Eric Mangini Thread

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by thl408:
Huge props for shutting down the ATL run game as well as some well timed blitzes. The 49ers defense continues to show well at home. Ryan went with the checkdown a number of times for minimal yards. ATL only converted on 5-15 3rd down opportunities and the red zone stand towards the end of the 4th quarter was very well played to force the FG. Nice disguised 4 man rush on 1st down to generate an unblocked rusher. Props to DJohnson (2nd down) and Ward (3rd down).

We did very well vs one of the league's top 10 offenses. I think as long as Tank stays out of the lineup and Purcell gets more reps, we should do much better vs Marshawn. Just need Wilhoite to come through in two weeks.

god i hope tank somehow gets better soon

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by thl408:
Just wanted to mention the bomb to Julio at the end of the 1st half. It was Tampa2 so that's why Bow was running down the middle of the field. Bow was not manned up on Julio. This is the same situation as when Wilhoite was covering Wheaton versus PIT, deep down the field. I know many were like, "wtf Mangini why you cover Julio with Bow".

Yeah but it was a rainbow sort of jump ball. Reid dissappointed. He took an angle that was towards the LOS instead of a more horizontal angle.

thl, prove me wrong with the coaches film. I'm excited to see that film this week.

Just watched that play again and it looks like Reid is going back to his deep half, and is somewhat held to his side by another receiver running an out. By the time he sees the ball up and going toward Julio, he's too far away to make a play on the ball. My initial reaction is that it would be hard to fault Reid for that play, but THL will know better than me. I couldn't see what was going on with the other side of the play, but perhaps Tartt should have been deeper on the other side. He was also late getting over to Julio.

We may just have to chalk it up to a nice play call by Atlanta against the defensive call.

Originally posted by JoeBart324:

Originally posted by thl408:
Just wanted to mention the bomb to Julio at the end of the 1st half. It was Tampa2 so that's why Bow was running down the middle of the field. Bow was not manned up on Julio. This is the same situation as when Wilhoite was covering Wheaton versus PIT, deep down the field. I know many were like, "wtf Mangini why you cover Julio with Bow".

This was my first thought when I saw Bowman that deep. We haven't seen Tampa2 plays until Mangini and he seems to use a few every week.

Fangio never, and I don't use that word often, never called Tampa2 in 2013/14. My guess is Mangini thought he had a good pass rush so he implemented Tampa2 in camp, practiced it, then "oh crap, we don't have Aldon".

Originally posted by Joecool:
Yeah but it was a rainbow sort of jump ball. Reid dissappointed. He took an angle that was towards the LOS instead of a more horizontal angle.

thl, prove me wrong with the coaches film. I'm excited to see that film this week.

It was impossible to from the TV view if there were routes occupying Reid and Tartt (the two deep safeties), but Julio went right down the middle to victimize Bow's deep zone.

Originally posted by JoeBart324:
Just watched that play again and it looks like Reid is going back to his deep half, and is somewhat held to his side by another receiver running an out. By the time he sees the ball up and going toward Julio, he's too far away to make a play on the ball. My initial reaction is that it would be hard to fault Reid for that play, but THL will know better than me. I couldn't see what was going on with the other side of the play, but perhaps Tartt should have been deeper on the other side. He was also late getting over to Julio.

Yeah it's hard to tell if Reid and Tartt had to respect another route in their zone. If not, then one of them should have identified Julio running right down the middle of the field. If there was a route to occupy them, then it's a good play design on ATL's part. I'll report back on this play.

Originally posted by JoeBart324:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by thl408:
Just wanted to mention the bomb to Julio at the end of the 1st half. It was Tampa2 so that's why Bow was running down the middle of the field. Bow was not manned up on Julio. This is the same situation as when Wilhoite was covering Wheaton versus PIT, deep down the field. I know many were like, "wtf Mangini why you cover Julio with Bow".

Yeah but it was a rainbow sort of jump ball. Reid dissappointed. He took an angle that was towards the LOS instead of a more horizontal angle.

thl, prove me wrong with the coaches film. I'm excited to see that film this week.

