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Sep 19, 2015 at 7:15 AM

WRATHman44
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Originally posted by GMniner805:

There is some super ignorant posting going on in here. Idk even know where to start, the Justin Smith comment was omg.

Its amazing how many zoners can form such strong opinions & conclusions after ONE GAME. Fangio was successful four straight seasons including playoffs, Mangini has a long way to go.

What was the average number of points scored against our tea in the playoffs under Fangio, and do you think his strategy of leaning on trusted veteran players (especially at DL) and having them play a larger percentage of total snaps than the other starters in the league had an effect upon those point totals?

Sep 19, 2015 at 7:25 AM

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Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Originally posted by GMniner805:

There is some super ignorant posting going on in here. Idk even know where to start, the Justin Smith comment was omg.

Its amazing how many zoners can form such strong opinions & conclusions after ONE GAME. Fangio was successful four straight seasons including playoffs, Mangini has a long way to go.

What was the average number of points scored against our tea in the playoffs under Fangio, and do you think his strategy of leaning on trusted veteran players (especially at DL) and having them play a larger percentage of total snaps than the other starters in the league had an effect upon those point totals?

Sep 19, 2015 at 8:00 AM

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Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by GMniner805:

There is some super ignorant posting going on in here. Idk even know where to start, the Justin Smith comment was omg.

Its amazing how many zoners can form such strong opinions & conclusions after ONE GAME. Fangio was successful four straight seasons including playoffs, Mangini has a long way to go.
Not so much in the playoffs, Mangini has 3 Superbowl rings...how many does Fangio have? Seems like you shoulda done just a little research before you make embarrassing posts.

This. Our defense usually disappeared in the playoffs. This is especially true during the super bowl run, when we could have used them most.

Sep 19, 2015 at 8:18 AM

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Originally posted by WRATHman44:
What was the average number of points scored against our tea in the playoffs under Fangio, and do you think his strategy of leaning on trusted veteran players (especially at DL) and having them play a larger percentage of total snaps than the other starters in the league had an effect upon those point totals?

And it's a wrap.

And like the previous poster said, we had 4 years to evaluate Fangio and knew his weaknesses well. We'll need time to fully see Mangini's as well.

But like with the offense, it seems like our HC, OC, and DC were paying close attention to the previous regimes weaknesses and strengths and building off them this far.

Sep 19, 2015 at 8:49 AM

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Originally posted by 49ersOnMINE:

Originally posted by GMniner805:

There is some super ignorant posting going on in here. Idk even know where to start, the Justin Smith comment was omg.

Its amazing how many zoners can form such strong opinions & conclusions after ONE GAME. Fangio was successful four straight seasons including playoffs, Mangini has a long way to go.

It's not about comparing who's successful and who's not its about using variety combination of players, the defensive line being rotated and seeing a lot of fresh bodies that was rarely done with the previous. Just sayin, Justin Smith probably would've avoided more aches and pain in his old body if rotated constantly.

IMO, for certain.

Sep 19, 2015 at 9:28 AM

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Harbaugh and Fangio rode their horses into the ground. Is it any wonder by year 3 stalwarts like Cowboy and PWillie were missing blocks of games. If they had pulled off two SB wins it probably would not have mattered, but they didn't. If Harbaugh would have played nice with management I'm sure he and Fangio would have won with today's team.

Sep 19, 2015 at 9:36 AM

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Originally posted by RishikeshA:
Harbaugh and Fangio rode their horses into the ground. Is it any wonder by year 3 stalwarts like Cowboy and PWillie were missing blocks of games. If they had pulled off two SB wins it probably would not have mattered, but they didn't. If Harbaugh would have played nice with management I'm sure he and Fangio would have won with today's team.

Maybe that's the reason we had so many premature retirements.

[ Edited by smithgdwg on Sep 19, 2015 at 9:36 AM ]

Sep 19, 2015 at 9:38 AM

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Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Originally posted by GMniner805:

There is some super ignorant posting going on in here. Idk even know where to start, the Justin Smith comment was omg.

Its amazing how many zoners can form such strong opinions & conclusions after ONE GAME. Fangio was successful four straight seasons including playoffs, Mangini has a long way to go.

What was the average number of points scored against our tea in the playoffs under Fangio, and do you think his strategy of leaning on trusted veteran players (especially at DL) and having them play a larger percentage of total snaps than the other starters in the league had an effect upon those point totals?

Only one time in the harbaugh era did we allow less than 20 in a playoff game (2013 vs Car).

Harbs era ppg allowed (regular): 17.4
Harbs era Ppg allowed (playoffs): 24.3

[ Edited by Niners816 on Sep 19, 2015 at 9:43 AM ]

Sep 19, 2015 at 9:43 AM

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Originally posted by Niners816:
Only one time in the harbaugh era did we allow less than 20 in a playoff game (2013 vs Car).

Harbs era Ppg allowed: 24.3

Burnt. Out.

Remember those old reports by MB that listed the % of snaps each player on defense had. Justin and Brooks would be like 95% or something like that going INTO the playoffs.

Sep 19, 2015 at 9:47 AM

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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Niners816:
Only one time in the harbaugh era did we allow less than 20 in a playoff game (2013 vs Car).

Harbs era Ppg allowed: 24.3

Burnt. Out.

Remember those old reports by MB that listed the % of snaps each player on defense had. Justin and Brooks would be like 95% or something like that going INTO the playoffs.

Yeah...I amended my orginal post. Ppg went from 17.4 in the regular season to 24.3 in the playoffs. Now I would expect some increase based on the quality of the opponents,but 7 point increase seems drastic.

Sep 19, 2015 at 9:49 AM

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These annoying Mangini/Fangio comparisons are going to happen all year.

Sep 19, 2015 at 9:50 AM

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Originally posted by Niners816:
Yeah...I amended my orginal post. Ppg went from 17.4 in the regular season to 24.3 in the playoffs. Now I would expect some increase based on the quality of the opponents,but 7 point increase seems drastic.

That is huge esp when you factor in our offensive philosophy.

Sep 19, 2015 at 9:57 AM

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Fangio did a good job on the defense. He couldn't get good depth for his defense especially at LB And the DE. Had to make due until 2013. Any type of injury going into the playoffs, we weren't as good.

Mangini lost some starters, but he's benefiting from good depth and rotation without much drop off in talent.

[ Edited by qnnhan7 on Sep 19, 2015 at 9:57 AM ]

Sep 19, 2015 at 9:58 AM

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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Niners816:
Yeah...I amended my orginal post. Ppg went from 17.4 in the regular season to 24.3 in the playoffs. Now I would expect some increase based on the quality of the opponents,but 7 point increase seems drastic.

That is huge esp when you factor in our offensive philosophy.

To but it in perspective, Seattle during their run yielded 15.2 ppg in the regular season and 18.9 ppg in the playoffs.

Also in my original post, I included 2014 for us. If you just look at playoff years the jump in points was from 16.1 ppg to 24.3 ppg.

Sep 19, 2015 at 10:14 AM

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Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Niners816:
Yeah...I amended my orginal post. Ppg went from 17.4 in the regular season to 24.3 in the playoffs. Now I would expect some increase based on the quality of the opponents,but 7 point increase seems drastic.

That is huge esp when you factor in our offensive philosophy.

To but it in perspective, Seattle during their run yielded 15.2 ppg in the regular season and 18.9 ppg in the playoffs.

Also in my original post, I included 2014 for us. If you just look at playoff years the jump in points was from 16.1 ppg to 24.3 ppg.

Now that is some context!