to win, esp on 1st and 2nd down,, and he needs to complete them to a bunch of different guys.. Roman had a good yr LAST yr. This yr, I think his mind is somewhere else...say Jacksonville?