Eric Mangini Thread

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by thl408:

So a few Jets fans don't remember him blitzing much. Then he employed Rex as his DC who is creative with his blitz packages. It's been 4 years since Mangini last called a play so I guess we'll have to wait and see. If he holds true to Belichick's school of defense, I don't expect many blitzes. Might be more than Fangio, but that's not saying much.

I think a little more than Fangio could be about just right. I don't want a blitz-crazy D that gives up big plays on a regular basis. I'd just like more blitzing.

yes we need a little more and less from the inside and more from the inside. with aldon and lynch on either side and willis or bowman coming up the middle that is a quarterbacks nightmare. match that with press coverage from press corners like brock culliver johnson and even chris cook and it's a recipe for a big play or getting us off the field on 3rd downs.

When your defense has more talent than the offense and your defense can tackle VERY well, why blitz? Just play good solid defense, let the 4 guys up front rush, make immediate tackles and wait for the offense to make a mistake.

Because blitzing produces game changing plays. If we don't call a blitz against atlanta we don't close out candlestick with a pick 6 by bowman.

Originally posted by Joecool:
When your defense has more talent than the offense and your defense can tackle VERY well, why blitz? Just play good solid defense, let the 4 guys up front rush, make immediate tackles and wait for the offense to make a mistake.

I don't disagree with that. I'd just like to see a little more situational blitzing. I'd like to see a little more of Willis and Bowman shooting gaps - those guys are wicked quick.

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by Joecool:
When your defense has more talent than the offense and your defense can tackle VERY well, why blitz? Just play good solid defense, let the 4 guys up front rush, make immediate tackles and wait for the offense to make a mistake.

I don't disagree with that. I'd just like to see a little more situational blitzing. I'd like to see a little more of Willis and Bowman shooting gaps - those guys are wicked quick.

we need to go for it and forward, dictate instead of bend and don't break. stand firm. that doesn't mean blitz heavy. it just means dial it up from time to time with the 2 most athletic linebackers in the nfl

we have the players to do it, I think we can bring Blitzburg here in San Fran and create some real Chaos!!!

Willis isn't that great at blitzing b/c he has no moves whatsoever. He just bulls into the guy and if he can't run him over he doesn't get home. He doesn't have that wiggle or some move to just blow by defenders. Bowman is better but not great either. I agree they should use more zone blitzes with guys coming from different areas, But the issue here is the front 4 just isn't nowhere near as good as it was 3/4 years ago. They could rush 4 and stop the run and get a pass rush. That's not happening anymore. But yea no need to go full Rob Ryan with blitzing

for years. we had pro-bowl talent on all 3 levels of our defense, including two generational talents at ILB and a prodigy sack machine at OLB...

WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN BLITZING THE f**k OUTTA TEAMS!!!

only reason not to blitz is because the rest of your team can't make up for it in coverage. But we could have. Easily. Our defense 2011-12 with Todd Bowles as DC would have been the best defense in the NFL for all-time.

Originally posted by lamontb:
Willis isn't that great at blitzing b/c he has no moves whatsoever. He just bulls into the guy and if he can't run him over he doesn't get home. He doesn't have that wiggle or some move to just blow by defenders. Bowman is better but not great either. I agree they should use more zone blitzes with guys coming from different areas, But the issue here is the front 4 just isn't nowhere near as good as it was 3/4 years ago. They could rush 4 and stop the run and get a pass rush. That's not happening anymore. But yea no need to go full Rob Ryan with blitzing

Three years ago, they were #4 against the rush, two years ago, they were #4 and last year, without two of their starters on the line and both their starting ILB's, they were #7.

Amazingly after 348 votes, the result is hung with 50% liking it and 50% disliking it.

So which side been stuffing the ballot box?

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by Joecool:
When your defense has more talent than the offense and your defense can tackle VERY well, why blitz? Just play good solid defense, let the 4 guys up front rush, make immediate tackles and wait for the offense to make a mistake.

I don't disagree with that. I'd just like to see a little more situational blitzing. I'd like to see a little more of Willis and Bowman shooting gaps - those guys are wicked quick.

I think this was Fangio's plan all along and its worked because of the talent. The only question going forward though is CB. I think they need to try to find another Carlos Rogers or Tarrell Brown in FA, guys that can play well but not expensive.

