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Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:
Not at all. Just waiting to see if you know as much about football as you pretend. Whats your take on "many", Phoenix? This is a discussion about Bellichick hiring Mangini many times. Do you also consider twice many? Wait, think I know the answer.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Old Al was hot for Mangini back in the day.
Oakland Raiders owner Al Davis and Patriots defensive backs coach Eric Mangini have something in common: a commitment to excellence. And Davis was so set on hiring Mangini to direct the league's 30th-ranked defense that he was willing to make the 33-year-old Mangini the highest-paid first-year defensive coordinator ever. According to league sources familiar with the negotiations (which took place by phone last weekend), Davis offered Mangini a three-year commitment worth slightly more than $2 million. There's more: The Raiders, according to the sources, also discussed an interest-free home loan and care for Mangini's wife, who is due to give birth soon. Apparently Mangini felt more comfortable committing for another year to an organization that has won two Super Bowls in three seasons rather than one in transition.
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2004/02/15/washingtons_good_guy_image_takes_a_hit/?page=full
The next mission was for Crennel and Mangini to prepare young athletes such as Gay and Earthwind Moreland for extended roles in the secondary even though they weren't considered good enough to be drafted. They've had to use other players off the street such as Hank Poteat.
"Randall is very, very smart," Mangini said. "He has the perfect mentality for a cornerback because things don't bother him. He's a steady, hard-working player. For his age, he shows a lot of maturity."
Belichick resisted the temptation to move Wilson from safety to cornerback. Wilson gave the Patriots incredible range in coverage from the safety position. Plus, he developed a nasty streak as a hitter.
"No system can make it work unless you have good players," strong safety Harrison said. "What this system does is put people in the best positions to play. The coaches really teach the guys the scheme and show us different techniques to use."
It helped that Asante Samuel, a second-round pick from a year ago, developed into a budding shutdown cornerback. He limited Marvin Harrison to five catches for 44 yards and Plaxico Burress to three catches for 37 yards during the playoffs. Gay held up surprisingly well for an undrafted rookie starter.
Even more amazing were the stats during the final nine regular-season games after Law and Poole were done. In the Patriots' first seven games, they allowed opposing quarterbacks to complete 56.1 percent of their passes for 232 yards a game. The healthy unit gave up six touchdowns and had seven interceptions in seven games.
The patchwork group allowed 231 yards over the final nine weeks. Opposing quarterbacks completed 60.3 percent of their passes against them and had 12 touchdown passes and had 13 interceptions.
"They play everything out of a two shell," Eagles offensive coordinator Brad Childress said of the Patriots' system. "That's the illusion that it starts with. From there, on the snap of the football, they do a great job of describing what their intentions are. I would just say they just try to keep everybody in front of them. They don't have any problem rushing three and dropping eight on first down, not necessarily just on third and long. They react to what you are giving them and rally to the football."
Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Old Al was hot for Mangini back in the day.
Oakland Raiders owner Al Davis and Patriots defensive backs coach Eric Mangini have something in common: a commitment to excellence. And Davis was so set on hiring Mangini to direct the league's 30th-ranked defense that he was willing to make the 33-year-old Mangini the highest-paid first-year defensive coordinator ever. According to league sources familiar with the negotiations (which took place by phone last weekend), Davis offered Mangini a three-year commitment worth slightly more than $2 million. There's more: The Raiders, according to the sources, also discussed an interest-free home loan and care for Mangini's wife, who is due to give birth soon. Apparently Mangini felt more comfortable committing for another year to an organization that has won two Super Bowls in three seasons rather than one in transition.
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2004/02/15/washingtons_good_guy_image_takes_a_hit/?page=full
So you approve of Mangini because Al Davis did?
Mangini is a Bill Belichick disciple, but he's no mad scientist. The defensive scheme relies more on discipline than creativity, and isn't particularly exotic. The Jets won't blitz often, instead trying to create quarterback pressure with stunts and games. Mangini wants to play more man-to-man on the edges and allow his safeties to attack, but expect a lot of zones until the pass rush improves.
The key to the 49ers' success in that game, as well as for much of the past two years, is rooted in a common misconception about their defense. It's often noted that the 49ers play almost entirely with two safeties deep, splitting the field into halves while the remaining defenders play man-to-man coverage. This tactic, which also relies heavily on the front seven to stop the run, is known as "Cover 2 Man" defense. The notion that the 49ers use this coverage almost exclusively is, like most misconceptions, rooted in some fact. The 49ers do use this coverage a great deal, but if they used it on every down, San Francisco's defense would be much easier to attack than it actually is.
