Eric Mangini Thread

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by thl408:
With Mangini on board, I can see Cox getting more valued than Cully. Being that Cox is a better pattern match defender. We'll see.

Music to my ears! It also may be time for Cully to be swept out as they try to clean up the roster.

I can't wait to see what direction we start to go in once we get an OC...what philosophy we will employ and how that will affect the personnel moving forward.

do you guys think justins decision whether to come back or not has a major issue on the draft in regards to the line?

Well, technically, the Tank draft pick was for the eventual departure of Justin. That said, the FO couldn't have anticipated the d-bag RayMac-moves either which is why Dial has been so important us as well. You'll see, when this kid starts to play FT and settles in at LDE, watch out. Also, I have a feeling the assignments will be a bit different under Mangini as they were under Fangio. While Fangio's secondary schemes could be pretty exotic, his front 7 were not. Both of our OLB's and ILB's spent a lot of time in coverage. I get this feeling that we'll be attacking more downhill now and that the DE's won't be just tying up 2 OL for stunts by the OLB's. We may see an emphasis on more pressure from the DE's going forward and perhaps, more of a rotation?

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by thl408:
With Mangini on board, I can see Cox getting more valued than Cully. Being that Cox is a better pattern match defender. We'll see.

Music to my ears! It also may be time for Cully to be swept out as they try to clean up the roster.

I can't wait to see what direction we start to go in once we get an OC...what philosophy we will employ and how that will affect the personnel moving forward.

Agree! It will be interesting to see if Baalke drafts differently toward the new scheme. If it's a Coryell offense he may see the need for more vertical receivers, though I thought the Harbaugh offense could have used them as well.

Looking at the personnel is a bit confusing as I still believe they are somewhat mismatched for a particular scheme and need to either use the various assets or make changes.

Will be watching:

• TE--will they be blockers or receiving threats...or injured!
• WR--does Baalke go after a threat in the first round? Or will they continue to build an all around solid but not scary receiver corps.
• OL--do they keep Iupati? Boone at OT? I've read that zone requires so much practice that it needs to be used almost all the time to stay in sync.
• QB--can a new OC help Kaepernick learn and improve?

Wish they could start two weeks ago...LOL! But with the limited practices in the current CBA I'm a bit worried this transition will take more than one off season.

Yeah, I think we may seeing a bit of transition here on both offense and defense. Some minor tweeks...not major overhaul changes, I hope. The personnel will start to demonstrate that as well. Like perhaps, more ZBS vs. power. Perhaps more downhill blitzing from the front 7? We'll see!

TE's? You mean receiving TE's used to block FT and as a result, have injured backs. LOL. Yeah, I'm hoping we employ a different philosophy there. Ha
WR's? This is an interesting one. We can go so many different directions here. If it's a WCO, looks to the bigger 6'3" 220-type body. If it's a digital system, probably more slippery WR's with epic short-area quickness and speed.
OL? More ZBS personnel (smallr, quicker, more athletic and very smart and technically sond) or staying with power (brauns over IQ here...Boone, Iupati, etc. )?
QB? This is, like you noted, 100% on what type of scheme we do run.

Truth be told, both units/personnel will be learning new playooks. That takes time. Period. The good news is that since we have a new HC and coaching staff, I believe we get to start earlier than most teams. Is that correct?

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, I think we may seeing a bit of transition here on both offense and defense. Some minor tweeks...not major overhaul changes, I hope. The personnel will start to demonstrate that as well. Like perhaps, more ZBS vs. power. Perhaps more downhill blitzing from the front 7? We'll see!

TE's? You mean receiving TE's used to block FT and as a result, have injured backs. LOL. Yeah, I'm hoping we employ a different philosophy there. Ha
WR's? This is an interesting one. We can go so many different directions here. If it's a WCO, looks to the bigger 6'3" 220-type body. If it's a digital system, probably more slippery WR's with epic short-area quickness and speed.
OL? More ZBS personnel (smallr, quicker, more athletic and very smart and technically sond) or staying with power (brauns over IQ here...Boone, Iupati, etc. )?
QB? This is, like you noted, 100% on what type of scheme we do run.

Truth be told, both units/personnel will be learning new playooks. That takes time. Period. The good news is that since we have a new HC and coaching staff, I believe we get to start earlier than most teams. Is that correct?

I believe so...Bueller?

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Yeah, I think we may seeing a bit of transition here on both offense and defense. Some minor tweeks...not major overhaul changes, I hope. The personnel will start to demonstrate that as well. Like perhaps, more ZBS vs. power. Perhaps more downhill blitzing from the front 7? We'll see!

TE's? You mean receiving TE's used to block FT and as a result, have injured backs. LOL. Yeah, I'm hoping we employ a different philosophy there. Ha
WR's? This is an interesting one. We can go so many different directions here. If it's a WCO, looks to the bigger 6'3" 220-type body. If it's a digital system, probably more slippery WR's with epic short-area quickness and speed.
OL? More ZBS personnel (smallr, quicker, more athletic and very smart and technically sond) or staying with power (brauns over IQ here...Boone, Iupati, etc. )?
QB? This is, like you noted, 100% on what type of scheme we do run.

Truth be told, both units/personnel will be learning new playooks. That takes time. Period. The good news is that since we have a new HC and coaching staff, I believe we get to start earlier than most teams. Is that correct?

I believe so...Bueller?

That's correct, teams with new HC's get to start 2 weeks earlier than everyone else

Originally posted by Luckycharms:
That's correct, teams with new HC's get to start 2 weeks earlier than everyone else

Which is great b/c this is an experienced group. That rule was designed really, for those teams starting over. That is certainly not the case for us. Can't wait to see these guys get to work!

