Greg Roman, is he really good?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
not a lot roman and harbaugh can do when kap can't make multiple reads

b******t.

He was making multiple reads just fine last season throughout the playoffs, people just want to harp on the buzzword of the day.



He had no problem going through his progressions and getting the ball out to whomever was open at the time. You can go back to the Atlanta game and see multiple examples of him doing that very well, looking off the safety and making throws into the openings in coverage. He routinely got complimented for his ability to go through his progressions and make the right throw, its not something that he just forgot all of a sudden, I consider it a combination of poor coaching trying to mold him into something he isn't, poor playcalling and him simply not trusting anyone else other than VD and Boldin to come up with the ball.

when his first read isn't there, he stares down the rush and doesn't go to his next read. it's time to accept it man, no excuses.

trent dilfer and greg cossell both examined the film and had the same criticisms of kap.

http://www.stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=851&c=4831&f=2088053

Roman occasionally gets away from the run game when he shouldn't... but he's not so bad. Just being scapegoated lately. Easy to blame the coaching when the execution sucks.

Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Roman occasionally gets away from the run game when he shouldn't... but he's not so bad. Just being scapegoated lately. Easy to blame the coaching when the execution sucks.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
when his first read isn't there, he stares down the rush and doesn't go to his next read. it's time to accept it man, no excuses.

trent dilfer and greg cossell both examined the film and had the same criticisms of kap.

http://www.stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=851&c=4831&f=2088053

Talking about one bad game isn't the same thing as saying he can't make multiple reads, people damn well know he can, its interesting you brought up Cosell since last season he was one of the guys complimenting Kaepernick on his ability to go through his progressions properly. You don't just forget how to do that, like I said, either this coaching staff has over-coached Kaepernick and is trying to mold him into something he isn't, which I think has merit judging by how reluctant he seemed to just take off and run earlier in the season, rather than letting him be himself, the way Seattle does with Wilson, or Kaepernick simply doesn't trust any of his other options beyond VD and Boldin.

on the kaep and 1 read thing, i've seen him go through progressions before, then other i've seen him lock onto one and look to bail if it isnt there. he can do it but doesnt do it on a regular basis in my opinion.

^ I think dude in Kaep thread nailed it recently... 2012 Kaep was relaxed and having fun. He needs to relax... trust his guys.. and play loose. He seems to be tightly wound and the hesitation/indecision leads to mistakes and ineptness. Put that boy on some legal anxiety relief!

Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:

^ I think dude in Kaep thread nailed it recently... 2012 Kaep was relaxed and having fun. He needs to relax... trust his guys.. and play loose. He seems to be tightly wound and the hesitation/indecision leads to mistakes and ineptness. Put that boy on some legal anxiety relief!

I agree with you here. I don't doubt that he is staring down the rush because I have seen it several times. I think he is out there thinking more than just playing and reacting.

The BS about one read is exactly that, BS.

Just last year he was praised over and over for his ability to throw guys open and to go through his reads.

Like Phoenix said, you don't just forgot how to do that.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

not a lot roman and harbaugh can do when kap can't make multiple reads

The excuses made to remove the coaches from blame is unbelievable. It is a flat out lie to say Kap can't make multiple reads considering that it has never been a weakness for him at any point in his career. Right now, I think it's more of a trust issue with the rest of the receivers that are not Boldin or VD. He needs to trust his receivers more to make the play. But to say he cannot progress through reads is not true.

Kap has played poorly at times but do not for one second excuse the coaches from blame - they have been just as poor and deserve just as much blame if not more, Roman in particular. Take away his bag of tricks and gimmicks, he is thoroughly mediocre. Challenge him, he'll shrink and wet the bed. Third time this season we've faced a legit play off team and he's unprepared, his play calling is poor, and has designed a terrible game plans; his inability to make adjustments is f**king frustrating. I'm not sure who designs the passing plays but whoever is doing it does a piss poor job - I've seen better, more imaginative and creative passing attacking in college than this trash passing game we've been unfortunately witnessing. f**king pathetic.