What Fangio and the 49ers actually do is mix and match their two-deep, Cover 2 Man coverage with a variety of "pattern match" zones — zone defenses that transform into a kind of man coverage after the snap. The 49ers use a variety of these pattern-match schemes (each of which is differentiated by a subtle change in a defender's rules), but one I've seen them use with success all season is known to many coaches as "Two Read."
Two Read is tough on quarterbacks because it can closely resemble other coverages (like Cover 2 Man) until it's too late. (Even experienced coaches can have trouble determining exactly what coverage opponents are using, so be skeptical if a TV analyst speaks with too much certainty about "man" or "zone" coverage. The lines have become increasingly blurred.)
Generally, the cornerbacks will play a type of man coverage on the outside receiver, or no. 1, receiver. If that receiver runs vertical, the corner will "match" him and play man-to-man. If the outside receiver immediately breaks inside, the corner's assignment changes. Instead of playing man-to-man, he sinks back and looks to pick up a receiver — likely the slot — running a route deep and to the outside. When a corner makes an interception on a play just like this, he's often described as "freelancing," but this kind of bait-and-switch is actually part of his assignment.
The interior defenders, usually nickel backs or outside linebackers, "wall" or block the inside receivers from running quick inside routes like slants and are also responsible for any quick pattern to the outside. If that inside receiver releases straight down the field, the responsibilities change entirely. The safeties then pick up that receiver in man coverage seven-to-eight yards past the line of scrimmage, while the nickel back or linebacker sinks into a zone and looks to stop any curl or inside routes. In short, if the offense tries to cross its receivers, the defense will look like zone. If those receivers run straight downfield, it will look like man-to-man with some extra help.
If all that confusion wasn't enough, the 49ers will sometimes call a different coverage to each half of the field. Sometimes, that means Cover 2 Man to one side, and a 2 Read look to the other. Other times, it's Quarters to one side, with man-to-man or 2 Read to the other.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:A good article on how Fangio ran his defense, especially on the backend.
The key to the 49ers' success in that game, as well as for much of the past two years, is rooted in a common misconception about their defense. It's often noted that the 49ers play almost entirely with two safeties deep, splitting the field into halves while the remaining defenders play man-to-man coverage. This tactic, which also relies heavily on the front seven to stop the run, is known as "Cover 2 Man" defense. The notion that the 49ers use this coverage almost exclusively is, like most misconceptions, rooted in some fact. The 49ers do use this coverage a great deal, but if they used it on every down, San Francisco's defense would be much easier to attack than it actually is.
What Fangio and the 49ers actually do is mix and match their two-deep, Cover 2 Man coverage with a variety of "pattern match" zones — zone defenses that transform into a kind of man coverage after the snap. The 49ers use a variety of these pattern-match schemes (each of which is differentiated by a subtle change in a defender's rules), but one I've seen them use with success all season is known to many coaches as "Two Read."
Two Read is tough on quarterbacks because it can closely resemble other coverages (like Cover 2 Man) until it's too late. (Even experienced coaches can have trouble determining exactly what coverage opponents are using, so be skeptical if a TV analyst speaks with too much certainty about "man" or "zone" coverage. The lines have become increasingly blurred.)
Generally, the cornerbacks will play a type of man coverage on the outside receiver, or no. 1, receiver. If that receiver runs vertical, the corner will "match" him and play man-to-man. If the outside receiver immediately breaks inside, the corner's assignment changes. Instead of playing man-to-man, he sinks back and looks to pick up a receiver — likely the slot — running a route deep and to the outside. When a corner makes an interception on a play just like this, he's often described as "freelancing," but this kind of bait-and-switch is actually part of his assignment.
The interior defenders, usually nickel backs or outside linebackers, "wall" or block the inside receivers from running quick inside routes like slants and are also responsible for any quick pattern to the outside. If that inside receiver releases straight down the field, the responsibilities change entirely. The safeties then pick up that receiver in man coverage seven-to-eight yards past the line of scrimmage, while the nickel back or linebacker sinks into a zone and looks to stop any curl or inside routes. In short, if the offense tries to cross its receivers, the defense will look like zone. If those receivers run straight downfield, it will look like man-to-man with some extra help.
If all that confusion wasn't enough, the 49ers will sometimes call a different coverage to each half of the field. Sometimes, that means Cover 2 Man to one side, and a 2 Read look to the other. Other times, it's Quarters to one side, with man-to-man or 2 Read to the other.
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/how-joe-flaccos-big-arm-can-exploit-the-49ers-secondary/
Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:
Same guy that hired Lane Kiffin and love Jamarcus Russel?
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:Same guy that hired Lane Kiffin and love Jamarcus Russel?
Did you really just respond to your own post?
Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:
Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Old Al was hot for Mangini back in the day.
