Eric Mangini Thread

Originally posted by KegBert:

Originally posted by pd24:
People are acting like our defensive players will start to suck and we won't be adding any more talent through FA and the draft

People are also acting like fangio wasn't a fantastic defensive coordinator and any bum off the street could have done what he did, conveniently forgetting he lead a top 5 D with a bunch of backups last year. Both lines of thinking are silly imo.

Care to make a wager on which defense does better, Chicago or the 49ers?

Originally posted by REB4:

Honestly, I don't think the 49ers had too much to choose from so this is better then pulling another Tomsula and promoting the equipment manager with Zero coordinator experience. But let's just remind all these 'respected' veteran posters all happy about this, what was the WORST performing group in that offense last year? Yup, Mangini's group.

Idk. The O line gave up 45 of the 52 team sacks, I believe.

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by KegBert:

Originally posted by pd24:

People are acting like our defensive players will start to suck and we won't be adding any more talent through FA and the draft

People are also acting like fangio wasn't a fantastic defensive coordinator and any bum off the street could have done what he did, conveniently forgetting he lead a top 5 D with a bunch of backups last year. Both lines of thinking are silly imo.

Care to make a wager on which defense does better, Chicago or the 49ers?

Fangio sucked before he joined the 49ers

Originally posted by awp8912:

Originally posted by insanemike27:
I posted this in the DC thread, thought maybe it would be relevant here and maybe some missed it.



Prior to becoming the defensive coordinator for the 49ers, Fangio's defenses only cracked the top 10 twice.

Defensive rankings by year.

'95-7th
'96-10th
'97-15th
'98-30th
'99-15th
'00-21st
'01-29th
'02-16th
'03-31st
'04-23rd
'05-31st

Whats your point? Fangio has already proven he is more than capable. Why get rid of an already successful coach for a garbage one that gets a chance to redeem himself, with this teams success hanging in the balance?

The point is that people are giving mangini crap for having the 17th ranked D in 05 when Fangio was pretty much dead last. Fangio is the one who drew the line in the sand and said if we don't give him the head coaching job he wouldn't "settle" for being the highest paid DC in the league.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by KegBert:

Originally posted by pd24:

People are acting like our defensive players will start to suck and we won't be adding any more talent through FA and the draft

People are also acting like fangio wasn't a fantastic defensive coordinator and any bum off the street could have done what he did, conveniently forgetting he lead a top 5 D with a bunch of backups last year. Both lines of thinking are silly imo.

Care to make a wager on which defense does better, Chicago or the 49ers?

Fangio sucked before he joined the 49ers

They may end up with a better secondary because of Donatell but Chicago does not have the front 7 that we have.

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by KegBert:

Originally posted by pd24:
People are acting like our defensive players will start to suck and we won't be adding any more talent through FA and the draft

People are also acting like fangio wasn't a fantastic defensive coordinator and any bum off the street could have done what he did, conveniently forgetting he lead a top 5 D with a bunch of backups last year. Both lines of thinking are silly imo.

Care to make a wager on which defense does better, Chicago or the 49ers?

Which defense does better? Definitely 49ers; much better talent. You could've instead asked - which coaching staff gets the most out of their roster - Chicago or SF? The jury's out on that one and we won't know till the next season plays out completely. Snap judgments at this point are pure conjecture.

Warming up to the idea of Mangini, he's a long time defensive coach, HC experience to help out Tomsula, and he will have good position coaches in Tarver and possibly Fewell.

Originally posted by ninerball:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by KegBert:

Originally posted by pd24:
People are acting like our defensive players will start to suck and we won't be adding any more talent through FA and the draft

People are also acting like fangio wasn't a fantastic defensive coordinator and any bum off the street could have done what he did, conveniently forgetting he lead a top 5 D with a bunch of backups last year. Both lines of thinking are silly imo.

Care to make a wager on which defense does better, Chicago or the 49ers?

Which defense does better? Definitely 49ers; much better talent. You could've instead asked - which coaching staff gets the most out of their roster - Chicago or SF? The jury's out on that one and we won't know till the next season plays out completely. Snap judgments at this point are pure conjecture.

In Fangio can lead a "bunch of backups" to a top 5 defense then he should be able to magically make the Bears better than the 49ers right? Also, who got the most out of their roster in 05 Fangio or Mangini?