Originally posted by crabman82:
on the kaep and 1 read thing, i've seen him go through progressions before, then other i've seen him lock onto one and look to bail if it isnt there. he can do it but doesnt do it on a regular basis in my opinion.

exactly

And as I am commenting in this thread I am watching two terrible teams on MNF finding ways to get no-name players involved. These offenses look like they have much more flow than the niner offense.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
when his first read isn't there, he stares down the rush and doesn't go to his next read. it's time to accept it man, no excuses.

trent dilfer and greg cossell both examined the film and had the same criticisms of kap.

http://www.stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=851&c=4831&f=2088053

Talking about one bad game isn't the same thing as saying he can't make multiple reads, people damn well know he can, its interesting you brought up Cosell since last season he was one of the guys complimenting Kaepernick on his ability to go through his progressions properly. You don't just forget how to do that, like I said, either this coaching staff has over-coached Kaepernick and is trying to mold him into something he isn't, which I think has merit judging by how reluctant he seemed to just take off and run earlier in the season, rather than letting him be himself, the way Seattle does with Wilson, or Kaepernick simply doesn't trust any of his other options beyond VD and Boldin.

he has gone through his progressions, and he has stared down his first read. the point is he doesn't go through his progressions consistently enough. kap isn't infallible, he's young and like Cossell said, he's going through a massive learning curve. is he going to have more awesome games this season? yes. will he struggle at times like he did vs Carolina? yes.

Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
^ I think dude in Kaep thread nailed it recently... 2012 Kaep was relaxed and having fun. He needs to relax... trust his guys.. and play loose. He seems to be tightly wound and the hesitation/indecision leads to mistakes and ineptness. Put that boy on some legal anxiety relief!

I've been saying that he was way over-coached this offseason. He keeps giving that deer in the headlights look which tells me he is thinking, not reacting and playing his game, last season he was reacting, making plays, running around, improvising, getting it done. He was absolutely fearless. Once I saw him be uncharacteristically reluctant to take off and run when he had opening's in the Green Bay game, it was a good clue that he had people in his ear, telling him not to run and who knows what else,maybe they want Kaepernick to be a pure pocket passer and that just isn't his game right now.


The Seahawks let Wilson be Wilson, I'm not so sure the 49ers are letting Kaepernick be himself and so he's doubting himself, thinking over it, not sure of himself...etc.

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

and the problem is the play calling because every single one of our 3 backs is deadly catching passes out of the backfield and operating in space. that is in fact 2 of the 3 rb's strength. hunter with his 4.4 speed and james with his 4.3 speed on a linebacker= mismatch.

they scheme but they don't take advantage of clear mismatches we have week in and week out.

we should have made the panthers linebackers defend our rb and te and the game would have opened up.

the panthers secondary is actually their weak point. but if they can play off 10 yards while we get blitzed they look all world with our wr running to them instead of stopping in front of them

Thank You! Great post.

Originally posted by crabman82:

Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Roman occasionally gets away from the run game when he shouldn't... but he's not so bad. Just being scapegoated lately. Easy to blame the coaching when the execution sucks.

not going for it on fourth and one from the two when you supposedly have the best run blocking game in the nfl is on execution??. sorry you can spin it but when we lose games and get out coached that has nothing to do with execution, the dots connect and the roads lead to roman who is happily enabled by JH. to fire roman would mean Jh made a mistake and we just can not have that now can we?

Originally posted by TheRatMan13:
I agree with you here. I don't doubt that he is staring down the rush because I have seen it several times. I think he is out there thinking more than just playing and reacting.

The BS about one read is exactly that, BS.

Just last year he was praised over and over for his ability to throw guys open and to go through his reads.

Like Phoenix said, you don't just forgot how to do that.

exactly
he's proven he can do it he's done it before so the notion he can't is just the keyword out here to control the perception. same way he got the pistol tag and the read option tag while seattle runs it and has run it twice as much as us.

how when he and rg3 and wilson run its dangerous and somehow a detriment but let luck scramble for 10 yards then its he is so athletic and underrated.

the only way to stop the stuff is for him to be on his game all game every game.you cannot take a play or a game off and you have to execute

i think in his quest to be perfect he makes mistakes. he should get back to care free confidence knowing he can do it and going out there and making it happen as the leader of the team.