Michael Crabtree Thread

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by CWin4949:
His great hands can't be denied and he's proven to bail Kap out on less than perfect throws, but I wouldn't give him crazy money.

It would probably help Kaps development if he didn't have Crabtree to over focus on.

Agree.

I'm not so sure about that. Did the 11 weeks without Crabtree help in Kap's development? I don't think it did. All it did was hurt the offense and make things more difficult on Kap.

Look at Tom Brady's first 8 games of the season with a depleted WR core. 6 out of 8 games his QB rating was sub-80, and his comp % fell under 60 %. His numbers were brutal. We're talking about one of the all-time greats here. QBs need their playmakers on the field.

Wide Receiver is quickly becoming one of the most misunderstood/under appreciated positions. A lot of people think teams can just plug in anybody with decent hands and speed at WR without a problem. Terms like "replaceable" or "disposable" get tossed around far too often when it comes to pass catchers. Get rid of Crabtree this team will suffer tremendously...

Originally posted by SaksV:
Wide Receiver is quickly becoming one of the most misunderstood/under appreciated positions. A lot of people think teams can just plug in anybody with decent hands and speed at WR without a problem. Terms like "replaceable" or "disposable" get tossed around far too often when it comes to pass catchers. Get rid of Crabtree this team will suffer tremendously...

Agree. You would think that should be obvious to people after watching the passing game flutter without him. Apparently not.

we'll get it done with Crabs. I'm betting just below $10M/year. Say 5 years, 48M or so.

Injured his foot soph year at Texas tech
Had a stress fracture during his pro-day
Broke his foot again pre-season of 2011 and missed all games (pre-season games)
2012 was his great year
2013- we all know his achilles story

He is going into his 5th year with 1 1000+ yrd season
Has yet to break 10td for one season

To me, he is worth 5-6 mil a year.
Nothing more

Hes a good receiver and good for this system and hes built up good chemistry with our QB but he is not worth elite money. Hes injured every season never plays in pre season due to injuries never has a full training camp due to injuries except for one time. Hes not particularly big or fast. Hes a good fit for this offense and the Niners will offer him a more than fair deal. He will be offered what hes worth if he demands more than that good luck you know where the door is.

Originally posted by Quest4six:
Injured his foot soph year at Texas tech
Had a stress fracture during his pro-day
Broke his foot again pre-season of 2011 and missed all games (pre-season games)
2012 was his great year
2013- we all know his achilles story

He is going into his 5th year with 1 1000+ yrd season
Has yet to break 10td for one season

To me, he is worth 5-6 mil a year.
Nothing more

he's getting more than that though for sure

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by CWin4949:
His great hands can't be denied and he's proven to bail Kap out on less than perfect throws, but I wouldn't give him crazy money.

It would probably help Kaps development if he didn't have Crabtree to over focus on.

Agree.

I'm not so sure about that. Did the 11 weeks without Crabtree help in Kap's development? I don't think it did. All it did was hurt the offense and make things more difficult on Kap.

Look at Tom Brady's first 8 games of the season with a depleted WR core. 6 out of 8 games his QB rating was sub-80, and his comp % fell under 60 %. His numbers were brutal. We're talking about one of the all-time greats here. QBs need their playmakers on the field.

Because he can only see 1 read. And his 1 read was not out there. Sooner or later he will need to look at the whole field though like a wide open Quinton Patton in the NFC Championship game instead of forcing it to Crabtree who was covered like a glove. Every year it's the same. He talks about how much he trusts crab, he will always take crab one on one and he throws it to the right corner of the endzone. 2 seasons came to a screeching halt like that.

Originally posted by Quest4six:
Injured his foot soph year at Texas tech
Had a stress fracture during his pro-day
Broke his foot again pre-season of 2011 and missed all games (pre-season games)
2012 was his great year
2013- we all know his achilles story

He is going into his 5th year with 1 1000+ yrd season
Has yet to break 10td for one season

To me, he is worth 5-6 mil a year.
Nothing more

This is totally it. People are being delusional. Like he is always healthy (not) and always productive (not).