Just watched that play again and it looks like Reid is going back to his deep half, and is somewhat held to his side by another receiver running an out. By the time he sees the ball up and going toward Julio, he's too far away to make a play on the ball. My initial reaction is that it would be hard to fault Reid for that play, but THL will know better than me. I couldn't see what was going on with the other side of the play, but perhaps Tartt should have been deeper on the other side. He was also late getting over to Julio.

We may just have to chalk it up to a nice play call by Atlanta against the defensive call.

Yes, Reid was falling back to his responsibility but it was a rainbow throw. We saw Tartt veer from the outside WR to put a strong hit on Jones.

Would be nice to see where both Reid and Tartt were but from what I saw, Reid's anticipation/reaction was horrible considering it was zone. If the ball was on a rope, I would understand but it had a lot of air under it. Reid appeared to come down where Jones was instead of following the ball to where it was landing. And he didn't even get their in time to make a tackle. In fact, Tartt, who was initially farther away made the tackle.

At the time the ball was thrown, Jones was on Reid's side of the field. The ball had so much air under it that Jones caught it on the right hash. Reid was initially the closest defender and didn't react in time to even make the tackle.

I really don't like the way Reid plays. He may have been a probowler in a different type of offense or a stronger front, but I think he's a liability.

Just looked at the QB view. Two receivers Jones and the other guy were bunched on Reid's side. The outside receiver ran a 10 yard curl which there is a CB on that side also. Jones was the deep route. Brooks had the underneath on that curl route covered with a DB to help. The only deep route coming Reid's way was Jones.

Reid's mistake.

Originally posted by thl408:
Yeah it's hard to tell if Reid and Tartt had to respect another route in their zone. If not, then one of them should have identified Julio running right down the middle of the field. If there was a route to occupy them, then it's a good play design on ATL's part. I'll report back on this play.

Are you going to be able to address this in the future game threads?

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by thl408:
Yeah it's hard to tell if Reid and Tartt had to respect another route in their zone. If not, then one of them should have identified Julio running right down the middle of the field. If there was a route to occupy them, then it's a good play design on ATL's part. I'll report back on this play.

Are you going to be able to address this in the future game threads?

I just think for a veteran safety, this happens too often. Maybe not the coverage mistake but the bad angles.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by thl408:
Yeah it's hard to tell if Reid and Tartt had to respect another route in their zone. If not, then one of them should have identified Julio running right down the middle of the field. If there was a route to occupy them, then it's a good play design on ATL's part. I'll report back on this play.

Are you going to be able to address this in the future game threads?

I just think for a veteran safety, this happens too often. Maybe not the coverage mistake but the bad angles.

This is Reid's third year, Ward's second, Tartt's first...not sure who you are referring to? Bethea is the only experienced vet they have and he's out.

I think I see Reid ad a veteran at this point.

The D seems to be really buying into the system Mangini has and it's paying off little by little. They are playing better each week. Even the Rams game. The D played real hard. Mangini really isn't bad, he just runs a more complicated defense

We'll see against Seattle, Cincinnati and then Arizona again. Will the DBs start locking down those oops long plays? Seattle isn't ranked as high but they give the niners fits and the game is in Seattle. Arizona and Cincinnati are both top ten offenses. Atlanta was ranked second so......I think the D will keep improving. Has to be a huge motivational moment to hold them to 16 points.

Originally posted by lamontb:
I think I see Reid ad a veteran at this point.

Reid has always had Bethea (or another veteran safety) to key on, but now he's the old guy and has to be a little less aggressive (including with his angles). I think he's smart enough to adjust and learn. Tartt and Ward played together in HS so I can see them helping each other and becoming very dynamic. I'm hoping for a three safety defense going forward. These guys can all play SS or FS and Tartt can play up with the LBs. Very versatile group!

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by JoeBart324:

Originally posted by thl408:
Just wanted to mention the bomb to Julio at the end of the 1st half. It was Tampa2 so that's why Bow was running down the middle of the field. Bow was not manned up on Julio. This is the same situation as when Wilhoite was covering Wheaton versus PIT, deep down the field. I know many were like, "wtf Mangini why you cover Julio with Bow".

This was my first thought when I saw Bowman that deep. We haven't seen Tampa2 plays until Mangini and he seems to use a few every week.

