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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by fister30:
Seattle and St Louis wants to run. Zona is more flexible and balanced in their offense compared to the hawks and rams. I don't see this defense's ability to stop the run as a strength. We didn't upgrade anything in the middle of our defense since last year. I feel we will be a middle of the pack defense with better numbers against the pass. Dockett isnt an upgrade over smith. Losing willis, borland and mcdonald just hurts.

What?

McDonald was cut and TJE had to play LDE a lot...Justin had one arm again and couldn't even end the season (Carradine did) and our 6'6" LDE had to play NT and we still finished 7th against the run. Now we move Dial back out to LDE (awesome), Williams is healthy at NT (very good NT) and Dorsey/Carradine/AA at RDE...plus Dockett and Carradine sliding inside to pass rush.

It seems like every year we get some fans who worry over lesser-known defensive players taking over important roles, and those guys almost always pan out. Replacing Franklin, Harris, Soap, Spikes, Goldson, Whitner, Rogers, and Brown all seemed much more troubling than they actually were. The talent and depth is impressive. Some dudes just need experience, some got it last year.
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by fister30:
Seattle and St Louis wants to run. Zona is more flexible and balanced in their offense compared to the hawks and rams. I don't see this defense's ability to stop the run as a strength. We didn't upgrade anything in the middle of our defense since last year. I feel we will be a middle of the pack defense with better numbers against the pass. Dockett isnt an upgrade over smith. Losing willis, borland and mcdonald just hurts.

What?

McDonald was cut and TJE had to play LDE a lot...Justin had one arm again and couldn't even end the season (Carradine did) and our 6'6" LDE had to play NT and we still finished 7th against the run. Now we move Dial back out to LDE (awesome), Williams is healthy at NT (very good NT) and Dorsey/Carradine/AA at RDE...plus Dockett and Carradine sliding inside to pass rush.

It seems like every year we get some fans who worry over lesser-known defensive players taking over important roles, and those guys almost always pan out. Replacing Franklin, Harris, Soap, Spikes, Goldson, Whitner, Rogers, and Brown all seemed much more troubling than they actually were. The talent and depth is impressive. Some dudes just need experience, some got it last year.

But Manny Lawson is irreplaceable!
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by fister30:
Seattle and St Louis wants to run. Zona is more flexible and balanced in their offense compared to the hawks and rams. I don't see this defense's ability to stop the run as a strength. We didn't upgrade anything in the middle of our defense since last year. I feel we will be a middle of the pack defense with better numbers against the pass. Dockett isnt an upgrade over smith. Losing willis, borland and mcdonald just hurts.

What?

McDonald was cut and TJE had to play LDE a lot...Justin had one arm again and couldn't even end the season (Carradine did) and our 6'6" LDE had to play NT and we still finished 7th against the run. Now we move Dial back out to LDE (awesome), Williams is healthy at NT (very good NT) and Dorsey/Carradine/AA at RDE...plus Dockett and Carradine sliding inside to pass rush.

It seems like every year we get some fans who worry over lesser-known defensive players taking over important roles, and those guys almost always pan out. Replacing Franklin, Harris, Soap, Spikes, Goldson, Whitner, Rogers, and Brown all seemed much more troubling than they actually were. The talent and depth is impressive. Some dudes just need experience, some got it last year.

But Manny Lawson is irreplaceable!
so was that linebacker we trade to the panthers for a 7th round pick two years ago, whose name i can not recall
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Originally posted by fister30:
Seattle and St Louis wants to run. Zona is more flexible and balanced in their offense compared to the hawks and rams. I don't see this defense's ability to stop the run as a strength. We didn't upgrade anything in the middle of our defense since last year. I feel we will be a middle of the pack defense with better numbers against the pass. Dockett isnt an upgrade over smith. Losing willis, borland and mcdonald just hurts.

Dorsey, Williams, Bowman, and Aldon were our best run defenders in 2013 and the limited snaps in 2014s (Borland was brilliant when he was in though), and all 4 were suspended/injured almost the entire year. Add in likely improvements with Lynch and Dial, and that looks like a pretty impressive front 7 against the run.
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Originally posted by Disp:
Originally posted by fister30:
Seattle and St Louis wants to run. Zona is more flexible and balanced in their offense compared to the hawks and rams. I don't see this defense's ability to stop the run as a strength. We didn't upgrade anything in the middle of our defense since last year. I feel we will be a middle of the pack defense with better numbers against the pass. Dockett isnt an upgrade over smith. Losing willis, borland and mcdonald just hurts.

Dorsey, Williams, Bowman, and Aldon were our best run defenders in 2013 and the limited snaps in 2014s (Borland was brilliant when he was in though), and all 4 were suspended/injured almost the entire year. Add in likely improvements with Lynch and Dial, and that looks like a pretty impressive front 7 against the run.
Justin Smith was not one of the top run defenders in 2013? I know for sure he was in 2014.
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Originally posted by thl408:
Justin Smith was not one of the top run defenders in 2013? I know for sure he was in 2014.

