Eric Mangini Thread

Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by SofaKing:

What a brilliant scheme.

If we're going use our OLB's in coverage this much I hope Mangini isn't the DC next season.

If he keeps using our OLB's in coverage this much, he probably won't get an opportunity to coach anywhere ever again.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Mangini was the DC for New England for one year, 2005.
In 2004 the Patriots defense ranked 2nd in points allowed and 9th in yards.
In 2005 the Patriots defense ranked 17th in points allowed and 26th in yards.
In 2006 the Patriots defense ranked 2nd in points allowed and 6th in yards.

I am not sure how this guy got the job. New England had their worst defensive year in the Belichick era when Mangini was their DC and Vernon Davis had his worst year of his career when Mangini was the TE coach. WTF?

To be fair, that 2005 NE team still has an NFL record for most starters on defense in one season. To say that they were injury plagued would be a huge understatement so I can give him a pass there.


But its not like he was with the Patriots for one season. Prior to that he was their DB's coach back when they did a s**tload of pattern matching. His relationship with Belichick goes back to the Cleveland Browns days. He was one of his favored pupils.


There is no way in hell he lasted that long with Belichick without gaining a mastery of different coverage schemes. Why he is choosing to go with this one which the players are mostly unfamiliar with and amplifies the defenses weaknesses is beyond my comprehension.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
To be fair, that 2005 NE team still has an NFL record for most starters on defense in one season. To say that they were injury plagued would be a huge understatement so I can give him a pass there.


But its not like he was with the Patriots for one season. Prior to that he was their DB's coach back when they did a s**tload of pattern matching. His relationship with Belichick goes back to the Cleveland Browns days. He was one of his favored pupils.


There is no way in hell he lasted that long with Belichick without gaining a mastery of different coverage schemes. Why he is choosing to go with this one which the players are mostly unfamiliar with and amplifies the defenses weaknesses is beyond my comprehension.

This is why I hope the training wheels are still on and slowing down the bicycle. Once everyone is on the same page it should be smoother and the players youth and speed will be an asset rather than a deficit.

Edit: Also want to point out that Fangio had Justin Smith covering the flat on some pass plays...if the QB had been accurate and quick to diagnose those plays it would not have looked so good!

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
To be fair, that 2005 NE team still has an NFL record for most starters on defense in one season. To say that they were injury plagued would be a huge understatement so I can give him a pass there.


But its not like he was with the Patriots for one season. Prior to that he was their DB's coach back when they did a s**tload of pattern matching. His relationship with Belichick goes back to the Cleveland Browns days. He was one of his favored pupils.


There is no way in hell he lasted that long with Belichick without gaining a mastery of different coverage schemes. Why he is choosing to go with this one which the players are mostly unfamiliar with and amplifies the defenses weaknesses is beyond my comprehension.

This is what makes his choice of coverage scheme so damn frustrating. Where is the pattern matching?

Even weirder is that the way we are getting beat in zone coverage is exactly why pattern matching was created in the first place.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

To be fair, that 2005 NE team still has an NFL record for most starters on defense in one season. To say that they were injury plagued would be a huge understatement so I can give him a pass there.


But its not like he was with the Patriots for one season. Prior to that he was their DB's coach back when they did a s**tload of pattern matching. His relationship with Belichick goes back to the Cleveland Browns days. He was one of his favored pupils.


There is no way in hell he lasted that long with Belichick without gaining a mastery of different coverage schemes. Why he is choosing to go with this one which the players are mostly unfamiliar with and amplifies the defenses weaknesses is beyond my comprehension.

Did Bellichick tell you that personally? That Mangini was one of his favorite pupils? Please share that link and knowledge.

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
To be fair, that 2005 NE team still has an NFL record for most starters on defense in one season. To say that they were injury plagued would be a huge understatement so I can give him a pass there.


But its not like he was with the Patriots for one season. Prior to that he was their DB's coach back when they did a s**tload of pattern matching. His relationship with Belichick goes back to the Cleveland Browns days. He was one of his favored pupils.


There is no way in hell he lasted that long with Belichick without gaining a mastery of different coverage schemes. Why he is choosing to go with this one which the players are mostly unfamiliar with and amplifies the defenses weaknesses is beyond my comprehension.

Did Bellichick tell you that personally? That Mangini was one of his favorite pupils? Please share that link and knowledge.