Oakland Raiders owner Al Davis and Patriots defensive backs coach Eric Mangini have something in common: a commitment to excellence. And Davis was so set on hiring Mangini to direct the league's 30th-ranked defense that he was willing to make the 33-year-old Mangini the highest-paid first-year defensive coordinator ever. According to league sources familiar with the negotiations (which took place by phone last weekend), Davis offered Mangini a three-year commitment worth slightly more than $2 million. There's more: The Raiders, according to the sources, also discussed an interest-free home loan and care for Mangini's wife, who is due to give birth soon. Apparently Mangini felt more comfortable committing for another year to an organization that has won two Super Bowls in three seasons rather than one in transition.
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2004/02/15/washingtons_good_guy_image_takes_a_hit/?page=full
So you approve of Mangini because Al Davis did?
Same guy that hired Lane Kiffin and love Jamarcus Russel?
Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:
No, just your love of how Al Davis ran a team. Shows your prowess. BRILLIANT! Tell me more about Al Davis' favorite coaches, please! Can we move to Sporano next?
Originally posted by dtg_9er:Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Old Al was hot for Mangini back in the day.
Oakland Raiders owner Al Davis and Patriots defensive backs coach Eric Mangini have something in common: a commitment to excellence. And Davis was so set on hiring Mangini to direct the league's 30th-ranked defense that he was willing to make the 33-year-old Mangini the highest-paid first-year defensive coordinator ever. According to league sources familiar with the negotiations (which took place by phone last weekend), Davis offered Mangini a three-year commitment worth slightly more than $2 million. There's more: The Raiders, according to the sources, also discussed an interest-free home loan and care for Mangini's wife, who is due to give birth soon. Apparently Mangini felt more comfortable committing for another year to an organization that has won two Super Bowls in three seasons rather than one in transition.
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2004/02/15/washingtons_good_guy_image_takes_a_hit/?page=full
So you approve of Mangini because Al Davis did?
Same guy that hired Lane Kiffin and love Jamarcus Russel?
Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:No, just your love of how Al Davis ran a team. Shows your prowess. BRILLIANT! Tell me more about Al Davis' favorite coaches, please! Can we move to Sporano next?
The question? Did you just quote yourself?
The answer? Yes.
I think we are all getting tired...goodnight!
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
The Oakland and Kansas City defenses of the 1970's perfected it and called it the jam. The fierce Philadelphia defenses of the early 1990's called it No Free Access. Both Super Bowl XXXVIII defenses on Sunday will showcase it and call it rerouting. It is the art of pass defenders who bump, push and sometimes manhandle receivers near the line of scrimmage, knocking receivers off their routes and ruining their timing with quarterbacks. Both New England and Carolina excel at the tactic, and both believe they can successfully use it to win the championship.
''Basically, rerouting receivers means trying to prevent them from running in a straight line to where they want to run,'' Eric Mangini, New England's secondary coach, said. ''Most offenses are based on timing and with receivers reaching certain landmarks on the field. Rerouting them makes them find another landmark.''
Effectively controlling a passing offense always requires combining a harassing pass rush with gluelike pass coverage. The way the Patriots and the Panthers reroute receivers, both pass defenders and pass rushers negate pass offenses.
''A few years ago when you could nail receivers all over the field before the ball was thrown, pass defenses had a big edge,'' said Rod Perry, Carolina's secondary coach and former Pro Bowl cornerback who played 10 N.F.L. seasons, most of them with the Rams. ''Mel Blount in Pittsburgh was 6-3, and he just planted and killed guys all over the field on the way to the Hall of Fame. But when the rules were changed 15 or so years ago to allow you to contact receivers no more than 5 yards after the line of scrimmage, it made it tougher.''
''But that is still enough space to have an impact,'' Perry added. ''And you couple that with hard hits after catches, and receivers sometimes start to get chicken arms and start dropping balls. Every defensive back wants that, for receivers to concentrate more on you than catching the football.''
Rerouting receivers is not limited to cornerbacks versus receivers. Tight ends are rerouted most often by linebackers or safeties. Running backs are rerouted by linemen as they leave the backfield on pass patterns.
Both the Patriots and the Panthers excelled at the rerouting tactic in their conference championship games.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/30/sports/pro-football-creating-confusion-by-rerouting-the-receivers.html
Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:
Um...... I thought this was the Mangini thread. But if you want Fangio back, I'm with you.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:
Um...... I thought this was the Mangini thread. But if you want Fangio back, I'm with you.
Pick your poison!
Rank - 32 Chicago - 35.0 points a game
It was a good marriage when he was here. But Fangio chose to leave.
Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:Um...... I thought this was the Mangini thread. But if you want Fangio back, I'm with you.
Pick your poison!
Rank - 32 Chicago - 35.0 points a game
It was a good marriage when he was here. But Fangio chose to leave.
