Eric Mangini Thread

Originally posted by Stud:
Zone Defense. Giants players were literally wide open all game, 10-15 yard cushions it seemed. Hence the 525 yards of Giants offense.

There was so very good coverage tonight but they didn't maintain it for the whole game and went into a prevent in the last drive...but if they had played tight and been beaten deep we'd be screaming they should have played off...9er lost so they were wrong!

Originally posted by thl408:
Is it fair to question Tomsula for signing off on these gameplans? I mean if Tomsula isn't heavily involved in the offense (personal speculation), he's saying, "yeah, moar zone plz". Step in and veto this weak ass defensive gameplanning.

A minute left with no receivers on the field...Mangini may have thought the DBs could keep the ball short and bleed the clock...if so he was wrong.

Originally posted by Evilgenius:

He's coaching his ass out of the league at this point. Go back to television.

I did like him in ESPN.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by Stud:
Zone Defense. Giants players were literally wide open all game, 10-15 yard cushions it seemed. Hence the 525 yards of Giants offense.

There was so very good coverage tonight but they didn't maintain it for the whole game and went into a prevent in the last drive...but if they had played tight and been beaten deep we'd be screaming they should have played off...9er lost so they were wrong!

On that last drive, there was no OBJ or Randle, their top two WRs. Challenge those backup WRs to win it. Giving short dumpoffs to Vareen was so frustrating to watch.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
A minute left with no receivers on the field...Mangini may have thought the DBs could keep the ball short and bleed the clock...if so he was wrong.

Typical prevent (from winning) defense.

Originally posted by thl408:
On that last drive, there was no OBJ or Randle, their top two WRs. Challenge those backup WRs to win it. Giving short dumpoffs to Vareen was so frustrating to watch.

Can't believe they allowed Vereen to get 51 yards receiving on that final drive with no resistance at all. So frustrating.

Originally posted by thl408:
Is it fair to question Tomsula for signing off on these gameplans? I mean if Tomsula isn't heavily involved in the offense (personal speculation), he's saying, "yeah, moar zone plz". Step in and veto this weak ass defensive gameplanning.

Exactly..Who in their right mind thought that going back to the same gameplan that we used against Pitt/Ari was a good idea?

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by thl408:

Bolded is what I thought as well. I have a feeling the film of tonight's defense is going to look a lot like ARI's where Fitz was killing it over the middle. Zone defense versus Ben and Palmer, two grizzled vets, and they light us up. Man coverage against Rodgers and he's contained. Let's go back to zone against Eli who is a veteran of however many years. Genius.

Unbelievable. I'm at a loss, just don't understand what the coaches are thinking

The coaches are in over their heads. It's that simple.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by thl408:

Bolded is what I thought as well. I have a feeling the film of tonight's defense is going to look a lot like ARI's where Fitz was killing it over the middle. Zone defense versus Ben and Palmer, two grizzled vets, and they light us up. Man coverage against Rodgers and he's contained. Let's go back to zone against Eli who is a veteran of however many years. Genius.

Unbelievable. I'm at a loss, just don't understand what the coaches are thinking

Coach. What the coach is thinking.

Is it fair to question Tomsula for signing off on these gameplans? I mean if Tomsula isn't heavily involved in the offense (personal speculation), he's saying, "yeah, moar zone plz". Step in and veto this weak ass defensive gameplanning.

Tomsula has no say. Remember baalke interrupting him during his first press conf saying "we're going to run the football"?

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
There was so very good coverage tonight but they didn't maintain it for the whole game and went into a prevent in the last drive...but if they had played tight and been beaten deep we'd be screaming they should have played off...9er lost so they were wrong!

I must have missed that because it seemed like not only was there no pressure (No sacks on Eli tonight) but their receivers were wide open every time. It was literally watching the Pitt/Arizona games all over again. The fact that this coaching staff went back to it is astonishing.

Originally posted by NinersFTW:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by thl408:
Bolded is what I thought as well. I have a feeling the film of tonight's defense is going to look a lot like ARI's where Fitz was killing it over the middle. Zone defense versus Ben and Palmer, two grizzled vets, and they light us up. Man coverage against Rodgers and he's contained. Let's go back to zone against Eli who is a veteran of however many years. Genius.

Unbelievable. I'm at a loss, just don't understand what the coaches are thinking

Coach. What the coach is thinking.

Is it fair to question Tomsula for signing off on these gameplans? I mean if Tomsula isn't heavily involved in the offense (personal speculation), he's saying, "yeah, moar zone plz". Step in and veto this weak ass defensive gameplanning.

Tomsula has no say. Remember baalke interrupting him during his first press conf saying "we're going to run the football"?

I get the feeling Tomsula wants to be able to trust Mangini, and not force him to call the defense a certain way. But when things aren't working, that's exactly what he has to do. Mangini's defense has been a trainwreck. Whatever we've done in the PIT, ARI, NYG game needs to be thrown in a dumpster fire. Inexcusable the way the defense lost the game today.

Originally posted by NinersFTW:
Tomsula has no say. Remember baalke interrupting him during his first press conf saying "we're going to run the football"?

I do, and I know why Baalke said that. It's because Tomsula didn't answer the question correctly. Tomsula gave a long winded, high level view about how they'd adapt the scheme to their personnel. Matt Barrows was looking for a much more straight forward answer. Baalke should not have interrupted to say that because it can be interpreted that Tomsula isn't calling any shots, but I am sure it isn't Baalke signing off on defensive gameplans. But if by chance he is, which I doubt, we are in deeper crap than I thought. Anyway, I think Tomsula needs to check Mangini. Stop doing what only worked once versus an inexperienced Bridgewater. Or, what if it's Tomsula's gameplans and Mangini is the one saying, "wtf are we doing?". Who knows.

We need a micro-manager to come in and check this fool....

Originally posted by NinerGM:
I absolutely agree. I guess I was just holding the DC more responsible because he's the supposed expert. In many ways I guess maybe I'm giving the head coach too much slack because I know he's never called an offense or a defense before.

I agree with you. The DC is most responsible, it's his job to call the game. I hold Tomsula responsible if after seeing Mangini's defense for several weeks, the proper changes are not made.

This zone coverage scheme got us torched against PIT, AZ, and now NYG. It has no business being in the gameplan at this point. We tried something different against GB, going back a little to what we did last year, and it worked. I have no idea why they reverted back to the same crap that got them killed in weeks past. In every road game so far this year, the defense has been completely annihilated.