Eric Mangini Thread

Originally posted by NCommand:
It's a good way of looking at it...and that very experienced coaches he DID hire clearly, had respect for him and took the jobs to work under him. So his reputation is stellar among, at least, the defensive community which is standard among head coaching hires...they typically have expertise on one side of the ball plus are highly respected within the coaching circles on at least that side of the ball; this is critical b/c a FO needs a HC who can bring in an entire staff (it's more than just one hire).

Offensively, fortunately, he and Geep saw eye-to-eye and he already had a tremendous working relationship and success with Steve Logan as well. He also already had the best RB coach in the game in Rathman, and brought in a very successful Chris Foerster & Eric Wolford (zone blocking scheme) along with a proven TE coach in Tony Sparano and especially a proven WR coach in Adam Henry with Ronald Curry already on staff to catch him up quickly with our personnel.

In fact, doing a side-by-side comparison, this may be the best coaching staff we've had here in a very long time...compare them now to the rest of the NFL and you can see why Cossell called this a very underrated coaching staff.

At the end of the day, JT will still need to drive it all in one direction and Geep and Mangini will have to prove themselves on game days. The good news is that all three have some experience in these roles and seem to have been preparing for this day for a long time. So we'll see.

u have confidence in GEEP? i'm very skeptical. tomsula wanted chudzinski from what i recall and settled on geep after trying for bob bicknell also

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
As I've said in other threads - you can't praise previous defenses without praising Tomsula. Thus, any credit given to how those defenses played gives Jim T credibility in my book and if he thinks Mangini is good enough to coach defense, his previous success definitely earns him at least the benefit of doubt into this year.

It's a good way of looking at it...and that very experienced coaches he DID hire clearly, had respect for him and took the jobs to work under him. So his reputation is stellar among, at least, the defensive community which is standard among head coaching hires...they typically have expertise on one side of the ball plus are highly respected within the coaching circles on at least that side of the ball; this is critical b/c a FO needs a HC who can bring in an entire staff (it's more than just one hire).

Offensively, fortunately, he and Geep saw eye-to-eye and he already had a tremendous working relationship and success with Steve Logan as well. He also already had the best RB coach in the game in Rathman, and brought in a very successful Chris Foerster & Eric Wolford (zone blocking scheme) along with a proven TE coach in Tony Sparano and especially a proven WR coach in Adam Henry with Ronald Curry already on staff to catch him up quickly with our personnel.

In fact, doing a side-by-side comparison, this may be the best coaching staff we've had here in a very long time...compare them now to the rest of the NFL and you can see why Cossell called this a very underrated coaching staff.

At the end of the day, JT will still need to drive it all in one direction and Geep and Mangini will have to prove themselves on game days. The good news is that all three have some experience in these roles and seem to have been preparing for this day for a long time. So we'll see.

Good call NC.

IMO, the coaches who were on the team last season had to be talking among themselves on how screwed up things were.

They saw first hand how dreadful the offense was w/the endless repetition of needless time outs, and the litany of the same mistakes over and over.

I'm thinking they were chomping at the bit to get a chance to optimize our talent.

Now they have their shot and I think they'll make the best of a golden opportunity.

Originally posted by iLL49er:
u have confidence in GEEP? i'm very skeptical. tomsula wanted chudzinski from what i recall and settled on geep after trying for bob bicknell also

He also blocked Geep from outside interviews so for whatever that's worth ...

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by iLL49er:
u have confidence in GEEP? i'm very skeptical. tomsula wanted chudzinski from what i recall and settled on geep after trying for bob bicknell also

He also blocked Geep from outside interviews so for whatever that's worth ...

fair enough....Geep has to payoff

i read good things about him when harbaugh hired him..who knows

Originally posted by iLL49er:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by iLL49er:
u have confidence in GEEP? i'm very skeptical. tomsula wanted chudzinski from what i recall and settled on geep after trying for bob bicknell also

He also blocked Geep from outside interviews so for whatever that's worth ...

fair enough....Geep has to payoff

i read good things about him when harbaugh hired him..who knows

It's not just Geep but also Logan, Sparano, Curry, Henry, Wolford...as a unit. Geep was under Roman who was under Harbaugh, so he likely had little input as to how the offense was to be run. He is now under a D coach who will give him more latitude to be the main shaper of the offense. I really like Logan so am hopeful he will add a spark to the O thinking. There are many reasons to be optimistic.