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by ninerball:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by KegBert:

Originally posted by pd24:
People are acting like our defensive players will start to suck and we won't be adding any more talent through FA and the draft

People are also acting like fangio wasn't a fantastic defensive coordinator and any bum off the street could have done what he did, conveniently forgetting he lead a top 5 D with a bunch of backups last year. Both lines of thinking are silly imo.

Care to make a wager on which defense does better, Chicago or the 49ers?

Which defense does better? Definitely 49ers; much better talent. You could've instead asked - which coaching staff gets the most out of their roster - Chicago or SF? The jury's out on that one and we won't know till the next season plays out completely. Snap judgments at this point are pure conjecture.

In Fangio can lead a "bunch of backups" to a top 5 defense then he should be able to magically make the Bears better than the 49ers right? Also, who got the most out of their roster in 05 Fangio or Mangini?

'05 is a decade old and IMHO not so relevant to what's going to happen in '15. It is possible that Fangio "could" make the Bears better, that's clearly why he was hired. But whether he will is conjecture, right? For example, John Fox has had success with a 4-3 defense. Will they change to a 3-4 defense for Fangio? And if they don't, would it still be Fangio's fault if they suck? Also keep in mind that the Packers and Lions can put up points, so that's going to affect their total defense stats. Point being, we won't know how good a fit Fangio is in Chicago till the season plays out.

Originally posted by insanemike27:
Idk. The O line gave up 45 of the 52 team sacks, I believe.

Actually you believe wrong. They were NOT the worst performing group. Two of the starters, Staley & Iupati made the Pro Bowl. A third, Boone, was playing like a Pro Bowler after knocking off the rust of the holdout. Boone was playing as a top 5-10 guard in football after that according to Pro Football Focus doing great with the run & pass. The 4th Kilgore, was playing incredibly well before he blew out his knee. The 5th one, Anthony Davis was out for more then half the season, yet once he came back, the last two games the 49ers miraculously ran for 355 yards in one game & 206 in the next. Their replacements struggled just like any 2nd-3rd stringers would Now compare that to the absolutely pathetic production the TE group.

I'd suggest you think more and believe less.

Originally posted by ninerball:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by ninerball:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by KegBert:

Originally posted by pd24:
People are acting like our defensive players will start to suck and we won't be adding any more talent through FA and the draft

People are also acting like fangio wasn't a fantastic defensive coordinator and any bum off the street could have done what he did, conveniently forgetting he lead a top 5 D with a bunch of backups last year. Both lines of thinking are silly imo.

Care to make a wager on which defense does better, Chicago or the 49ers?

Which defense does better? Definitely 49ers; much better talent. You could've instead asked - which coaching staff gets the most out of their roster - Chicago or SF? The jury's out on that one and we won't know till the next season plays out completely. Snap judgments at this point are pure conjecture.

In Fangio can lead a "bunch of backups" to a top 5 defense then he should be able to magically make the Bears better than the 49ers right? Also, who got the most out of their roster in 05 Fangio or Mangini?

'05 is a decade old and IMHO not so relevant to what's going to happen in '15. It is possible that Fangio "could" make the Bears better, that's clearly why he was hired. But whether he will is conjecture, right? For example, John Fox has had success with a 4-3 defense. Will they change to a 3-4 defense for Fangio? And if they don't, would it still be Fangio's fault if they suck? Also keep in mind that the Packers and Lions can put up points, so that's going to affect their total defense stats. Point being, we won't know how good a fit Fangio is in Chicago till the season plays out.

Agreed. However, I will be willing to bet that Fangio's defense will be closer to 17th/26th and our defense will be closer to 5th/12th. Does that make Mangini the "Fantastic" DC and Fangio the "Failure?" I don't think so, yet some people in the WZ seem to.

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
The point is that people are giving mangini crap for having the 17th ranked D in 05 when Fangio was pretty much dead last. Fangio is the one who drew the line in the sand and said if we don't give him the head coaching job he wouldn't "settle" for being the highest paid DC in the league.

No most people are giving Mangini crap because he hasn't done ANYTHING these last few years to earn this. Fangio did miracles at Stanford AND the pros the last 7 years. Get your s**t right. Why would Fangio "settle" to work under a guy that has nothing to show he's HC material in the pros.

