Greg Roman, is he really good?

Originally posted by Niners_D:
The league went full on passing a few years back. The Ravens have countered with running the football behind big bodies on the o-line, TE, and FB to attack defenses stocked with smaller LB's designed to stop the pass. If appropriate personnel groupings to counter the pass-oriented defenses make him good then he's good. I'm certainly not going to argue that he's a top X's and O's guy...Especially if his plays look more like high school football than the pros.

But it is a gimmick offense that will be figured out soon enough. Unlike us with Jimmy once Roman's run game is figured and shut down Jackson wont be able to pass his way out of it. His pass completion percentage is down around 60%. When contained he will be very average.

Gotta give the dude some props. Creating a offense that nobody else is really doing based on his talent. That's a clear sign of a great coach. Not trying to make the player something he isn't. But making your style to fit him. I heard Ingram say that roman knows ppl can key in on his runs and they line up in things that they know teams have keyed in on and then run something totally different. He did a good job in Buffalo. Not sure if he's HC material but he's earned a shot.

Originally posted by lamontb:
Gotta give the dude some props. Creating a offense that nobody else is really doing based on his talent. That's a clear sign of a great coach. Not trying to make the player something he isn't. But making your style to fit him. I heard Ingram say that roman knows ppl can key in on his runs and they line up in things that they know teams have keyed in on and then run something totally different. He did a good job in Buffalo. Not sure if he's HC material but he's earned a shot.

The problem with the approach of building the team around one QB with a unique style is that when the QB gets injured the offense isn't going to work that well. What if Jackson, and I certainly don't wish it on him, tears an ACL? What happens to the offense then? Given that he is a running QB there is a higher chance of him suffering injury. It is a risky strategy by the Ravens even though it has been paying dividends this season.

This F'n meathead can down a box of Twinkies in seconds...he good. He damn good!

Well he's finally calling passing plays, I guess he'll sign cam when he finally gets his hc job this offseason

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

It helps when you have Vick 2.0

So having talent helps?

Lol i could look good if i got to coach Jackson. Good coaches can make average players good, he was pretty bad after Kap got figured out.

Originally posted by Goatie:
But it is a gimmick offense that will be figured out soon enough.Unlike us with Jimmy once Roman's run game is figured and shut down Jackson wont be able to pass his way out of it. His pass completion percentage is down around 60%. When contained he will be very average.

Greg Roman since 2011:

Rush offense: #8, #4, #3, #4, #1, #1, #1.

Seems like if it was going to be figured out... It would have by now.

Originally posted by Jcool:
Greg Roman since 2011:

Rush offense: #8, #4, #3, #4, #1, #1, #1.

Seems like if it was going to be figured out... It would have by now.

Plus they have a pretty decent Oline out there in Bmore. At the moment, none of the AFC teams look like they could beat Baltimore, maybe a few NFC teams could.

I still can't believe there isn't a way to slow it down. The chargers did it that one playoff game, maybe something they did might work again.

Originally posted by Debryune:

Plus they have a pretty decent Oline out there in Bmore. At the moment, none of the AFC teams look like they could beat Baltimore, maybe a few NFC teams could.

I still can't believe there isn't a way to slow it down. The chargers did it that one playoff game, maybe something they did might work again.

Roman wasn't the OC and they didn't have Ingram. The best way to slow that offense down is for Roman to go get a HC job elsewhere.

Originally posted by lamontb:

Gotta give the dude some props. Creating a offense that nobody else is really doing based on his talent. That's a clear sign of a great coach. Not trying to make the player something he isn't. But making your style to fit him. I heard Ingram say that roman knows ppl can key in on his runs and they line up in things that they know teams have keyed in on and then run something totally different. He did a good job in Buffalo. Not sure if he's HC material but he's earned a shot.

He's the best run game playcaller in football. He continually has produced Top 5 rushing attacks wherever he's been. You get Roman and back him up with a strong defense and you have a shot at the playoffs. It may not always be pretty but it undeniably works.


I was one of his harshest critics at one time but you just have to give the guy his props. While some coaches continually go back to the same well again and again..hello Norv Turner....Roman adapts his offense to the talent he has to work with. At a time when so much of the league is moving to more of a finesse approach, he's the very best at designing a creative, physical, bust you in the mouth ground-based attack that chews up clock and robs defenses of their will to fight back.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Gotta give the dude some props. Creating a offense that nobody else is really doing based on his talent. That's a clear sign of a great coach. Not trying to make the player something he isn't. But making your style to fit him. I heard Ingram say that roman knows ppl can key in on his runs and they line up in things that they know teams have keyed in on and then run something totally different. He did a good job in Buffalo. Not sure if he's HC material but he's earned a shot.

He's the best run game playcaller in football. He continually has produced Top 5 rushing attacks wherever he's been. You get Roman and back him up with a strong defense and you have a shot at the playoffs. It may not always be pretty but it undeniably works.

I was one of his harshest critics at one time but you just have to give the guy his props. While some coaches continually go back to the same well again and again..hello Norv Turner....Roman adapts his offense to the talent he has to work with. At a time when so much of the league is moving to more of a finesse approach, he's the very best at designing a creative, physical, bust you in the mouth ground-based attack that chews up clock and robs defenses of their will to fight back.

I think Roman has actually accomplished what many coaches fail. Adapting your approach based on what hasn't worked. However, I think this was done through the instinct of self preservation rather than waking up one day and deciding to not do what he did with the 49ers.

He's a different OC now... and props to him for growing and Jackson for providing him the talent needed to make the system work.

The Roman with the 49ers.... that dude is, and always will be, a stubborn brick head in the model of his Head Coach at the time.

Originally posted by Geeked:

I think Roman has actually accomplished what many coaches fail. Adapting your approach based on what hasn't worked. However, I think this was done through the instinct of self preservation rather than waking up one day and deciding to not do what he did with the 49ers.

He's a different OC now... and props to him for growing and Jackson for providing him the talent needed to make the system work.

The Roman with the 49ers.... that dude is, and always will be, a stubborn brick head in the model of his Head Coach at the time.

I think that had a lot to do with who the HC was.

"Put a brick wall in front of Jim and he'll run through it. Put that wall in front of John and he'll find three ways around it."

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Geeked:

I think Roman has actually accomplished what many coaches fail. Adapting your approach based on what hasn't worked. However, I think this was done through the instinct of self preservation rather than waking up one day and deciding to not do what he did with the 49ers.

He's a different OC now... and props to him for growing and Jackson for providing him the talent needed to make the system work.

The Roman with the 49ers.... that dude is, and always will be, a stubborn brick head in the model of his Head Coach at the time.

I think that had a lot to do with who the HC was.

"Put a brick wall in front of Jim and he'll run through it. Put that wall in front of John and he'll find three ways around it."

Clearly.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Roman wasn't the OC and they didn't have Ingram. The best way to slow that offense down is for Roman to go get a HC job elsewhere.

Panthers with Cam and McCaffrey

It has its weakness.

That offense can't score quickly. The Falcons superbowl team and the saints would smash that team.

Any high octane passing attack that can bury them quickly will slow them down because running the ball every play lacks big plays.

The niners shut them down pretty good but the play calling on offense wasn't good enough to put up more than 20 pts.