Accidentally overlooked him. On paper our run defense looks better than it was last year though, assuming we don't get destroyed by injuries again.
Playing the slots: 49ers' Mangini has options when it comes to nickel spot
49ers with Matt Barrows

Keith Reaser (27) and Jaquiski Tartt (29) are two options when it comes to the 49ers' nickel position this year. Also in this photo is safety L.J. McCray (31). | Jeff Chiu AP


SANTA CLARA -- Eric Mangini's mantra when it comes to the 49ers defense: flexibility.

"Sometimes that's just a catch phrase," Mangini told SI's MMQB this week, "but I grew up that way defensively, and I believe in that, where each week we are going to have challenges we have to deal with, and we have to have the tools and flexibility both physically and mentally to get that done in a very short time frame. So I'm a big believer in building flexibility into the defense, too."

That flexibility could be seen in the 49ers' recent practices. A young cornerback like Keith Reaser, for example, might have lined up at on the left, outside with the second-team defense one day, the nickel spot with the first-team defense the next and at right cornerback the following week.

That was partially to figure out where Mangini's talent lies -- he has a slew of young cornerbacks who don't have a lot of playing experience, and he must learn where each player fits best. The offensive coaches also mixed and matched extensively in May and June, especially on the offensive line.

"Coach has been throwing us around," cornerback Kenneth Acker said. "So ... you're not going to play in the same position, not play the same side. Some people are inside, some people are outside, some people are at safety. I think we've got a lot of different guys that can do a lot of different things. And coach sees that. He's feeling us out just like we're feeling the positions out."

But there's also a sense that the 49ers will be chameleon-like on defense this year, changing shapes -- and personnel -- to match their opponent. The team's lineup when speedy, shifty Giants receiver Victor Cruz is in the slot position on Oct. 11, for instance, could be different than what it will be two weeks later when towering Seahawks tight end Jimmy Graham is in the slot.

Jimmie Ward and Dontae Johnson both played the nickel position last season. At 6-2, Johnson is a possibility when it comes to covering Graham, who stands 6-7. So is second-round draft pick Jaquiski Tartt, who at 6-1, 221 is the bulkiest of the 49ers' defensive backs.

With Ward out with a foot injury this spring, Leon McFadden, Reaser and Tramaine Brock spent time at nickel. Reaser is perhaps the 49ers' fastest cornerback, and he played some nickel at Florida Atlantic University.

Brock, meanwhile, is the team's top cornerback, and there has been talk that he will follow the opponent's best wide receiver all over the field. He may also follow if that receiver moves inside to the slot position.

Other cornerback notes ...

You may remember a story a few years ago about how Jim Harbaugh and the 49ers took their practice squad players on the road with them, which isn't something every team does. The same goes for players who are on injury lists.

Those players not only go on the road with the team, they go to meetings as if they were perfectly healthy and playing, and they get fined if they show up late, fall asleep in a meeting, and so on and so forth.

"The only thing we didn't do last year was touch the field," said Acker, who dealt with a foot injury last year.

As a result, Acker said, he doesn't feel like a rookie, despite the fact that he didn't suit up for any regular season games a year ago. The pregame routine of going to an opposing stadium -- Seattle, for example -- will be old hat to him because he did it eight times last season.

"We really didn't feel left out in any way," he said. "We knew that our time would come. And now it's here."

General manager Trent Baalke has likened, on more than one occasion, incoming 49ers cornerback Shareece Wright to former 49ers cornerback Carlos Rogers. That's partly due to their styles of play. And it's partly because of their similar story lines.

Before Rogers arrived in San Francisco in 2011, he was considered a disappointment with Washington. He was a former first-round pick who was short on big plays, especially interceptions. In his first year with the 49ers, however, he had six interceptions, was the de facto captain of the secondary and went to the Pro Bowl.

Is Baalke predicting a Pro Bowl season for Wright? No. But his point is that, like Rogers, Wright is not nearly as bad as people perceive him to be and that a good front seven will benefit a veteran like Wright just like it did Rogers in 2011.

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Reaser missed 2014 with an ACL issue. Asked if his speed has returned in full, the former track star said, "I haven't run a 40 (yard dash), so I don't know an exact time. But I feel good. I feel like my speed's there, the explosion. Just working off some rust, (working on) technique."

The 49ers coaches and team officials will say that they're excited about all of their young cornerbacks. Reaser, however, is perhaps the apple of their collective eye.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/article25160770.html#storylink=cpy
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I linked this article in the Concepts thread, but this part of the article is very relevant to Mangini because he comes from Belichick's defensive coaching tree and ties into the Barrows article that NC pasted above.

The Belichick "Hybrid"

There's no simple diagram or playbook quirk that defines Belichick's scheme. Rather, it's the complete lack of one. Belichick, in a very short span of time early in his career, was introduced to many different defensive schemes at the professional level. Belichick was exposed to Maxie Baughan, who ran George Allen's complex 4-3 scheme that was full of pre-snap adjustments. He briefly coached with Fritz Shurmur, who would follow Allen (and others) who used a lot of nickel schemes as a base defense. He worked with Joe Collier, who turned a troublesome set of injuries to his front seven into Denver's vaunted Orange Crush - maybe the original multiple-front scheme. All of that before gaining fame and respect under Bill Parcells and the true 3-4 in New England and New York.

