Eric Mangini Thread

Originally posted by Frisco69ers:
I hope Mangini brings more pressure than Fangio.

That he will. Fangio blitzed the least of any DC in the game.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Frisco69ers:
I hope Mangini brings more pressure than Fangio.

That he will. Fangio blitzed the least of any DC in the game.

So far his hiring has increased the blood pressure of many fans.

Originally posted by jimmythegreekjr:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Frisco69ers:
I hope Mangini brings more pressure than Fangio.

That he will. Fangio blitzed the least of any DC in the game.

So far his hiring has increased the blood pressure of many fans.

If you don't know Baalke, I can understand being upset. In the end though, he's usually right. Time will tell on all of these moves...

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I think so. Fangio's system was incredibly effective but also highly dependent on superior talent, when talent wasn't enough, you saw QB's get plenty of time to sit back and pick the defense apart.

This seems very accurate! He often rushed three late in the game with a lead, many DCs get more aggressive in that situation. In fairness, he was aggressive at times, just not consistently enough for my liking. My impression of his D was that it was so well coached the players just had to maintain their responsiblities and it usually worked well. But when they had a DB or LB isolated against a good QB they were in trouble. Some of that this year was the hit or miss pass rush. Aldon being out was really more a detriment than many believed.

Originally posted by jimmythegreekjr:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Frisco69ers:
I hope Mangini brings more pressure than Fangio.

That he will. Fangio blitzed the least of any DC in the game.

So far his hiring has increased the blood pressure of many fans.

most people are ok with it.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by jimmythegreekjr:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Frisco69ers:
I hope Mangini brings more pressure than Fangio.

That he will. Fangio blitzed the least of any DC in the game.

So far his hiring has increased the blood pressure of many fans.

most people are ok with it.

Yup ...Mangini is a Beli-cheat disciple ...he will probably throw in some exotic blitz packages in the mix from time to time

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Frisco69ers:
I hope Mangini brings more pressure than Fangio.

That he will. Fangio blitzed the least of any DC in the game.

I actually think Mangini will do a pretty good job. And if he doesn't, Tarver def could.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by jimmythegreekjr:

That makes sense. Mangini could have been hired while we were waiting.

Its hard to get excited about the hire, but I can't really get all that down on it since he does have a pretty strong defensive background and if you look at his background and how Belichick pretty much treated him like a son of sorts, there's certainly the potential for him to do well. His biggest issue IMO was his maturity, he was hired as a head coach at a very young age and when he failed at that, he was immediately rehired by another shoddy, downtrodden franchise which I think is the worst possible thing that could have happened.


Now that he's been out in the wilderness so to speak, maybe something has clicked upstairs, I guess that's all we can hope for really but if the guy was causing massive problems behind the scenes, I really doubt Tomsula would have wanted to retain him.

TBH, I got the feeling fromm day 1 and Fangio's comments, IIRC, aligned more with the idea Mangini was hired to provide additional insight for Fangio...then Roman...and then kept on staff with the only opening we had (TE). My personal feeling is that Baalke loved his defensive mind and has kept him on staff this entire time just for this role...DC. Looking at how Baalke works, this is his kind of move and I wasn't surprised by it at all. I hated to lose the proven coaches we had for an "unknown" but perhaps, within the FO, that "unknown" to us was actually a "known." We have a tendency to develop a farm system internally with players...from the PS to starters, over two years, the ACL club, etc. Perhaps Baalke was taking that same approach with his coaching staff as well.

You guys' points make a lot of sense now that Mangini has been retained and made DC. What he learned under Belichick jives a lot with the scheme Fangio ran in the 13 and 14 seasons. I was looking at the first handful of games in the 2011 season and I didn't see any pattern reading in the secondary. I don't know if it's because of how the offseason leading up to Harbaughs first season as HC was lockout shortened and Fangio didn't have time to implement the exotic coverage schemes. I'm now curious enough to know when the exotic coverages were implemented.

