RB Carlos Hyde Thread

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Oh, sorry. I came in here thinking this was the Carlos Hyde thread but I guess it has morphed into the Saquon Barkley thread. So if I go to the Saquon Barkley thread in the Draft War Room, will the discussion be all about Carlos Hyde?

Talking about how to replace Hyde has been going on for awhile. It's just now most have accepted Hyde is likely gone.

Originally posted by BudValentino:

I guess if your Mike Ditka you would give up those kind of picks to move up.( see Ricky Williams) I don't think the 49ers are that stupid nor is it going to cost as much as you say. Hell the 49ers could use C.J. Beathard as a added piece in the trade, he now has value and he's better than what Cleveland has now. The 49ers are in a great position to do a deal, without damaging the future.

Dude that's the value to move up....sorry if that doesn't make sense but teams aren't gonna take a 3rd rd pick to move down 7 spots, especially when it's for the best player in the draft.

CJ lol oh okay.... teams are gonna pass up on Darnold/Rosen and then pass on Barkley SO they can draft at 10, grab a 3rd rd pick, and get CJ beathard

Unbelievable

Originally posted by dj43:
Demarco Murray gets $6.3M/yr. That should be the starting point for Hyde. He's younger and a better receiver coming out of the backfield.

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Originally posted by tjd808185:

NE's rb's had 200 combined yards 2 TD's v Ten. It's all about the passing game though and Barkley is a beast at receiver. Not enough to trade away a draft but he'd be well worth the 9th pick should a miracle happen.

Oh yeah if he's there at 9 no doubt, not gonna happen imo.

A good running game is important to kyle's system and getting the play-action rolling as well.

Originally posted by JimmyJesus:

He'll get 7 mil IMO

And unfortunately SF most likely isn't gonna pay him that.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JimmyJesus:
He'll get 7 mil IMO

And unfortunately SF most likely isn't gonna pay him that.

Demarco Murray, Lamar Miller and Chris Ivory all make mid-$6M, and Hyde is better than all of them. (Guys just below those are Giovanni Bernard and Latavius Murray and they are not even the main guy on their team.)

If SF doesn't go at least that high, then Hyde will almost certainly walk.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Niner4ever:
No to Barkley running backs have had little impact in these playoffs.

It's all about having a good quarterback and beast defenses. We have 1 now concentrate the picks on the other.

NE's rb's had 200 combined yards 2 TD's v Ten. It's all about the passing game though and Barkley is a beast at receiver. Not enough to trade away a draft but he'd be well worth the 9th pick should a miracle happen.

And neither was a top pick.

White drafted 130th.
Lewis drafted 149th.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by Niner4ever:
No to Barkley running backs have had little impact in these playoffs.

It's all about having a good quarterback and beast defenses. We have 1 now concentrate the picks on the other.

Yeah fournettes 3 TDs and 100+ yards were worthless against the steelers

They're not worthless but, just to give you some perspective TJ Yeldon average 4.0 yards a carry and 1 TD in his time in the game.

I doubt they win the Super Bowl running the ball. The league has changed and playoff defenses stop the run.

Originally posted by WestCoastForever:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by Niner4ever:
No to Barkley running backs have had little impact in these playoffs.

It's all about having a good quarterback and beast defenses. We have 1 now concentrate the picks on the other.

Yeah fournettes 3 TDs and 100+ yards were worthless against the steelers

It's about balance and game awareness. Without a substantial running game that can occupy 35-45 percent of the play, the defenders can devote their resources into defending the pass. With KS's scheme of stealth between pass and run, having an effective running game allows the air attack to be more effective.

You make a good point. And, that is why it's important to invest in the O- line. A couple of decent backs are found every year in the middle or later rounds. Running backs are as good as the holes the offensive line provides.

I suggested this previously and now I think it's an even better suggestion than before:

Isaiah Crowell, 25, is one of four Cleveland Browns scheduled to become unrestricted free agents and, as discussed during the "No Huddle" podcast, he may be a good fit within Shanahan's offense.

"He actually had a pretty good year when was under Kyle Shanahan's offense in Cleveland," Naqvi said. "I think that would be a good addition to this squad ... Crowell makes a lot of sense because he knows the system."

Shanahan was the offensive coordinator in Cleveland during Crowell's rookie season (2014). During that year, he appeared in all 16 games, started four, and carried the football 148 times for 607 yards. His eight touchdowns that season remain a career-high.

While 2017 was Hyde's first season as a starter without missing games due to injury, Crowell has appeared in 16 games during each of his four NFL seasons. Over the past two seasons, he started all 32 games for Cleveland.

"Crowell, the last two years – and Cleveland obviously has had their issues the past couple of years – he had 198 carries for 952 yards, 4.8 (yards) per carry, in 2016," said Al Sacco. "This year, it was 206 for 853, 4.1 yards per carry, and he's caught 68 balls combined in the past two years. So, he's a pretty good player and if they can get him cheap. Like you (Zain) said, he's been in Shanahan's system. He may be a guy that you could see the Niners go after."

In 2016, Crowell ranked third in the NFL in average yards per carry after contact and first among running backs in the percentage of runs that went for 15-or-more yards, according to Pro Football Focus. His 4.8 yards per carry in 2016 ranked seventh among running backs with more than 150 attempts.

"Crowell can do damage in a more efficient offense, with an NFL caliber quarterback, and with more volume," wrote Dan Schneier of Pro Football Focus back in December.

San Francisco is likely to have a more efficient offense than Cleveland in 2018, (hopefully) has an NFL caliber quarterback in Jimmy Garoppolo, and Hyde-like use by Shanahan would give him more volume.

Over his four-year career, Crowell has carried the football 737 times for 3,118 yards (4.2 per carry average) and 21 touchdowns. He also has 96 receptions for 770 yards and a touchdown.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And unfortunately SF most likely isn't gonna pay him that.

fortunately.

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

And unfortunately SF most likely isn't gonna pay him that.

fortunately.

Gonna have to change your name lol

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And unfortunately SF most likely isn't gonna pay him that.

fortunately.

Gonna have to change your name lol

i am once my 5% warning is gone.

Originally posted by JimmyJesus:

He'll get 7 mil IMO

Over 7 Years and you have a deal.