Fangio never, and I don't use that word often, never called Tampa2 in 2013/14. My guess is Mangini thought he had a good pass rush so he implemented Tampa2 in camp, practiced it, then "oh crap, we don't have Aldon".

Originally posted by Joecool:
Yeah but it was a rainbow sort of jump ball. Reid dissappointed. He took an angle that was towards the LOS instead of a more horizontal angle.

thl, prove me wrong with the coaches film. I'm excited to see that film this week.

It was impossible to from the TV view if there were routes occupying Reid and Tartt (the two deep safeties), but Julio went right down the middle to victimize Bow's deep zone.

Then why is Mangini calling a defense that relies on a quality pass rusher where none exists? Isn't the goal as a coach to put your players in the best position to win given their abilities--the calls such as the jones bomb and then the corner blitzes from 15 yards away(maybe an exaggeration on my part) confound me.

Originally posted by pickle:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by JoeBart324:

Originally posted by thl408:
Just wanted to mention the bomb to Julio at the end of the 1st half. It was Tampa2 so that's why Bow was running down the middle of the field. Bow was not manned up on Julio. This is the same situation as when Wilhoite was covering Wheaton versus PIT, deep down the field. I know many were like, "wtf Mangini why you cover Julio with Bow".

This was my first thought when I saw Bowman that deep. We haven't seen Tampa2 plays until Mangini and he seems to use a few every week.

Fangio never, and I don't use that word often, never called Tampa2 in 2013/14. My guess is Mangini thought he had a good pass rush so he implemented Tampa2 in camp, practiced it, then "oh crap, we don't have Aldon".

Originally posted by Joecool:
Yeah but it was a rainbow sort of jump ball. Reid dissappointed. He took an angle that was towards the LOS instead of a more horizontal angle.

thl, prove me wrong with the coaches film. I'm excited to see that film this week.

It was impossible to from the TV view if there were routes occupying Reid and Tartt (the two deep safeties), but Julio went right down the middle to victimize Bow's deep zone.

Then why is Mangini calling a defense that relies on a quality pass rusher where none exists? Isn't the goal as a coach to put your players in the best position to win given their abilities--the calls such as the jones bomb and then the corner blitzes from 15 yards away(maybe an exaggeration on my part) confound me.

Very few defenses are effective without a pass rush. Not sure how valid it is to criticize Mangini for that...seems we can thank Aldon Smith for his nonsense!

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by pickle:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by JoeBart324:

Originally posted by thl408:
Just wanted to mention the bomb to Julio at the end of the 1st half. It was Tampa2 so that's why Bow was running down the middle of the field. Bow was not manned up on Julio. This is the same situation as when Wilhoite was covering Wheaton versus PIT, deep down the field. I know many were like, "wtf Mangini why you cover Julio with Bow".

This was my first thought when I saw Bowman that deep. We haven't seen Tampa2 plays until Mangini and he seems to use a few every week.

Fangio never, and I don't use that word often, never called Tampa2 in 2013/14. My guess is Mangini thought he had a good pass rush so he implemented Tampa2 in camp, practiced it, then "oh crap, we don't have Aldon".

Originally posted by Joecool:
Yeah but it was a rainbow sort of jump ball. Reid dissappointed. He took an angle that was towards the LOS instead of a more horizontal angle.

thl, prove me wrong with the coaches film. I'm excited to see that film this week.

It was impossible to from the TV view if there were routes occupying Reid and Tartt (the two deep safeties), but Julio went right down the middle to victimize Bow's deep zone.

Then why is Mangini calling a defense that relies on a quality pass rusher where none exists? Isn't the goal as a coach to put your players in the best position to win given their abilities--the calls such as the jones bomb and then the corner blitzes from 15 yards away(maybe an exaggeration on my part) confound me.

Very few defenses are effective without a pass rush. Not sure how valid it is to criticize Mangini for that...seems we can thank Aldon Smith for his nonsense!

What I am asking/stating is a completely acceptable criticism of Mangini. A coach adapts scheme to talent, right? So, after 8 weeks we are still scheming to a pass rush that is non-existent. To me, that means coaching.