Jeff Garcia: Overrated or Underrated?

Somebody has a massive man crush on Terrell Owens and is butthurt over the fact that Bryant Young didn't think he was a team player. And of course, Young wasn't the only one who felt that way. Let's see. Who else thinks TO was a horrible team mate. Oh, I know. EVERYONE! NFL Historian, don't cry. You can still sit and watch hours and hours of TO on reality television. It's very entertaining in a sleazy tabloid kind of way.

Originally posted by NFLHistorian:

>Riiight which is why you have been banned from every stinking Niners site on the net? Maybe you've grown up some, but based on your most recent posts I doubt it.

No, I get banned because I say things mods who take themselves too seriously don't agree with. I don't respect their pathetic "internet authority" that they wave around like a badge.

You get banned because you force it. I did not want to ban you but just like your previous incarnations you just post to irritate, not to discuss. If you acted this was in a bar discussion someone would react by bottling you, so I very much doubt you do it in person. Just because you are safe from any reaction doesn't make your over-emotive harangues right. You are entitled to your opinions but what you forget is that others are entitled to theirs.

You know your football. You always did. So how about trying to get on with people and having discussions rather than lecturing them?

By the way TO was good but you overrate him. And BY was a superb player and you seriously underrate him. Now stop for a second. Does the fact that I think this and you think the opposite really matter? Does it impact on either of these two great players careers? Of course not! They are just opinions. Worth getting banned because you insist on thrusting them down people's throats? Your call.

By the way, power hungry people do other things. We just want a quiet life which is why you keep getting banned.

See you next time.

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Jeff Garcias very own Happy Feet Football Camp. How cute.

I don't think he is overrated but I also don't think he is underrated either. Jeff was a system QB and he played very well within the WCO. I really liked him when he played for the Niners but when he played for Cleveland he was exposed as a system QB. I wish he could have played for the Niners longer but his cap number was going to be 9-10 mil at the time if I remember right, which was pretty high at that time, and he refused to take a pay cut. With our cap situation at the time it was tough to be able to keep him.

Originally posted by 9erReign:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Jeff Garcias very own Happy Feet Football Camp. How cute.

Really because I think it'd be a great little camp for Alex.

Terrell Owens? Great athlete, but nothing even within shouting distance of what you'd call good hands. Over the course of his last three active seasons, Owens had a 12.41% drop rate which was the sixth worst drop rate in the entire NFL - he had a better drop rate than FIVE receivers - that's at the bottom of the pack, people. Now, this was a huge career-long problem for Owens. Niner fans must remember that even in his most famous game with his last second pass against the Packers, he had been stinking up the game all day and it would have never been that close without all his drive-killing drops.

Sorry, double post.

When I think back to Garcia, I think he was a good but limited QB that overachieved. He reminds me of a better version of Shaun Hill. Of course, Garcia was in a much better situation than Hill had. So, I guess I never really viewed Garcia as a very good starter, but a decent one. He was a scrappy guy that sometimes impressed me.. but in many ways, made me .

Overall, I liked the guy.. liked his heart and effort. At the time, I sure didn't like the idea of paying him the money he wanted to remain with us. It would have been nice to allow Alex some years on the bench though.

... but ultimately, I thought Garcia was okay, but pretty much a distant thought at this point.

And I truly adored Bryant Young, who is easily in my top 10 of favorite Niners ever.

Man, Garcia was great. Totally overshadowed and under-appreciated. Actually, as far as underrated/overlooked QBs go. He'd have an argument as one of the best. Of course that would depend on how you define that term.

He was just a gamer, and I don't think anyone really took him that seriously. Too close to Steve and Joe, I never felt like people where like, "Ok now it's your turn Jeff." But even smith got that treatment. We were so spoiled to have such great QBs, that we werent' able to appreciate, or even realize, a good one unless they were hoisting Lombardies.

Someday, only appropriate when Alex's career is over, I predict we'll have an Alex vs. Jeff thread. A lot will depend on Alex's success from here on out. I think Garcia proved he was a great QB regardless of organization team.

@Mr.Mcgibblets:

I agree with that assessment. Garcia was an absolute gamer. Limited in a couple of ways, but he had a real good sense of how to play the game. He did at times seem like he had major happy feet, but I don't think it was a fear thing. I think he was just hyper and kind of jerky. But he had something going for him - some real fine intangibles. And, I agree on the parting issue with the Niners. It wasn't that they didn't like him. It was that they didn't like him at the price he was demanding. And, let's not forget that he went elsewhere and got the price he wanted. He was a classic journeyman.

Ask Warren Sapp what he thought of BY. He said one of the very best and most overrated

Sorry - I meant Sapp said BY was most Underrated.

Originally posted by GNielsen:
@Mr.Mcgibblets:

I agree with that assessment. Garcia was an absolute gamer. Limited in a couple of ways, but he had a real good sense of how to play the game. He did at times seem like he had major happy feet, but I don't think it was a fear thing. I think he was just hyper and kind of jerky. But he had something going for him - some real fine intangibles. And, I agree on the parting issue with the Niners. It wasn't that they didn't like him. It was that they didn't like him at the price he was demanding. And, let's not forget that he went elsewhere and got the price he wanted. He was a classic journeyman.

I used to think the same, but now I think because he doesn't have the typical height for the position and an average, serviceable arm throwing the ball, he tends to shuffle and move closer to the side he's going to throw the ball. To lessen the angle and distance between him and the receiver. He just does it more often than what QBs are taught to do. The jump pass gives him more of a whipping motion to drive the ball.

Jeff wasn't a pocket passer. But he does have a lot of 'pocket presence' moving around behind his linemen and defenders coming at him. It's amazing to me that he never had any significant injuries during his playing time... not that I remember. Small size --plays bigger. Garcia was one of the best undersized qb in recent times. Like Flutie and now Russell Wilson.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I used to think the same, but now I think because he doesn't have the typical height for the position and an average, serviceable arm throwing the ball, he tends to shuffle and move closer to the side he's going to throw the ball. To lessen the angle and distance between him and the receiver. He just does it more often than what QBs are taught to do. The jump pass gives him more of a whipping motion to drive the ball.

Jeff wasn't a pocket passer. But he does have a lot of 'pocket presence' moving around behind his linemen and defenders coming at him. It's amazing to me that he never had any significant injuries during his playing time... not that I remember. Small size --plays bigger. Garcia was one of the best undersized qb in recent times. Like Flutie and now Russell Wilson.

I'd say it was a mix of the trio.. happy feet at times when threatened... maximizing his limitations at times.. and then smart evasive tactics to keep a play alive at times. But hey, that comes from my recollection from many beers.. uhm.. years ago.

I'll never say anything negative about #5 ,,,that comeback against the Giants in the playoffs is one of my alltime favorite games