Greg Roman, is he really good?

Originally posted by 190836:

Originally posted by Eastcoastniner:
can we have two seperate offensive coordinators haha one for passing and one for rushing?

Didn't they have it at stanford when JH was the coach?

Is this a serious question? Because the answer is that we ALREADY have 2 "coordinators" just like Stanford.

Greg Roman schemes running plays

Geep Chryst schemes passing plays

Roman calls the plays in-game, same way it was at Stanford only I believe it was David Shaw who was the 2nd coordinator with Roman.

The thing that drives me nuts is that Kap is getting most of the blame, but this is the same crap we have seen for three years. News flash, Kap was not the QB for these 3 years, yet the results are the same because defensive coordinators with any kind of merit routinely lock this offense up. I keep hearing about how great Roman is at calling run plays, but with this personnel, I don't think there were be much of a drop off if he left. The passing offense needs to improve. Teams that pass well win in this new style of NFL.

Originally posted by 190836:

Originally posted by aTx49er:

Originally posted by 190836:

Originally posted by Eastcoastniner:
can we have two seperate offensive coordinators haha one for passing and one for rushing?

Didn't they have it at stanford when JH was the coach?

Who?

Didn't Roman call the running plays and Shaw the passing plays for JH at Stanford? Just asking.

Yeah I forgot about that. He was the offensive co-coordinator. Not sure if it was just for passing though.

didnt know how much geep was involved in the game plan...sorry you didnt approve of my question

Originally posted by sfout:

Originally posted by 190836:

Originally posted by Eastcoastniner:
can we have two seperate offensive coordinators haha one for passing and one for rushing?

Didn't they have it at stanford when JH was the coach?

Is this a serious question? Because the answer is that we ALREADY have 2 "coordinators" just like Stanford.

Greg Roman schemes running plays

Geep Chryst schemes passing plays

Roman calls the plays in-game, same way it was at Stanford only I believe it was David Shaw who was the 2nd coordinator with Roman.

Well you cleared it for me. Cause I wasn't sure about the play calling scheme. I heard that when JH was with Stanford, Roman Schemed the running plays and Shaw the passing, but I wasn't sure.

Originally posted by TheRatMan13:
Completely agree. Instead of all this garbage about what our players can or cannot do, why are we not asking the questions about why our OC does not put them in positions to do these things well?

These are just a few things that I think would upgrade the offense immediately:

- More bootleg pass plays for Kap

- Screens to the RB to counter the blitz. Running it one time in a game will not work. Clearly, the teams beating the Niners are sending the house, so make them pay multiple times and they will slow down or gas out when their D linemen are chasing shifty backs and receivers down field.

- Dump off passes to RBs. Gore and Bruce Miller have good hands. Hunter and James both have great burst after the catch. Use these things!


These are all very simple things that Harbaugh and Roman could implement for when the game plan does not go exactly the way they draw it up, and I would be willing to bet that these types of plays would open up the regular types of plays they like to call. There is just no creativity in the passing offense, and if a defense sends pressure, the Niners never make them pay for it. When was the last time you saw a 49er receiver or RB catch a short pass and take it to the house?

if they looked at the personnel and said ok

boldin you are the quick hit guy. and tight catch guy

manningham we throw it to you quick or slant or if there is time intermediate

vernon we play action and deep to you

macdonald we play action and intermediate to you. and red zone you.

james/hunter we give you creases and screens

gore we run with power.

kap we give you minimum 3 options with a dump off option every single passing attempt.

and is there any reason we don't run tempo?

He's good at slamming pizza and cheesecake, that's about it

Originally posted by jonesadrian:
if they looked at the personnel and said ok

boldin you are the quick hit guy. and tight catch guy

manningham we throw it to you quick or slant or if there is time intermediate

vernon we play action and deep to you

macdonald we play action and intermediate to you. and red zone you.

james/hunter we give you creases and screens

gore we run with power.

kap we give you minimum 3 options with a dump off option every single passing attempt.

and is there any reason we don't run tempo?

