GREG ROMAN - A COORDINATOR FOR HIRE

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Baldie:
Firing Roman won't help, Harbaugh still has his say on what he wants on offense. He'll just find someone else that agrees with him.

This. Make no mistake about it, this is the offense that Jim wants, this is the offense he approves of and played in.. The worst part about Harbaugh is that he's dogmatically attached to this offense because of his own personal beliefs and loyalties, fire Roman, bring in whoever you want, this will still be a very conservative, "go for the safe points" sort of offense with a 1970's era passing philosophy.


Good enough to get you to the playoffs and just good enough to get you beat sooner or later when you get there.

Some of that philosphy can work even today. If the defense won't give you stuff down the field, play dink and dunk until you see something. Thats how the Chargers beat the Hawks yesterday. Their gameplan was excellent, take what the defense gives them and play no-huddle. The Packers presented that blue print in week 1 but they just didn't have enough on defense to win.

The niners problem, they or Kaep, always looks for the BIG play seems like on every play. That worked in Dallas but it won't work all the time. Sometimes his 1st read should be 5 yard pass and not his 3rd or 4th read. But then again he should know that pre-snap but he doesn't read defenses good enough yet.

Harbaugh and his old-fashioned smash mouth football mentality is the problem. Roman calls the plays that please his boss.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by verb1der:
If this is really the case, I am done with Harbaugh. And it's probably why we haven't extended this guy. Baalke gave him all the weapons he needs this year and there should be no excuse for a 2nd half melt down like that. OFFENSE WAS COMPLETELY INEPT!

GOD I HOPE WE HAVEN'T BEEN FIGURED OUT THIS EARLY. THERE IS NO EXCUSE THIS YEAR FOR ANYONE ON THIS DAMN TEAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They haven't been figured out, they just don't really have much of an offensive philosophy anymore. They seem to have a "Offense of the Week" principle and this week it was centered around the read option and basically trying to recreate Buffalo's gameplan of a week ago, something that the Bears spent all week preparing.


As far as this offense goes, when what they gameplanned fails to work, they go into complete and utter paralysis, if the gameplan isn't working, they can't adjust and this offense falls apart.

Well if this is the case, then even more Harbaugh and Roman needs to be FIRED! What kind of BS philosophy is "offense of the week"?!?!?! That only tells me we don't know who we really are so we're trying to play chameleon on a weekly basis. WE CANNOT WIN A SUPERBOWL with this kind of approach.

Look at the Seahawks, they stick to their bread and butter, so do the Packers, so did the Giants, so did the Steelers, so did the Patriots, so did the Ravens, all previous Superbowl champions.

This "changing on a weekly basis" HAS GOT TO STOP. I AM SO SICK OF IT. BRUCE MILLER AT WR?!?!?! OH DEAR GOD.

He always seems to adjust away from what's working and fails to make adjustments when things aren't working. He is a tool.

ONE OTHER THING...

ROMAN MUST HAVE 1 PAGE IN THE PLAYBOOK THAT SAYS "FINAL PLAY OF THE GAME" AND THE ONLY PLAY IS ARE THROWS TO CRABTREE, YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME ROMAN, EVERY SINGLE FINAL THROW OF THE GAME GOES DO DAMN CRABTREE?!?

WE LOST THE SUPERBOWL ON A FINAL PLAY TO CRABTREE
WE LOST THE NFFCCG ON A FINAL THROW TO CRABTREE
WE LOST OUR INAUGURAL SEASON OPENER ON A FINAL THROW TO CRABTREE

DEAR GOD, PLEASE, HAVE MERCY ON OUR TEAM.

Our offensive philosophy is ok, its just the tempo that I have a problem with. In this day an age of the NFL you have to be able to strike quick. These long sustained drives are getting harder and harder. This is what our offense is predicated upon. We grind out the 15 play drives. Well this just isnt what the League is moving to. We are falling behind fast. Somehow the NINERS must find a way to up the tempo. Its getting obvious. Our offense takes the whole 35 seconds to get in position. I dont know if we could even run a no huddle if we wanted to.

Yea I agree stop going to Crabtree he's not gonna make the clutch play.

This HarbaughRoman offense is the worse!! We lead the league in rush attempts over the last 3 seasons. Yet want to do that again this year?? And you have Vernon, Boldin, Johnson and Crabtree?! This makes no sense. There should be two receivers open every play. Hell and throw some damn deep balls for crying out loud. Lets go for the jugular and destroy teams leaching up 40+ points a game dammit!!!

Originally posted by verb1der:

Originally posted by Baldie:

Originally posted by verb1der:
ROMAN HAS BEEN FIGURED OUT WITH HIS WACK ASS COLLEGE SCHEME, IT'S TIME GETS THE BOOT!

JOHN HARBAUGH FIRED HIS OC AND THEN WENT ON TO WIN THE SUPERBOWL, HAVE SOME BALLS JIM!