Crabtree is very good. Having said that there are a lot of other guys that i'd rather have. Id be uncomfortable paying him more than Boldin.

If Sidney Rice can get a $8M/year contract with injuries, Crabtree can probably get $9-$10M.

But I'm not worried. I have trust in this front office. Look at the players they refused to pay their market value

- Isaac Sopoaga, got traded and eventually cut in his first season on a different team.
- Ricky Jean-Francois, had a solid season but not worth the money he is getting from the Colts.
- Dashon Goldson, need I say more?
- Adam Snyder, signed a big contract with the Cards, got cut after one season, and signed back with SF
- Josh Morgan, signed a decent sized contract with the Skins, and fell down the depth chart and wasn't resigned.

Delanie Walker earned his pay check, and we shall see if Whitner earns his check. But for all the players in previous years, 5/6 times being right is a very good track record.

I really don't think it's a difficult decision, time for Crabtree to put up or you know.... He ain't good enough to overpay, healthy or not, this is already clear

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by CWin4949:
His great hands can't be denied and he's proven to bail Kap out on less than perfect throws, but I wouldn't give him crazy money.

It would probably help Kaps development if he didn't have Crabtree to over focus on.

Agree.

I'm not so sure about that. Did the 11 weeks without Crabtree help in Kap's development? I don't think it did. All it did was hurt the offense and make things more difficult on Kap.

Look at Tom Brady's first 8 games of the season with a depleted WR core. 6 out of 8 games his QB rating was sub-80, and his comp % fell under 60 %. His numbers were brutal. We're talking about one of the all-time greats here. QBs need their playmakers on the field.

Because he can only see 1 read. And his 1 read was not out there. Sooner or later he will need to look at the whole field though like a wide open Quinton Patton in the NFC Championship game instead of forcing it to Crabtree who was covered like a glove. Every year it's the same. He talks about how much he trusts crab, he will always take crab one on one and he throws it to the right corner of the endzone. 2 seasons came to a screeching halt like that.

NO...just...no.

Did he stop throwing to Boldin and Davis after Crabtree came back? No he did not. If he was just a 1 one read QB, like you claim, they would have been phased out of the offense. That's not what happened. Crabtree returning expanded the offense to 3 viable receiving threats, instead of just 2. Boldin and Davis still got their targets, as did Crabtree. That made a big difference. The more viable threats, the more you can spread the ball around effectively.

Funny how you don't even touch on Brady's struggles, because that throws your 1-read theory right out the window. Brady clearly is not a 1-read QB, and he struggled mightily with an injury-depleted receiving unit.

Your simplistic take on everything is laughable. There is no depth or substance to any of your posts.

I can swear that the majority of WebZone posters are part owners of the Niners. Why else would they wanted to hold on to the money and keep the payroll down so badly?

We have been a top five team since Harbaugh came three years ago yet according to the posters here, no more than one or two players we have deserve top five pay. Seems like you guys want a Super Bowl team but are only willing to have a payroll at half the cap. Don't you guys know that ain't gonna happen? You're living in a fantasy world.

I don't want to add gas to the fire and I'm not going to pull all the numbers, but the numbers will show production obviously went down for Boldin and Davis once Crabtree returned to the offense, which would obviously happen, but I think the numbers for Davis were ridiculously lower than they were prior to Crabtrees return.

I don't think the problem is as much Kap not reading the field (though this has been proven to be a problem for Kap) but I think Kap feels pressure to target Crabtree from Crabtree on the practice field and during games. Speculation??? 100% yes! but if you replay the critical times in each playoff game! Crabtrees targets went up.

Wether it's pressure from Crabtree, or just a false sense of security, Kap needs to reach a level where it doesn't matter who his target is, as long as it's the correct read.

I think time will show he can reach that level, so the more options he's forced to use, the further his ceiling will go up.