Eric Mangini Thread

Who knows, Mangini, the next game will have all of our DL drop back into deep quarters and all of our DB's rush. There was a play in the NYG game where Bow was playing RILB and Wilhoite was playing LILB. Bowman blitzed and it was Wilhoite's job to sprint to cover the right flat/seam area.

Result: NYG had a TE curl at the seam and a receiver or RB flare into the flat. QB threw the flat but both were wide open as Wilhoite was sprinting from the opposite side of the field trying to get to his spot. Quick pass play and our guys is sprinting to his responsibility rather than reacting to the actual context of the play. SMH. Luckily, the DB who appeared to be going into deep 3rd stopped and got the tackle for the short gain.

This dumb defense is spreading our LB's too damn thin. We really only have 2 coverage LB's and one of those 2 isn't 100% and the other just can't cover well. SMH^2.

Tomsula needs to do something about this.

Mangini...conjures up the "F" word. The 4 letter F word. FIRE...Fire him now, and let JT call the D...or you pick your guy. But this DC is in way over his head. He put his stamp on this D and it flat out is a round peg in a square hole. Get him out of there. Only a fool can't see what he is doing...killing us, just as we get the O somewhat back on the rails. Man this is frustrating. Keep him the entire yr and you are looking at giving every single other game away. Fire him now and watch the D get better, going back to our previous DC's D plan. Mangini obviously doesn't see it or is so pigheaded that he won't change because this is his idea. Laughable now how after game one, many were wondering if someone would take him away from us and be HC elsewhere. Bet that idea is in the krapper thruout the league.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Mangini...conjures up the "F" word. The 4 letter F word. FIRE...Fire him now, and let JT call the D...or you pick your guy. But this DC is in way over his head. He put his stamp on this D and it flat out is a round peg in a square hole. Get him out of there. Only a fool can't see what he is doing...killing us, just as we get the O somewhat back on the rails. Man this is frustrating. Keep him the entire yr and you are looking at giving every single other game away. Fire him now and watch the D get better, going back to our previous DC's D plan. Mangini obviously doesn't see it or is so pigheaded that he won't change because this is his idea. Laughable now how after game one, many were wondering if someone would take him away from us and be HC elsewhere. Bet that idea is in the krapper thruout the league.

Every day I come on to the zone hoping to see Mangini jas been fired and wvery day im disappointed. Mangini was by far the worst hire made.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Mangini...conjures up the "F" word. The 4 letter F word. FIRE...Fire him now, and let JT call the D...or you pick your guy. But this DC is in way over his head. He put his stamp on this D and it flat out is a round peg in a square hole. Get him out of there. Only a fool can't see what he is doing...killing us, just as we get the O somewhat back on the rails. Man this is frustrating. Keep him the entire yr and you are looking at giving every single other game away. Fire him now and watch the D get better, going back to our previous DC's D plan. Mangini obviously doesn't see it or is so pigheaded that he won't change because this is his idea. Laughable now how after game one, many were wondering if someone would take him away from us and be HC elsewhere. Bet that idea is in the krapper thruout the league.

This. If our D thinks less, then we have one of the faster defenses in the league. Even Bowman now is still faster and quicker than 90% of the LB's in the league. Lynch is showing he is climbing to the top as a rusher and Brooks' talent is in the top end of the league. Let Wilhoite play the Ted to maximize his skills and let these f**kers play!

I do seriously think that Jimmy T can run a more threatening and effective defense than Mangini.

Mangini is the one having the most issues. Personally I think Mangini needs to go to the booth, but it sounds like they have on-field hand signs so that could be the reason they aren't doing that.

The scheme has to adjust. We simply don't do well with zone coverage. Too many busted coverages. Mangini is not an idiot in terms of knowledge of scheme -- he knows how to employ the other concept -- he was just an idiot in terms of applying the wrong scheme to our personnel. We are not built for zone and I am sick of the square peg in round hole mindset. Play press-man, play defense well, and with our offense improving, this team becomes much more dangerous.

I hate to say it, but I agree with the notion that if this becomes a trend, Tomsula needs to take over calling the defense. That will affect him in other areas, but it would help with the defense I bet.

On the Clock....that is mangini , right this moment. On the clock. If he doesn't reverse course, he is gone. And I think the ravens game is it for him if he shows the zone again. Damn what a knuckle headed turdt. How the heck can everybody see it but him? Jeez, he's the DC for heaven's sakes. One game and he is OTC. I don't care if he does call a great game. The last 4 have been inexcusable, and needs to be fired.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
On the Clock....that is mangini , right this moment. On the clock. If he doesn't reverse course, he is gone. And I think the ravens game is it for him if he shows the zone again. Damn what a knuckle headed turdt. How the heck can everybody see it but him? Jeez, he's the DC for heaven's sakes. One game and he is OTC. I don't care if he does call a great game. The last 4 have been inexcusable, and needs to be fired.

If our defenders appear lost vs BAL and their body language makes it evident, I don't think Jimmy T has any other choice but to either force Mangini to let the players' talents decide the game or to give Mangini the boot.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Mangini is the one having the most issues. Personally I think Mangini needs to go to the booth, but it sounds like they have on-field hand signs so that could be the reason they aren't doing that.

The scheme has to adjust. We simply don't do well with zone coverage. Too many busted coverages. Mangini is not an idiot in terms of knowledge of scheme -- he knows how to employ the other concept -- he was just an idiot in terms of applying the wrong scheme to our personnel. We are not built for zone and I am sick of the square peg in round hole mindset. Play press-man, play defense well, and with our offense improving, this team becomes much more dangerous.

I hate to say it, but I agree with the notion that if this becomes a trend, Tomsula needs to take over calling the defense. That will affect him in other areas, but it would help with the defense I bet.