Originally posted by lamontb:
Willis isn't that great at blitzing b/c he has no moves whatsoever. He just bulls into the guy and if he can't run him over he doesn't get home. He doesn't have that wiggle or some move to just blow by defenders. Bowman is better but not great either. I agree they should use more zone blitzes with guys coming from different areas, But the issue here is the front 4 just isn't nowhere near as good as it was 3/4 years ago. They could rush 4 and stop the run and get a pass rush. That's not happening anymore. But yea no need to go full Rob Ryan with blitzing

disagree with you. a well timed blitz by either of them is destruction. the person in charge of blocking them on a blitz to the inside is a running back. and no running back is a match for either. we've seen them destroy them and ruin the play.

don't need our corners blitzing at all.

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Willis isn't that great at blitzing b/c he has no moves whatsoever. He just bulls into the guy and if he can't run him over he doesn't get home. He doesn't have that wiggle or some move to just blow by defenders. Bowman is better but not great either. I agree they should use more zone blitzes with guys coming from different areas, But the issue here is the front 4 just isn't nowhere near as good as it was 3/4 years ago. They could rush 4 and stop the run and get a pass rush. That's not happening anymore. But yea no need to go full Rob Ryan with blitzing

Three years ago, they were #4 against the rush, two years ago, they were #4 and last year, without two of their starters on the line and both their starting ILB's, they were #7.

exactly

Originally posted by Baldie:
I think this was Fangio's plan all along and its worked because of the talent. The only question going forward though is CB. I think they need to try to find another Carlos Rogers or Tarrell Brown in FA, guys that can play well but not expensive.

There are a few really good potential shut-down corners in the draft this year.

Originally posted by English:
Amazingly after 348 votes, the result is hung with 50% liking it and 50% disliking it.

So which side been stuffing the ballot box?

Florida!

Originally posted by thl408:
So I've been reading around, trying to find articles that are dated years ago and everything I've read suggests that Mangini operates a "read and react - bend, but don't break" defense. This falls in line with the coverage concepts he learned from Belichick.

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Mangini's scheme doesn't reward an attacking style of play. It's the read-and-react, bend-but-don't-break model that he learned from his overlord in New England. It plays avoids press coverage, it stress gap integrity … not that those things can't be good things – they are – they're just not the most important.

http://baltimoresportsreport.com/should-the-ravens-hire-eric-mangini-for-defensive-coordinator-11331.html

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Eric Mangini's 3-4 was largely read and react. In most instances, opposing teams saw the same fronts. It was a matter of execution.

http://www.ganggreennation.com/2009/8/2/972694/a-difference-between-rex-ryan-and

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The two links above are more related to the front 7 play where Mangini runs a two gap 'read and react' system, as opposed to an attacking, penetrating system. I've also read a couple Jets' fans comments and they don't recall Mangini blitzing much, but they admit that it might have been Sutton (the DC) calling the plays. Point is, don't be surprised if the frequency of blitzing stays the same under Manigni as it was under Fangio, which is just sprinkling of blitzes here and there.


But, there is this (from CLE days where Rob Ryan was his DC):

(TOPIC: On if he (Mangini) agrees with the frequency of Rob Ryan's blitzes) - "Yes, Rob and I talk through all the things specific to the defensive game plan and I'm on the head sets. Some of those are max pressures, some of those are five man pressures, some of those are zone pressures. There's a variety of ways you try to pressure the quarterback. They're not all true what you would categorize as blitzes max pressure, man-to-man, no help defenses."

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-1/Mangini-press-conf-transcript---1021/4acdbab2-5e91-4d00-8c16-24781252057e


So a few Jets fans don't remember him blitzing much. Then he employed Rex as his DC who is creative with his blitz packages. It's been 4 years since Mangini last called a play so I guess we'll have to wait and see. If he holds true to Belichick's school of defense, I don't expect many blitzes. Might be more than Fangio, but that's not saying much.

Nice research and thanks. So we can expect perhaps, a 2-gap NT, disciplined DE's in Carradine and Dial, mostly off coverage like with Fangio and a few more sprinkled in blitzes (different kinds). That doesn't sound bad at all TBH. This defense already does all that minus the plugger NT closing down both A-gaps.

Originally posted by English:
Amazingly after 348 votes, the result is hung with 50% liking it and 50% disliking it.

So which side been stuffing the ballot box?

Wow! I would have thought, judging by many recent comments, it would be much more negative. Just shows many fans want to be optimistic.