Sorry to butt in...Mangini was hired by Belichick on many occassions...what other former assistants were rehired as often? Just a thought...or a question.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

To be fair, that 2005 NE team still has an NFL record for most starters on defense in one season. To say that they were injury plagued would be a huge understatement so I can give him a pass there.


But its not like he was with the Patriots for one season. Prior to that he was their DB's coach back when they did a s**tload of pattern matching. His relationship with Belichick goes back to the Cleveland Browns days. He was one of his favored pupils.


There is no way in hell he lasted that long with Belichick without gaining a mastery of different coverage schemes. Why he is choosing to go with this one which the players are mostly unfamiliar with and amplifies the defenses weaknesses is beyond my comprehension.

Did Bellichick tell you that personally? That Mangini was one of his favorite pupils? Please share that link and knowledge.

Sorry to butt in...Mangini was hired by Belichick on many occassions...what other former assistants were rehired as often? Just a thought...or a question.

I could just as easily point to their post game interaction.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Sorry to butt in...Mangini was hired by Belichick on many occassions...what other former assistants were rehired as often? Just a thought...or a question.

How many occasions? I see that he hired him in New England. Did he also hire him in Ny? Cleveland? How many occasions? Ditka hired Ryan. Think he loved him?

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
To be fair, that 2005 NE team still has an NFL record for most starters on defense in one season. To say that they were injury plagued would be a huge understatement so I can give him a pass there.


But its not like he was with the Patriots for one season. Prior to that he was their DB's coach back when they did a s**tload of pattern matching. His relationship with Belichick goes back to the Cleveland Browns days. He was one of his favored pupils.


There is no way in hell he lasted that long with Belichick without gaining a mastery of different coverage schemes. Why he is choosing to go with this one which the players are mostly unfamiliar with and amplifies the defenses weaknesses is beyond my comprehension.

Did Bellichick tell you that personally? That Mangini was one of his favorite pupils? Please share that link and knowledge.

Sorry to butt in...Mangini was hired by Belichick on many occassions...what other former assistants were rehired as often? Just a thought...or a question.

I could just as easily point to their post game interaction.

Did you see the episode when...oh...never mind, mental wandering for a moment...

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:
How many occasions? I see that he hired him in New England. Did he also hire him in Ny? Cleveland? How many occasions? Ditka hired Ryan. Think he loved him?

NE twice and Cleveland...not sure of any other times. I might have him confused with someone else though.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:

How many occasions? I see that he hired him in New England. Did he also hire him in Ny? Cleveland? How many occasions? Ditka hired Ryan. Think he loved him?

NE twice and Cleveland...not sure of any other times. I might have him confused with someone else though.

I've got this.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/10/a_football_fans_guide_to_the_e.html
Does talk about being hired by Bellichick under Browns. And considering him a mentor.

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:
How many occasions? I see that he hired him in New England. Did he also hire him in Ny? Cleveland? How many occasions? Ditka hired Ryan. Think he loved him?

He first hired him in Cleveland in '95. Hired him again in '97 with NYJ, and hired him again in 2000 with New England.

Mangini was a trusted assistant under Belichik for many years on 3 different teams. The relationship went sour when Mangini, the NYJ HC at the time, outed the Patriots during the Spygate drama.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:

How many occasions? I see that he hired him in New England. Did he also hire him in Ny? Cleveland? How many occasions? Ditka hired Ryan. Think he loved him?

He first hired him in Cleveland in '95. Hired him again in '97 with NYJ, and hired him again in 2000 with New England.

Mangini was a trusted assistant under Belichik for many years on 3 different teams. The relationship went sour when Mangini, the NYJ HC at the time, outed the Patriots during the Spygate drama.

Wait a second, are you telling me that while Bill Parcells was the coach of the NY Jets, one of his ASSISTANTS hired his own assistant? Do you actually know who Bill Parcells is?

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:
Wait a second, are you telling me that while Bill Parcells was the coach of the NY Jets, one of his ASSISTANTS hired his own assistant? Do you actually know who Bill Parcells is?

Belichick had worked with Mangini previously. Parcells did not. If you connect the dots, Belichick most likely recommended Mangini to Parcells and the hire was made. It's not hard to figure out.

Mangini followed Belichick to 3 different stops. That doesn't happen unless Belichick likes him as a coach.

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:
I've got this.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/10/a_football_fans_guide_to_the_e.html
Does talk about being hired by Bellichick under Browns. And considering him a mentor.

Should have read the first line: "Bill Belichick and Eric Mangini used to be as close as a father and son."