FREE CK!!!!!!!!!!!

Firing Roman won't help, Harbaugh still has his say on what he wants on offense. He'll just find someone else that agrees with him.

If this is really the case, I am done with Harbaugh. And it's probably why we haven't extended this guy. Baalke gave him all the weapons he needs this year and there should be no excuse for a 2nd half melt down like that. OFFENSE WAS COMPLETELY INEPT!

GOD I HOPE WE HAVEN'T BEEN FIGURED OUT THIS EARLY. THERE IS NO EXCUSE THIS YEAR FOR ANYONE ON THIS DAMN TEAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I support Harbaugh, I mean he's brought winning back to this franchise. But I do feel that if he doesn't win it this year, his job is on the line. If he doesn't get fired, then his coaching staff needs to change. This roster is loaded this year on offense. The defense is a different story because of the suspensions and injuries. On that note the offense is suppose to pick up the slack. I don't see any difference in how this offense is suppose to pick up the slack. Still the same type of playcalling. You figure Lloyd would be active in every game and I'd be shocked if they inactivate him again going forward. He may not have won the game but he's another vet that any defense would respect and roll coverage to him. He's also a guy that knows how to get open and you inactivate him? Ellington is a baller but he's not a guy defense's will roll coverage to just yet.

Oh and I think the team is making a mistake in putting Ward in the slot, as a starter. Welker and Harvin is going to eat him alive when we play those teams.

I don't have a problem with the the throw to Crabtree, I have problem that with the idea that they went for the end zone rather than a 1st down.....

Originally posted by ayleswbj11:
Our offensive philosophy is ok, its just the tempo that I have a problem with. In this day an age of the NFL you have to be able to strike quick. These long sustained drives are getting harder and harder. This is what our offense is predicated upon. We grind out the 15 play drives. Well this just isnt what the League is moving to. We are falling behind fast. Somehow the NINERS must find a way to up the tempo. Its getting obvious. Our offense takes the whole 35 seconds to get in position. I dont know if we could even run a no huddle if we wanted to.

3 years in and they still can't get plays off on time. You can't blame the quarterback(s) or any single players for that b******t, this has been going on since the day Harbaugh got here and they still haven't figured it out. When you run the play clock all the way down, you give a huge advantage to the defense in timing their first step.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
They haven't been figured out, they just don't really have much of an offensive philosophy anymore. They seem to have a "Offense of the Week" principle and this week it was centered around the read option and basically trying to recreate Buffalo's gameplan of a week ago, something that the Bears spent all week preparing.


As far as this offense goes, when what they gameplanned fails to work, they go into complete and utter paralysis, if the gameplan isn't working, they can't adjust and this offense falls apart.

Though, in general, being able to execute a new offensive gameplan every week is very advantegous because the opponent simply doesn't know what to prepare for.
But, of course, it should not work like this.

Sometimes I ask myself whether Roman even trusts Kap at all. Perhaps he thinks that Kap is not even average and this could be the reason for the very conservative play-calling, besides Harbaugh's general approach to the offensive playcalling.

I got to tell say I try not to have knee jerk reactions after a loss. But that was like watching a Nolan run team, mabey worse. Someone needs to be held accountable and I tend to blame coaches. And I do think Roman is by far the weakest link. He just is going backwards and taking Niners with him.

Originally posted by lamontb:
Yea I agree stop going to Crabtree he's not gonna make the clutch play.

Where was Boldin on that desperation pass? In that situation, I'd much rather trust Boldin and/or Davis (he proved to be that guy). To me, on that last play, you'd run a play to scheme a specific guy open. It just looked like they just ran a play hoping for someone to be open and Kaep chose to throw it to Crabs, which who by the way could have caught it should he just kept running straight instead of hesitating a bit at the last minute.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Baldie:
Firing Roman won't help, Harbaugh still has his say on what he wants on offense. He'll just find someone else that agrees with him.

This. Make no mistake about it, this is the offense that Jim wants, this is the offense he approves of and played in.. The worst part about Harbaugh is that he's dogmatically attached to this offense because of his own personal beliefs and loyalties, fire Roman, bring in whoever you want, this will still be a very conservative, "go for the safe points" sort of offense with a 1970's era passing philosophy.


Good enough to get you to the playoffs and just good enough to get you beat sooner or later when you get there.

The talent on this team would get just about any offensive scheme INTO the playoffs, but that won't get you past well coached teams with similar talent. Harbaugh is a very stubborn, ego-driven man who has a particular way he wants the offense to run. He has his rubber stamp in Roman, an ex-nose tackle who will follow the leader into hell.

A good coaching staff will put players in situations in which they can succeed. Fangio does that with the defense, for the most part. Harbaugh doesn't do it with the offense. When the OL is struggling blocking a certain defense, instead of altering the play calls to offset that defense and put the OL back in control, Harbaugh just tells them to fight harder. That is not good coaching. That is stubbornness.