Originally posted by REB4:

Originally posted by insanemike27:
Idk. The O line gave up 45 of the 52 team sacks, I believe.

Actually you believe wrong. They were NOT the worst performing group. Two of the starters, Staley & Iupati made the Pro Bowl. A third, Boone, was playing like a Pro Bowler after knocking off the rust of the holdout. Boone was playing as a top 5-10 guard in football after that according to Pro Football Focus doing great with the run & pass. The 4th Kilgore, was playing incredibly well before he blew out his knee. The 5th one, Anthony Davis was out for more then half the season, yet once he came back, the last two games the 49ers miraculously ran for 355 yards in one game & 206 in the next. Their replacements struggled just like any 2nd-3rd stringers would Now compare that to the absolutely pathetic production the TE group.

I'd suggest you think more and believe less.

You're right! It's mangini's fault that Celek, Carrier, and Mcdonald ended up on IR and VD was hurt in the first STL game and wasn't the same since.

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by ninerball:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by ninerball:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by KegBert:

Originally posted by pd24:
People are acting like our defensive players will start to suck and we won't be adding any more talent through FA and the draft

People are also acting like fangio wasn't a fantastic defensive coordinator and any bum off the street could have done what he did, conveniently forgetting he lead a top 5 D with a bunch of backups last year. Both lines of thinking are silly imo.

Care to make a wager on which defense does better, Chicago or the 49ers?

Which defense does better? Definitely 49ers; much better talent. You could've instead asked - which coaching staff gets the most out of their roster - Chicago or SF? The jury's out on that one and we won't know till the next season plays out completely. Snap judgments at this point are pure conjecture.

In Fangio can lead a "bunch of backups" to a top 5 defense then he should be able to magically make the Bears better than the 49ers right? Also, who got the most out of their roster in 05 Fangio or Mangini?

'05 is a decade old and IMHO not so relevant to what's going to happen in '15. It is possible that Fangio "could" make the Bears better, that's clearly why he was hired. But whether he will is conjecture, right? For example, John Fox has had success with a 4-3 defense. Will they change to a 3-4 defense for Fangio? And if they don't, would it still be Fangio's fault if they suck? Also keep in mind that the Packers and Lions can put up points, so that's going to affect their total defense stats. Point being, we won't know how good a fit Fangio is in Chicago till the season plays out.

Agreed. However, I will be willing to bet that Fangio's defense will be closer to 17th/26th and our defense will be closer to 5th/12th. Does that make Mangini the "Fantastic" DC and Fangio the "Failure?" I don't think so, yet some people in the WZ seem to.

How our defense does will depend more on whether Justin Smith will return for another year and whether he'll still be effective like in the past. It will also depend on whether Tank and Dial can step up. I'm hoping Dorsey, Bowman and Brock return to play at a high level. Will Ward progress or regress? And will the tandem of Smith/Lynch at OLB make our pass rush as ferocious as people suspect it could be? Finally, what talent (via draft and free agency) will Baalke add to the defense? These are critical to whether we stay in the top 5 as a defense.

Mangini vs Fangio would be more evident on game days. Can Mangini make the in-game adjustments as well as Fangio? Will he keep the scheme simple enough for our play makers to play fast and not over think? Or will his "genius" be a hindrance to our play makers? Players have raved about Fangio's "tip-sheet" that helped them on game day, so can Mangini condense his film study and game plan in an effective "tip-sheet" like summary that's easy for the players to digest? We'll find out.

Originally posted by REB4:

Originally posted by insanemike27:

Idk. The O line gave up 45 of the 52 team sacks, I believe.

Actually you believe wrong. They were NOT the worst performing group. Two of the starters, Staley & Iupati made the Pro Bowl. A third, Boone, was playing like a Pro Bowler after knocking off the rust of the holdout. Boone was playing as a top 5-10 guard in football after that according to Pro Football Focus doing great with the run & pass. The 4th Kilgore, was playing incredibly well before he blew out his knee. The 5th one, Anthony Davis was out for more then half the season, yet once he came back, the last two games the 49ers miraculously ran for 355 yards in one game & 206 in the next. Their replacements struggled just like any 2nd-3rd stringers would Now compare that to the absolutely pathetic production the TE group.

I'd suggest you think more and believe less.

Well since we're using injuries as an excuse, who the hell did Mangini have to work with this past season? I'd say, maybe you should take your own advice.