Eric Mangini Thread

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:
Um...... I thought this was the Mangini thread. But if you want Fangio back, I'm with you.

Pick your poison!

Rank - 32 Chicago - 35.0 points a game

It was a good marriage when he was here. But Fangio chose to leave.

He may have chose to leave, but the FO forced his hand , imo

Yeah. THe FO is full of crap.

Bunch of uppity weasels.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:
Um...... I thought this was the Mangini thread. But if you want Fangio back, I'm with you.

Pick your poison!

Rank - 32 Chicago - 35.0 points a game

It was a good marriage when he was here. But Fangio chose to leave.

Disagree with the rankings with Fangio's defense. There's a reason they are trying to trade players that just straight do not fit in their system. I think like Mangini, Fangio is also lacking a proper pass rusher in his defense that fits his defense. Also the Bears just got rid of one of their building blocks in Ray McDonald which actually set both Mangini's and Fangio's defense back a little by not having a proper 30 front D-line, or should I say dominant one. Because Ray Mac would've been the best 3-4 D-lineman on both the Bears and 49ers if he had his head on straight.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
A good article on how Fangio ran his defense, especially on the backend.

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http://grantland.com/the-triangle/how-joe-flaccos-big-arm-can-exploit-the-49ers-secondary/

After watching ARI slice up the 49ers zone coverage with three level floods, here is an example of how pattern matching can defeat a flood concept.
Versus Smash Flood (Smash + a flare route by the RB to create a three level flood) to Rodger's right. It's 4 defenders versus 3 WRs and all routes get matched. No one is open and AR scrambles. This needs to get back into the playbook or else Rodgers is going to have a glorified practice.

We all know he left b/c he was butthurt he didn't get the HC job. But at the end of day he did chose to leave and he now is DCing a defense that is dead last in points. It's turning out to be a lose-lose for everyone.

I'm not putting all of the blame on Mangina for the last 2 weeks because Baalke once again refused to bring back our starting CBs and thought he could get away with it again. Trent has gotten way too cute the last 2 years with his GMing. He keeps failing to bring in real talent and continues to roll the dice with project players and it's blowing up in our faces this year.

Originally posted by KingSol:
I'm not putting all of the blame on Mangina for the last 2 weeks because Baalke once again refused to bring back our starting CBs and thought he could get away with it again. Trent has gotten way too cute the last 2 years with his GMing. He keeps failing to bring in real talent and continues to roll the dice with project players and it's blowing up in our faces this year.

So why does proven talent look lost too in Reid, Bethea, Bowman, Brooks, Lynch, Johnson, etc.? Why has ANY CB we've used over the past 5 years always played terrific with us?

Scheme.

For all we know, Brock, Acker, Tartt, Ward, Reaser, etc. are all excellent players too.

Originally posted by NCommand:

We all know he left b/c he was butthurt he didn't get the HC job. But at the end of day he did chose to leave and he now is DCing a defense that is dead last in points. It's turning out to be a lose-lose for everyone.

Why would he have chose to stay when they were trying to hire Gase and force JT as the DC?

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:

Um...... I thought this was the Mangini thread. But if you want Fangio back, I'm with you.

Pick your poison!

Rank - 32 Chicago - 35.0 points a game

It was a good marriage when he was here. But Fangio chose to leave.

He may have chose to leave, but the FO forced his hand , imo

Yeah. THe FO is full of crap.

Bunch of uppity weasels.

The benefit of the doubt is pretty much gone for me. I think they really are a bunch of lying weasels

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Where is this coming from? I haven't read one article that says we were trying to force JT as DC. Not one. The only article that says this is a "unnamed sources" article from Kawakami - who's proven to be a outright liar. Regardless of how people were hired, etc., IMHO, it's what people do when things are going wrong that defines everything. What's problematic is how there's no urgency to get things changed. I fear insanity is on display.

The "unnamed source" initials are JH

This guy is absolutely misusing every single person on his defense in some capacity. this isnt new england where we have like 10 people who can do just about everything.

After two blowouts PFF has some interesting rankings for defenders:

ILBs: Bowman #8 and Wilhoite is top half.
OLB: Lynch 7th and Brooks 12th.
CBs: Acker is ranked #12 against rush, #50 in coverage (one spot below Peters--49th, who is ranked 38th in rush)
S: Bethea 9th, Reid 41st.