I've been hoping Mangini will go to the booth as well. It can't be any more difficult, signal-wise, than offense. He needs to see the confusion from a better angle while the game is going on.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Mangini is the one having the most issues. Personally I think Mangini needs to go to the booth, but it sounds like they have on-field hand signs so that could be the reason they aren't doing that.

The scheme has to adjust. We simply don't do well with zone coverage. Too many busted coverages. Mangini is not an idiot in terms of knowledge of scheme -- he knows how to employ the other concept -- he was just an idiot in terms of applying the wrong scheme to our personnel. We are not built for zone and I am sick of the square peg in round hole mindset. Play press-man, play defense well, and with our offense improving, this team becomes much more dangerous.

I hate to say it, but I agree with the notion that if this becomes a trend, Tomsula needs to take over calling the defense. That will affect him in other areas, but it would help with the defense I bet.

I've been hoping Mangini will go to the booth as well. It can't be any more difficult, signal-wise, than offense. He needs to see the confusion from a better angle while the game is going on.

It think his personnel groupings are very complicated. Remember in preseason when it was written that the personnel subbing requires the position coaches to be responsible for their own part of the defense. We all knew right then that this was not going to end well.

Originally posted by Joecool:
It think his personnel groupings are very complicated. Remember in preseason when it was written that the personnel subbing requires the position coaches to be responsible for their own part of the defense. We all knew right then that this was not going to end well.

No reason he can't have one of his assistants on the sideline relaying calls then.

From two articles:

The first one proves Mangini is all about disguise more than he is about just stopping the play post snap. The second one puts him in Harbaugh too complicated status.

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Mangini: "If good quarterbacks know what you're in, there's always something in a pattern that can beat that coverage," Mangini said. "So I'm a big believer in making an offense make post-snap decisions, so that they have to react."


2.
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/49ers/2015/08/18/eric-mangini-describes-how-49ers-defensive-staff-communicates-on-game-days/
Allow defensive coordinator Eric Mangini to explain:

"I'll get the personnel from, Mick Lombardi (defensive assistant) did it this weekend with Jason Tarver (senior defensive assistant/linebacker) in the booth and E.J. (Ejiro Evero, defensive assistant) as well. Mick is giving me the personnel, Jason will confirm that and also talk about down and distance. They'll both be looking at substitutions.

"That comes down to me. I'll make the call into the players. Clancy (Pendergast, linebackers coach) and Tim (Lewis, secondary coach) both work on personnel, getting the right guys in and out.

"After the play, everybody is tied into a different personnel. Jason works the front seven. I can work with the front seven or back end. Up in the booth, Mick's been working with the secondary, E.J.'s been working with the linebackers. Each position is covered up top, and below.

"It's a little bit like air traffic control."

well, I finished watching the first half of the coaches film - not sure if this makes me feel better or worse - but the whole, 'mangini played soft zone all game', completely inaccurate. We played spot dropping zone on only about 20-25% of our defensive snaps. We got whooped in man-coverage and whooped trying to play pattern match zone. In pattern match(at least in the first half) Tartt and Reaser looked lost and didn't know how to pass off their men. In zone, our LB's and Tartt got exposed...

The biggest thing - not surprisingly, was no pass rush from anyone not named Lynch....

Originally posted by jonnydel:
well, I finished watching the first half of the coaches film - not sure if this makes me feel better or worse - but the whole, 'mangini played soft zone all game', completely inaccurate. We played spot dropping zone on only about 20-25% of our defensive snaps. We got whooped in man-coverage and whooped trying to play pattern match zone. In pattern match(at least in the first half) Tartt and Reaser looked lost and didn't know how to pass off their men. In zone, our LB's and Tartt got exposed...

The biggest thing - not surprisingly, was no pass rush from anyone not named Lynch....

Mangini would appreciate this post. He got pummeled after the game. Young and inexperience DB. We've got to live with it for bit more. Look at the bright side, there was a couple of INT that they could've made to changed the game.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
well, I finished watching the first half of the coaches film - not sure if this makes me feel better or worse - but the whole, 'mangini played soft zone all game', completely inaccurate. We played spot dropping zone on only about 20-25% of our defensive snaps. We got whooped in man-coverage and whooped trying to play pattern match zone. In pattern match(at least in the first half) Tartt and Reaser looked lost and didn't know how to pass off their men. In zone, our LB's and Tartt got exposed...

The biggest thing - not surprisingly, was no pass rush from anyone not named Lynch....

Mangini would appreciate this post. He got pummeled after the game. Young and inexperience DB. We've got to live with it for bit more. Look at the bright side, there was a couple of INT that they could've made to changed the game.

Yeah but that still doesn't account for the LB's appearing to try to cover too much space. The pass rush would not have made a difference since Eli was getting the ball out so quickly.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
well, I finished watching the first half of the coaches film - not sure if this makes me feel better or worse - but the whole, 'mangini played soft zone all game', completely inaccurate. We played spot dropping zone on only about 20-25% of our defensive snaps. We got whooped in man-coverage and whooped trying to play pattern match zone. In pattern match(at least in the first half) Tartt and Reaser looked lost and didn't know how to pass off their men. In zone, our LB's and Tartt got exposed...

The biggest thing - not surprisingly, was no pass rush from anyone not named Lynch....

Mangini would appreciate this post. He got pummeled after the game. Young and inexperience DB. We've got to live with it for bit more. Look at the bright side, there was a couple of INT that they could've made to changed the game.

Yeah but that still doesn't account for the LB's appearing to try to cover too much space. The pass rush would not have made a difference since Eli was getting the ball out so quickly.

some of that was a result of guys getting lost in their pattern match. If guys don't match correctly, that's what you'll end up with - an underneath defender alone in a large space.