Eric Mangini Thread

Originally posted by NCommand:
Nice research and thanks. So we can expect perhaps, a 2-gap NT, disciplined DE's in Carradine and Dial, mostly off coverage like with Fangio and a few more sprinkled in blitzes (different kinds). That doesn't sound bad at all TBH. This defense already does all that minus the plugger NT closing down both A-gaps.

Originally posted by DeUh:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Nice research and thanks. So we can expect perhaps, a 2-gap NT, disciplined DE's in Carradine and Dial, mostly off coverage like with Fangio and a few more sprinkled in blitzes (different kinds). That doesn't sound bad at all TBH. This defense already does all that minus the plugger NT closing down both A-gaps.

Thanks for the research thl.





Scouting Report

Ian Williams 6-1 319 Notre Dame

Two-gap nose tackle has the anchor and lower-body strength to hold up against double-team. Powerful upper body. Can disengage from linemen with strong hands.

His strength and large lower-body build makes him the prototypical nose tackle prospect, even though he's not the 350-pound behemoth that has succeeded at the position.




He played at 305 the last two seasons

Originally posted by Frisco69ers:
yeah I like Ian, but I like him as depth. Not a starter

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Frisco69ers:
yeah I like Ian, but I like him as depth. Not a starter

Ability wise I think Ian Williams can hold his own, but hasn't completed a full season. I forgot how he got injured last season. In 2013, he was taken out with a Sweezy cheapshot so I can't look at that 2013 injury and classify it as being 'injury prone'. He was playing very well last season and as soon as he went down, Mark Ingram started busting some chunk runs in the 2nd half of that game (@NO).

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Frisco69ers:
yeah I like Ian, but I like him as depth. Not a starter

Ability wise I think Ian Williams can hold his own, but hasn't completed a full season. I forgot how he got injured last season. In 2013, he was taken out with a Sweezy cheapshot so I can't look at that 2013 injury and classify it as being 'injury prone'. He was playing very well last season and as soon as he went down, Mark Ingram started busting some chunk runs in the 2nd half of that game (@NO).

^^^ Thanks DeUh. I like Williams a lot too but I'm not sure he or Dorsey are true 2-gap NT's. Williams, in particular seems more like a slasher to me. And he can be very effective. I bring this up as I wonder if Mangini will be looking for a beefier, Wilfork-body type going forward for his schemes...curious about the DE's too.

Didn't Ian break his leg? Smaller bone below the calf?

Originally posted by NCommand:

I wonder if Mangini will be looking for a beefier, Wilfork body type going forward for his schemes...curious about the DE's too.

Originally posted by DeUh:

Originally posted by NCommand:

I wonder if Mangini will be looking for a beefier, Wilfork body type going forward for his schemes...curious about the DE's too.

2005 New England Patriots DL (DC Eric Mangini)

NT Vince Wilfork 6-2 325(LoL)
NT Dan Klecko 5-11 280
NT/DE Mike Wright 6-4 300
DE Ty Warren 6-5 300
DE Richard Seymour 6-6 317
DE Jarvis Green 6-3 290
DE Marquise Hill 6-6 300




2006 New York Jets DL (HC Eric Mangini)

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2007 New York Jets DL (HC Eric Mangini)

NT Sione Pouha 6-3 325
NT Dewayne Robertson 6-1 308
DE Kenyon Coleman 6-5 295
DE Shaun Ellis 6-5 290
DE C.J. Mosley 6-2 310
DE Mike DeVito 6-3 305
DE Kareem Brown 6-4 290




2008 New York Jets DL (HC Eric Mangini)

NT Sionea Pouha 6-3 325
NT Kris Jenkins 6-4 360
DE Shaun Ellis 6-5 290
DE Kenyon Coleman 6-5 295
DE Mike DeVitto 6-3 305
DE CJ Mosley 6-2 310




2009 Cleveland Browns DL (HC Eric Mangini)

NT Ahtyba Rubin 6-2 325
NT Shaun Rogers 6-4 350
DE Robaire Smith 6-5 310
DE Kenyon Coleman 6-5 295
DE Corey Williams 6-4 310
DE Corey Mosley 6-2 310




2010 Cleveland Browns DL (HC Eric Mangini)

NT Ahtyba Rubin 6-2 325
NT Shaun Rogers 6-4 350
DE Kenyon Coleman 6-5 295
DE Brian Schaefering 6-4 295
DE Robaire Smith 6-5 310
DE Derreck Robinson 6-4 295

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by DeUh:

Originally posted by NCommand:

I wonder if Mangini will be looking for a beefier, Wilfork body type going forward for his schemes...curious about the DE's too.

2005 New England Patriots DL (DC Eric Mangini)

NT Vince Wilfork 6-2 325(LoL)
NT Dan Klecko 5-11 280
NT/DE Mike Wright 6-4 300
DE Ty Warren 6-5 300
DE Richard Seymour 6-6 317
DE Jarvis Green 6-3 290
DE Marquise Hill 6-6 300




2006 New York Jets DL (HC Eric Mangini)

.......




2007 New York Jets DL (HC Eric Mangini)

NT Sione Pouha 6-3 325
NT Dewayne Robertson 6-1 308
DE Kenyon Coleman 6-5 295
DE Shaun Ellis 6-5 290
DE C.J. Mosley 6-2 310
DE Mike DeVito 6-3 305
DE Kareem Brown 6-4 290




2008 New York Jets DL (HC Eric Mangini)

NT Sionea Pouha 6-3 325
NT Kris Jenkins 6-4 360
DE Shaun Ellis 6-5 290
DE Kenyon Coleman 6-5 295
DE Mike DeVitto 6-3 305
DE CJ Mosley 6-2 310




2009 Cleveland Browns DL (HC Eric Mangini)

NT Ahtyba Rubin 6-2 325
NT Shaun Rogers 6-4 350
DE Robaire Smith 6-5 310
DE Kenyon Coleman 6-5 295
DE Corey Williams 6-4 310
DE Corey Mosley 6-2 310




2010 Cleveland Browns DL (HC Eric Mangini)

NT Ahtyba Rubin 6-2 325
NT Shaun Rogers 6-4 350
DE Kenyon Coleman 6-5 295
DE Brian Schaefering 6-4 295
DE Robaire Smith 6-5 310
DE Derreck Robinson 6-4 295

I'm seeing a trend there! Big, wide-bodied fatty NT's and perhaps, slightly lighter/quicker slashing NT's like Ian Williams/Glenn Dorsey behind them for 3rd downs and depth? Big boys at DE too. That said, Dial and Carradine fit perfectly. We just need that wide-bodied plugger at NT now.

Originally posted by NCommand:
I'm seeing a trend there! Big, wide-bodied fatty NT's and perhaps, slightly lighter/quicker slashing NT's like Ian Williams/Glenn Dorsey behind them for 3rd downs and depth? Big boys at DE too. That said, Dial and Carradine fit perfectly. We just need that wide-bodied plugger at NT now.

Originally posted by fister30:


"How to make a defense underachieve in NE" by Eric M is now available by searching 2005 NE Patriots.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I'm seeing a trend there! Big, wide-bodied fatty NT's and perhaps, slightly lighter/quicker slashing NT's like Ian Williams/Glenn Dorsey behind them for 3rd downs and depth? Big boys at DE too. That said, Dial and Carradine fit perfectly. We just need that wide-bodied plugger at NT now.

Would be delighted to see the 49ers add Danny Shelton in the draft. Having a monster in the middle to draw double teams could be one way the team gets by after losing a top talent like Justin Smith.