Greg Roman, is he really good?

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Roman wasn't the OC and they didn't have Ingram. The best way to slow that offense down is for Roman to go get a HC job elsewhere.

Panthers with Cam and McCaffrey

I can see this one big time he'd do wonders with both players

He will get figured out. His offense cuts off half the field. Once DC's and players have offseason to change things around a bit and create a solid rotation to half the field along with keeping the backside safe, Roman will be done.

Originally posted by Joecool:

He will get figured out. His offense cuts off half the field. Once DC's and players have offseason to change things around a bit and create a solid rotation to half the field along with keeping the backside safe, Roman will be done.

100%. Eventually teams will start keeping LJ in the pocket and take away the college style read option. Lamar is going to have to prove that he can deliver in the pocket like Wilson can. If not then the offense will become one dimensional.

Some dumbass team will hire him as HC

Originally posted by Joecool:

He will get figured out. His offense cuts off half the field. Once DC's and players have offseason to change things around a bit and create a solid rotation to half the field along with keeping the backside safe, Roman will be done.

Everywhere he goes, he has a top offense. If this claim had any merit, he would have been figured out years ago. He's a really good playcaller, especially when it comes to the run game. He won't get figured out anymore than Shanahan will.

Originally posted by Jiks:

100%. Eventually teams will start keeping LJ in the pocket and take away the college style read option. Lamar is going to have to prove that he can deliver in the pocket like Wilson can. If not then the offense will become one dimensional.

Its easy to say "well you just need to keep Lamar in the pocket." Now go ahead and do it.


Few teams have the personnel to pull it off. He's like a version of Christian McCaffrey that can also throw. Roman has wisely setup an offense that lets LJ be LJ but also continue to progress as a passer.


The thing that will probably slow him down the most will be Roman leaving to take a HC job.

Lamar in limited practice with a quad injury. Who da thunk it?


Good thing that they clinched the playoffs already..

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Geeked:
I think Roman has actually accomplished what many coaches fail. Adapting your approach based on what hasn't worked. However, I think this was done through the instinct of self preservation rather than waking up one day and deciding to not do what he did with the 49ers.

He's a different OC now... and props to him for growing and Jackson for providing him the talent needed to make the system work.

The Roman with the 49ers.... that dude is, and always will be, a stubborn brick head in the model of his Head Coach at the time.

I think that had a lot to do with who the HC was.

"Put a brick wall in front of Jim and he'll run through it. Put that wall in front of John and he'll find three ways around it."

Clearly.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
It has its weakness.

That offense can't score quickly. The Falcons superbowl team and the saints would smash that team.

Any high octane passing attack that can bury them quickly will slow them down because running the ball every play lacks big plays.

The niners shut them down pretty good but the play calling on offense wasn't good enough to put up more than 20 pts.

Weather and I think Emanuel wasn't 100% and I think McGlinchy was rusty etc... I.e. the offense played with some disadvantages in the Baltimore game and the 49ers still nearly pulled it out.

But I agree. This offense has it's weaknesses as you stated in your post.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Joecool:
He will get figured out. His offense cuts off half the field. Once DC's and players have offseason to change things around a bit and create a solid rotation to half the field along with keeping the backside safe, Roman will be done.

Everywhere he goes, he has a top offense. If this claim had any merit, he would have been figured out years ago. He's a really good playcaller, especially when it comes to the run game. He won't get figured out anymore than Shanahan will.

Roman's offense reminds me a bit of John Madden's Marv Hubbard/Van Eghan run you into the dirt offense.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Jiks:

100%. Eventually teams will start keeping LJ in the pocket and take away the college style read option. Lamar is going to have to prove that he can deliver in the pocket like Wilson can. If not then the offense will become one dimensional.

Its easy to say "well you just need to keep Lamar in the pocket." Now go ahead and do it.


Few teams have the personnel to pull it off. He's like a version of Christian McCaffrey that can also throw. Roman has wisely setup an offense that lets LJ be LJ but also continue to progress as a passer.


The thing that will probably slow him down the most will be Roman leaving to take a HC job.

You'll never completely take it away but you'll find means to limit it. These are professional coaches that spend entire off-seasons dedicated to stuff like this. It happened to Kaepernick it'll happen to LJ even though I feel LJ is more athletic and a better passer.

This is a college offense that is catching teams off guard. Teams are going to adapt and find weaknesses in this read option gimmick. Not only that but he's eventually going to get hit. There's not one QB I can think of that can sustain running as much as he does without injury.

Originally posted by Jiks:

You'll never completely take it away but you'll find means to limit it. These are professional coaches that spend entire off-seasons dedicated to stuff like this. It happened to Kaepernick it'll happen to LJ even though I feel LJ is more athletic and a better passer.

This is a college offense that is catching teams off guard. Teams are going to adapt and find weaknesses in this read option gimmick. Not only that but he's eventually going to get hit. There's not one QB I can think of that can sustain running as much as he does without injury.

Sala did an interesting thing against new orleans when they tried to run the RPO. He slanted the entire DLine to the RPO mesh point. It shut that particular play down. I'm thinking that will work against Lamar in the playoffs if we meet them again this season.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Jiks:
You'll never completely take it away but you'll find means to limit it. These are professional coaches that spend entire off-seasons dedicated to stuff like this. It happened to Kaepernick it'll happen to LJ even though I feel LJ is more athletic and a better passer.

This is a college offense that is catching teams off guard. Teams are going to adapt and find weaknesses in this read option gimmick. Not only that but he's eventually going to get hit. There's not one QB I can think of that can sustain running as much as he does without injury.

Sala did an interesting thing against new orleans when they tried to run the RPO. He slanted the entire DLine to the RPO mesh point. It shut that particular play down. I'm thinking that will work against Lamar in the playoffs if we meet them again this season.

That will help, but most importantly, make sure LJ doesn't get to the outside. The inside run is easier to deal with than Jackson on the edge.

Originally posted by Jiks:
You'll never completely take it away but you'll find means to limit it. These are professional coaches that spend entire off-seasons dedicated to stuff like this. It happened to Kaepernick it'll happen to LJ even though I feel LJ is more athletic and a better passer.

This is a college offense that is catching teams off guard. Teams are going to adapt and find weaknesses in this read option gimmick. Not only that but he's eventually going to get hit. There's not one QB I can think of that can sustain running as much as he does without injury.

I thought it only happened to Kaep because Roman left and Geep Chryst and Tomusla tried to make him a pocket passer.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Jiks:

You'll never completely take it away but you'll find means to limit it. These are professional coaches that spend entire off-seasons dedicated to stuff like this. It happened to Kaepernick it'll happen to LJ even though I feel LJ is more athletic and a better passer.

This is a college offense that is catching teams off guard. Teams are going to adapt and find weaknesses in this read option gimmick. Not only that but he's eventually going to get hit. There's not one QB I can think of that can sustain running as much as he does without injury.

I thought it only happened to Kaep because Roman left and Geep Chryst and Tomusla tried to make him a pocket passer.

Good point. I thought kaep was making slow progress as a pocket passer when Harbaugh left. That and Baalkes's failure to draft WRs worth anything.