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, I think we may seeing a bit of transition here on both offense and defense. Some minor tweeks...not major overhaul changes, I hope. The personnel will start to demonstrate that as well. Like perhaps, more ZBS vs. power. Perhaps more downhill blitzing from the front 7? We'll see!

TE's? You mean receiving TE's used to block FT and as a result, have injured backs. LOL. Yeah, I'm hoping we employ a different philosophy there. Ha
WR's? This is an interesting one. We can go so many different directions here. If it's a WCO, looks to the bigger 6'3" 220-type body. If it's a digital system, probably more slippery WR's with epic short-area quickness and speed.
OL? More ZBS personnel (smallr, quicker, more athletic and very smart and technically sond) or staying with power (brauns over IQ here...Boone, Iupati, etc. )?
QB? This is, like you noted, 100% on what type of scheme we do run.

Truth be told, both units/personnel will be learning new playooks. That takes time. Period. The good news is that since we have a new HC and coaching staff, I believe we get to start earlier than most teams. Is that correct?

I believe so...Bueller?

Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, I think we may seeing a bit of transition here on both offense and defense. Some minor tweeks...not major overhaul changes, I hope. The personnel will start to demonstrate that as well. Like perhaps, more ZBS vs. power. Perhaps more downhill blitzing from the front 7? We'll see!

TE's? You mean receiving TE's used to block FT and as a result, have injured backs. LOL. Yeah, I'm hoping we employ a different philosophy there. Ha
WR's? This is an interesting one. We can go so many different directions here. If it's a WCO, looks to the bigger 6'3" 220-type body. If it's a digital system, probably more slippery WR's with epic short-area quickness and speed.
OL? More ZBS personnel (smallr, quicker, more athletic and very smart and technically sond) or staying with power (brauns over IQ here...Boone, Iupati, etc. )?
QB? This is, like you noted, 100% on what type of scheme we do run.

Truth be told, both units/personnel will be learning new playooks. That takes time. Period. The good news is that since we have a new HC and coaching staff, I believe we get to start earlier than most teams. Is that correct?

I believe so...Bueller?

Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?

Go niners!

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Go niners!

Still a classic!

I wonder why the 49ers didn't interview other DCs like Jim Schwartz or wait to see if the could interview Vance Joseph like Denver is doing before making the Mangini hire. It seems a little odd.

Originally posted by jimmythegreekjr:
I wonder why the 49ers didn't interview other DCs like Jim Schwartz or wait to see if the could interview Vance Joseph like Denver is doing before making the Mangini hire. It seems a little odd.

I have an odd feeling that Schwartz might be waiting for a particular team's job to open up.....*cough* Seattle *cough*, and I guess they figured that Joseph was a long shot at best, Mangini may have also been fairly impressive during his interview and they didn't want to lose him to a team like Oakland that is now resorting to interviewing college candidates.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by jimmythegreekjr:
I wonder why the 49ers didn't interview other DCs like Jim Schwartz or wait to see if the could interview Vance Joseph like Denver is doing before making the Mangini hire. It seems a little odd.

I have an odd feeling that Schwartz might be waiting for a particular team's job to open up.....*cough* Seattle *cough*, and I guess they figured that Joseph was a long shot at best, Mangini may have also been fairly impressive during his interview and they didn't want to lose him to a team like Oakland that is now resorting to interviewing college candidates.

That makes sense. Mangini could have been hired while we were waiting.

I hope Mangini brings more pressure than Fangio.

Originally posted by jimmythegreekjr:
That makes sense. Mangini could have been hired while we were waiting.

Its hard to get excited about the hire, but I can't really get all that down on it since he does have a pretty strong defensive background and if you look at his background and how Belichick pretty much treated him like a son of sorts, there's certainly the potential for him to do well. His biggest issue IMO was his maturity, he was hired as a head coach at a very young age and when he failed at that, he was immediately rehired by another shoddy, downtrodden franchise which I think is the worst possible thing that could have happened.


Now that he's been out in the wilderness so to speak, maybe something has clicked upstairs, I guess that's all we can hope for really but if the guy was causing massive problems behind the scenes, I really doubt Tomsula would have wanted to retain him.

Originally posted by Frisco69ers:
I hope Mangini brings more pressure than Fangio.

I think so. Fangio's system was incredibly effective but also highly dependent on superior talent, when talent wasn't enough, you saw QB's get plenty of time to sit back and pick the defense apart.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by jimmythegreekjr:
That makes sense. Mangini could have been hired while we were waiting.

Its hard to get excited about the hire, but I can't really get all that down on it since he does have a pretty strong defensive background and if you look at his background and how Belichick pretty much treated him like a son of sorts, there's certainly the potential for him to do well. His biggest issue IMO was his maturity, he was hired as a head coach at a very young age and when he failed at that, he was immediately rehired by another shoddy, downtrodden franchise which I think is the worst possible thing that could have happened.


Now that he's been out in the wilderness so to speak, maybe something has clicked upstairs, I guess that's all we can hope for really but if the guy was causing massive problems behind the scenes, I really doubt Tomsula would have wanted to retain him.

TBH, I got the feeling fromm day 1 and Fangio's comments, IIRC, aligned more with the idea Mangini was hired to provide additional insight for Fangio...then Roman...and then kept on staff with the only opening we had (TE). My personal feeling is that Baalke loved his defensive mind and has kept him on staff this entire time just for this role...DC. Looking at how Baalke works, this is his kind of move and I wasn't surprised by it at all. I hated to lose the proven coaches we had for an "unknown" but perhaps, within the FO, that "unknown" to us was actually a "known." We have a tendency to develop a farm system internally with players...from the PS to starters, over two years, the ACL club, etc. Perhaps Baalke was taking that same approach with his coaching staff as well.