C'mon man, you're asking Roman to think too much while stuffing his fat face with food! He's too busy thinking of faking "75 formations" before snapping the ball

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

if they looked at the personnel and said ok

boldin you are the quick hit guy. and tight catch guy

manningham we throw it to you quick or slant or if there is time intermediate

vernon we play action and deep to you

macdonald we play action and intermediate to you. and red zone you.

james/hunter we give you creases and screens

gore we run with power.

kap we give you minimum 3 options with a dump off option every single passing attempt.

and is there any reason we don't run tempo?

C'mon man, you're asking Roman to think too much while stuffing his fat face with food! He's too busy thinking of faking "75 formations" before snapping the ball

This is what drives me crazy! That and Kaep taking the play clock down to 1 second trying to draw them offsides

Originally posted by TheRatMan13:
Completely agree. Instead of all this garbage about what our players can or cannot do, why are we not asking the questions about why our OC does not put them in positions to do these things well?

These are just a few things that I think would upgrade the offense immediately:

- More bootleg pass plays for Kap

- Screens to the RB to counter the blitz. Running it one time in a game will not work. Clearly, the teams beating the Niners are sending the house, so make them pay multiple times and they will slow down or gas out when their D linemen are chasing shifty backs and receivers down field.

- Dump off passes to RBs. Gore and Bruce Miller have good hands. Hunter and James both have great burst after the catch. Use these things!


These are all very simple things that Harbaugh and Roman could implement for when the game plan does not go exactly the way they draw it up, and I would be willing to bet that these types of plays would open up the regular types of plays they like to call. There is just no creativity in the passing offense, and if a defense sends pressure, the Niners never make them pay for it. When was the last time you saw a 49er receiver or RB catch a short pass and take it to the house?

This all makes too much sense for the coaches it seems. Not clever enough, gotta try a Hail Mary pass to the backup OT instead.

Originally posted by 190836:
Didn't they have it at stanford when JH was the coach?

Yes, Roman was the running game coordinator, Shaw was the passing game coordinator. In the end, I wish Marc Trestman had accepted Harbaugh's offer to be offensive coordinator, this passing offense would be like night and day with someone who actually knows how to call an exciting and creative passing AND running offense.

the offense lost when we didn't go for it on 4th down on the goal line

jim not having faith in the line and gore to get 1 yard for 1st and goal sent the message he doesn't believe in them.

Originally posted by sfout:
Is this a serious question? Because the answer is that we ALREADY have 2 "coordinators" just like Stanford.

Greg Roman schemes running plays

Geep Chryst schemes passing plays

Roman calls the plays in-game, same way it was at Stanford only I believe it was David Shaw who was the 2nd coordinator with Roman.

Except we know Chryst is terrible too. One of the things he got lambasted for as OC of the Chargers was his lack of creativity in the passing offense and getting away from running the ball.

Originally posted by jimrat:

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:
if they looked at the personnel and said ok

boldin you are the quick hit guy. and tight catch guy

manningham we throw it to you quick or slant or if there is time intermediate

vernon we play action and deep to you

macdonald we play action and intermediate to you. and red zone you.

james/hunter we give you creases and screens

gore we run with power.

kap we give you minimum 3 options with a dump off option every single passing attempt.

and is there any reason we don't run tempo?

C'mon man, you're asking Roman to think too much while stuffing his fat face with food! He's too busy thinking of faking "75 formations" before snapping the ball

This is what drives me crazy! That and Kaep taking the play clock down to 1 second trying to draw them offsides

Doing more damage to our offense than to their defense

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Except we know Chryst is terrible too. One of the things he got lambasted for as OC of the Chargers was his lack of creativity in the passing offense and getting away from running the ball.

then why do we hold on to these people?

the arrogance this staff displays is horrible at times.

3 losses 3 exact same scripts

will it take 20 losses the same way for them to get it?

why havent' we run the type of passing offense we ran in game 1... straight up traditional?

none of it makes sense.