It could be (maybe) that once Fangio wanted to get more complex with coverages, that Magini was brought on to give his expertise in the pattern match schemes. The 49ers for sure ran it in 2012. After 2012, Mangini was brought on and there was a lot of pattern matching in 13 and 14. When I have some time, I'll go back and look at just exactly when the 49ers began to employ the exotic split coverages into their defensive scheme.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by jimmythegreekjr:
That makes sense. Mangini could have been hired while we were waiting.

Its hard to get excited about the hire, but I can't really get all that down on it since he does have a pretty strong defensive background and if you look at his background and how Belichick pretty much treated him like a son of sorts, there's certainly the potential for him to do well. His biggest issue IMO was his maturity, he was hired as a head coach at a very young age and when he failed at that, he was immediately rehired by another shoddy, downtrodden franchise which I think is the worst possible thing that could have happened.


Now that he's been out in the wilderness so to speak, maybe something has clicked upstairs, I guess that's all we can hope for really but if the guy was causing massive problems behind the scenes, I really doubt Tomsula would have wanted to retain him.

TBH, I got the feeling fromm day 1 and Fangio's comments, IIRC, aligned more with the idea Mangini was hired to provide additional insight for Fangio...then Roman...and then kept on staff with the only opening we had (TE). My personal feeling is that Baalke loved his defensive mind and has kept him on staff this entire time just for this role...DC. Looking at how Baalke works, this is his kind of move and I wasn't surprised by it at all. I hated to lose the proven coaches we had for an "unknown" but perhaps, within the FO, that "unknown" to us was actually a "known." We have a tendency to develop a farm system internally with players...from the PS to starters, over two years, the ACL club, etc. Perhaps Baalke was taking that same approach with his coaching staff as well.

You guys' points make a lot of sense now that Mangini has been retained and made DC. What he learned under Belichick jives a lot with the scheme Fangio ran in the 13 and 14 seasons. I was looking at the first handful of games in the 2011 season and I didn't see any pattern reading in the secondary. I don't know if it's because of how the offseason leading up to Harbaughs first season as HC was lockout shortened and Fangio didn't have time to implement the exotic coverage schemes. I'm now curious enough to know when the exotic coverages were implemented.

It could be (maybe) that once Fangio wanted to get more complex with coverages, that Magini was brought on to give his expertise in the pattern match schemes. The 49ers for sure ran it in 2012. After 2012, Mangini was brought on and there was a lot of pattern matching in 13 and 14. When I have some time, I'll go back and look at just exactly when the 49ers began to employ the exotic split coverages into their defensive scheme.

That's VERY astute of you. This will be extremely telling as to what kind of defense we can expect under Mangini as well esp. if you can ID if we became more and more exotic (i.e. more exotic pattern match/more exotic blitzing; more press? Jam press?...how does the front 3 play...DE's more aggressive? 2-gap NT instead of 1?). They also signed him to a 3-year contract which "may" indicate they expect him to be successful and here for a while. While I hated to lose Fangio and crew, maybe there was much more to Mangini than we realized and he's paid his dues with us and is ready for the DC position more than we realized? Good stuff!

Dianna Marie Russini @NBCdianna · 32m 32 minutes ago The Oakland Raiders are interested in Louisville's defensive coordinator Todd Grantham for their defensive coordinator position per sources

Eric mangina

Originally posted by ChazBoner:
Eric mangina

Don't be surprised if he shows up at your house and wants to throw down. I heard he's been reading the MB and doing that when members call him that. Hopefully he wasn't online.....lol

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:

Originally posted by ChazBoner:
Eric mangina

Don't be surprised if he shows up at your house and wants to throw down. I heard he's been reading the MB and doing that when members call him that. Hopefully he wasn't online.....lol

I will beat his fkn ass.

Originally posted by ChazBoner:

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:

Originally posted by ChazBoner:
Eric mangina

Don't be surprised if he shows up at your house and wants to throw down. I heard he's been reading the MB and doing that when members call him that. Hopefully he wasn't online.....lol

I will beat his fkn ass.

I don't know hes bringing Tomsula with him...Bludgeon,Bludgeon,Bludgeon!

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Dianna Marie Russini @NBCdianna · 32m 32 minutes ago The Oakland Raiders are interested in Louisville's defensive coordinator Todd Grantham for their defensive coordinator position per sources

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