The key to the success of Belichick's style of play is flexibility of personnel. To be able to effectively switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4 to a dime defense and all points in-between requires versatility at nearly every position. Players have to be able to run and cover and hit. Linemen have to be strong enough to hold the point in the 3-4, but get upfield in a 4-3. Defensive backs have to be very good in zone coverage but competent in man coverage when needed. It requires a special skill set, but also an above-average football IQ. Compared to the base Dungy-Kiffin scheme, which likely started with as little as three or four fronts and a couple of zone coverages, Belichick's hybrid is a maze meant to confuse and confound.

Another important difference in Belichick's defense is philosophical rather than playbook. Most coordinators identify the weaknesses of an upcoming opponent and gameplan to take advantage. Belichick specifically seeks to take away the strength of an offense, forcing them to operate out of their comfort zone. In a league where you may face a power offense one week and a spread offense the next, the versatility of the multiple front playbook is the only way to pull off such a philosophy.

Three paragraphs and nary a playbook diagram may not seem like we're shorting one of the most successful playbooks of all time. But consider that nearly everything we've discussed and will discuss before we're through just scratches the surface of Belichick's playbook. In reality, there's not a revolutionary innovation to highlight. It's the versatility and philosophy and depth in gameplanning and having the players to execute that vision that makes the scheme work.

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2009/09bramel_idpguide.php
Originally posted by NCommand:
But Manny Lawson is irreplaceable!

man, I remember all the hand-wringing and cries how w/out Manny we'd get smoked.
Originally posted by thl408:
I linked this article in the Concepts thread, but this part of the article is very relevant to Mangini because he comes from Belichick's defensive coaching tree and ties into the Barrows article that NC pasted above.

The Belichick "Hybrid"

There's no simple diagram or playbook quirk that defines Belichick's scheme. Rather, it's the complete lack of one. Belichick, in a very short span of time early in his career, was introduced to many different defensive schemes at the professional level. Belichick was exposed to Maxie Baughan, who ran George Allen's complex 4-3 scheme that was full of pre-snap adjustments. He briefly coached with Fritz Shurmur, who would follow Allen (and others) who used a lot of nickel schemes as a base defense. He worked with Joe Collier, who turned a troublesome set of injuries to his front seven into Denver's vaunted Orange Crush - maybe the original multiple-front scheme. All of that before gaining fame and respect under Bill Parcells and the true 3-4 in New England and New York.

The key to the success of Belichick's style of play is flexibility of personnel. To be able to effectively switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4 to a dime defense and all points in-between requires versatility at nearly every position. Players have to be able to run and cover and hit. Linemen have to be strong enough to hold the point in the 3-4, but get upfield in a 4-3. Defensive backs have to be very good in zone coverage but competent in man coverage when needed. It requires a special skill set, but also an above-average football IQ. Compared to the base Dungy-Kiffin scheme, which likely started with as little as three or four fronts and a couple of zone coverages, Belichick's hybrid is a maze meant to confuse and confound.

Another important difference in Belichick's defense is philosophical rather than playbook. Most coordinators identify the weaknesses of an upcoming opponent and gameplan to take advantage. Belichick specifically seeks to take away the strength of an offense, forcing them to operate out of their comfort zone. In a league where you may face a power offense one week and a spread offense the next, the versatility of the multiple front playbook is the only way to pull off such a philosophy.

Three paragraphs and nary a playbook diagram may not seem like we're shorting one of the most successful playbooks of all time. But consider that nearly everything we've discussed and will discuss before we're through just scratches the surface of Belichick's playbook. In reality, there's not a revolutionary innovation to highlight. It's the versatility and philosophy and depth in gameplanning and having the players to execute that vision that makes the scheme work.

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2009/09bramel_idpguide.php

Terrific tie-in thl408. Really REALLY getting a strong feel for how we'll play both defensively and offensively. Exciting.
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Originally posted by NCommand:
But Manny Lawson is irreplaceable!

man, I remember all the hand-wringing and cries how w/out Manny we'd get smoked.

All I could do, even back then was,
I prayed all night long that Nolan won't take (Lawson) in the 1st round just because he had a Freak- (Kearse) Like workout at NCstate..
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Originally posted by NCommand:
But Manny Lawson is irreplaceable!

man, I remember all the hand-wringing and cries how w/out Manny we'd get smoked.

All I could do, even back then was,

Is Manny still in the league??
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Originally posted by NCommand:
But Manny Lawson is irreplaceable!

man, I remember all the hand-wringing and cries how w/out Manny we'd get smoked.

All I could do, even back then was,

Is Manny still in the league??

Lawson was a bust from day 1 just like Lemonear.
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Originally posted by NCommand:
But Manny Lawson is irreplaceable!

man, I remember all the hand-wringing and cries how w/out Manny we'd get smoked.

All I could do, even back then was,

Is Manny still in the league??

Yeah, with the bills.
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