Armstead is the top rated niner against the pass at #7

Wondering if these figures, as phony as they may be, indicate talent is rising above scheme right now. With most of the passing yards against the niners from long uncontested throws, it seems they are doing better against the run and short passes. So the lack of pass rusher is more disasterous than one might think. Just a thought but I see this as another sign that the defenders just don't know the system well enough to withstand long lasting plays.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
After two blowouts PFF has some interesting rankings for defenders:

ILBs: Bowman #8 and Wilhoite is top half.
OLB: Lynch 7th and Brooks 12th.
CBs: Acker is ranked #12 against rush, #50 in coverage (one spot below Peters--49th, who is ranked 38th in rush)
S: Bethea 9th, Reid 41st.

Armstead is the top rated niner against the pass at #7

Wondering if these figures, as phony as they may be, indicate talent is rising above scheme right now. With most of the passing yards against the niners from long uncontested throws, it seems they are doing better against the run and short passes. So the lack of pass rusher is more disasterous than one might think. Just a thought but I see this as another sign that the defenders just don't know the system well enough to withstand long lasting plays.

Shoot, now these are good talking points!

They must be giving Bowman, Wilhoite, Brooks and Lynch a ton of + measurables for dropping into coverage as we've seen posted, the OLB's are in coverage, what, 40% of the time? Then perhaps, the few times they are asked to rush the passer, they seem to be getting there?

Hmmm, Acker seems terrific the past two camps, looked great in the Vikings game and this game, he was NOT going to be beaten deep...he wasn't going to defend a 27 yard catch either, but he would ensure the tackle was immediately made this game. I love his run support. My guess is he's more talented that what we're seeing right now d/t the entire defense learning a new scheme and Mangini not using correct personnel or game planning...not exactly playing to player strengths yet. Not anyone on defense. And so much for personnel matchups and the 4-Safety look and pattern matching.

How bad is the S group if Bethea is #9? He and Reid have been burned (and late) as much as the CB's who are looking to them for over-the-top help.

Armstead is top rated in coverage? LOL. Fun stuff and thanks for posting.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

We all know he left b/c he was butthurt he didn't get the HC job. But at the end of day he did chose to leave and he now is DCing a defense that is dead last in points. It's turning out to be a lose-lose for everyone.

Why would he have chose to stay when they were trying to hire Gase and force JT as the DC?

Where is this coming from? I haven't read one article that says we were trying to force JT as DC. Not one. The only article that says this is a "unnamed sources" article from Kawakami - who's proven to be a outright liar. Regardless of how people were hired, etc., IMHO, it's what people do when things are going wrong that defines everything. What's problematic is how there's no urgency to get things changed. I fear insanity is on display.

There was an article posted in one of the threads regarding it. I have no idea if it is 100% accurate but it seems par for the course for this FO. And yes I cannot stand TK and thing he fabricated and insinuates things without fact.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
There was an article posted in one of the threads regarding it. I have no idea if it is 100% accurate but it seems par for the course for this FO. And yes I cannot stand TK and thing he fabricated and insinuates things without fact.

It wasn't just Kawakami, there were three or four different sources such as Albert Breer that reported the exact same thing. The sources all pretty much say the same thing, Baalke had a very good meeting with Gase. According to Denver media, a verbal offer was made and accepted.

Then the next day out of the blue, Gase was called up and said that the job was contingent upon him taking Tomsula as his DC. Gase refused and that was it. It was also reported that Tomsula hadn't even been brought up once the previous day during the seven or eight hour meeting that Baalke had with Gase. Then Tomsula tried to hire Gase as his OC and Gase was basically like "f**k you guys."

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

There was an article posted in one of the threads regarding it. I have no idea if it is 100% accurate but it seems par for the course for this FO. And yes I cannot stand TK and thing he fabricated and insinuates things without fact.

It wasn't just Kawakami, there were three or four different sources such as Albert Breer that reported the exact same thing. The sources all pretty much say the same thing, Baalke had a very good meeting with Gase. According to Denver media, a verbal offer was made and accepted.

Then the next day out of the blue, Gase was called up and said that the job was contingent upon him taking Tomsula as his DC. Gase refused and that was it. It was also reported that Tomsula hadn't even been brought up once the previous day during the seven or eight hour meeting that Baalke had with Gase. Then Tomsula tried to hire Gase as his OC and Gase was basically like "f**k you guys."

Thanks Phoenix. I know I discussed this with you previously I just couldn't remember the thread