Originally posted by iLL49er:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by iLL49er:
u have confidence in GEEP? i'm very skeptical. tomsula wanted chudzinski from what i recall and settled on geep after trying for bob bicknell also

He also blocked Geep from outside interviews so for whatever that's worth ...

fair enough....Geep has to payoff

i read good things about him when harbaugh hired him..who knows

I don't want to say I have confidence in Geep 'now.' It's too early. But I had zero confidence in HaRoman. I can say that with full confidence. What currently has me very excited is that this new coaching staff has already attacked every single one of our issues right out of the gate...in short, they had their work CLEARLY cut out for them thanks to the previous coaching regime.

Let's review what was attacked up through the OTA's thus far:

Get plays promptly into the huddle; less pre-snap motion - CHECK
More ball control passing; short passes to RBs/TEs - CHECK
Highlight Kap's mobility (scrambles, read-option, rollouts) - CHECK
Shift to predominantly zone blocking run scheme - CHECK
Improved blitz pickup/pass protection (Offensive line) - Pending
More defensive blitz packages/blitz frequency - CHECK
More press, bump, and run; less off coverage alignment (CB's) - CHECK
More playing time for young players, to aid development - Pending
Red Zone efficiency - CHECK/Pending
Situational Awareness (Setting defenses up, what plays to call and when to call them and with the right personnel) - CHECK/Pending

If you don't have a fan-boner from this, at least a halfie, you're dead inside.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
It's not just Geep but also Logan, Sparano, Curry, Henry, Wolford...as a unit. Geep was under Roman who was under Harbaugh, so he likely had little input as to how the offense was to be run. He is now under a D coach who will give him more latitude to be the main shaper of the offense. I really like Logan so am hopeful he will add a spark to the O thinking. There are many reasons to be optimistic.

why in all hell do u really like logan? please expand on this...mind boggling.

cuz he talks a good game? logan actually came off like someone who talks as if he's in charge when reality is geep is his boss....tomsula loves logan, lets hope there isn't tension/ issues in the room between logan trying to undermine geep cuz logan is tomsula's boy

Originally posted by iLL49er:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
It's not just Geep but also Logan, Sparano, Curry, Henry, Wolford...as a unit. Geep was under Roman who was under Harbaugh, so he likely had little input as to how the offense was to be run. He is now under a D coach who will give him more latitude to be the main shaper of the offense. I really like Logan so am hopeful he will add a spark to the O thinking. There are many reasons to be optimistic.

why in all hell do u really like logan? please expand on this...mind boggling.

cuz he talks a good game? logan actually came off like someone who talks as if he's in charge when reality is geep is his boss....tomsula loves logan, lets hope there isn't tension/ issues in the room between logan trying to undermine geep cuz logan is tomsula's boy

wow..you really conjured up something there

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by iLL49er:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
It's not just Geep but also Logan, Sparano, Curry, Henry, Wolford...as a unit. Geep was under Roman who was under Harbaugh, so he likely had little input as to how the offense was to be run. He is now under a D coach who will give him more latitude to be the main shaper of the offense. I really like Logan so am hopeful he will add a spark to the O thinking. There are many reasons to be optimistic.

why in all hell do u really like logan? please expand on this...mind boggling.

cuz he talks a good game? logan actually came off like someone who talks as if he's in charge when reality is geep is his boss....tomsula loves logan, lets hope there isn't tension/ issues in the room between logan trying to undermine geep cuz logan is tomsula's boy

wow..you really conjured up something there

I thought we were about to have an intelligent discussion on the topic. Wrong!

Originally posted by iLL49er:
why in all hell do u really like logan? please expand on this...mind boggling.

cuz he talks a good game? logan actually came off like someone who talks as if he's in charge when reality is geep is his boss....tomsula loves logan, lets hope there isn't tension/ issues in the room between logan trying to undermine geep cuz logan is tomsula's boy

Please refer back to the Logan thread.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by iLL49er:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

It's not just Geep but also Logan, Sparano, Curry, Henry, Wolford...as a unit. Geep was under Roman who was under Harbaugh, so he likely had little input as to how the offense was to be run. He is now under a D coach who will give him more latitude to be the main shaper of the offense. I really like Logan so am hopeful he will add a spark to the O thinking. There are many reasons to be optimistic.

why in all hell do u really like logan? please expand on this...mind boggling.

cuz he talks a good game? logan actually came off like someone who talks as if he's in charge when reality is geep is his boss....tomsula loves logan, lets hope there isn't tension/ issues in the room between logan trying to undermine geep cuz logan is tomsula's boy

wow..you really conjured up something there

I thought we were about to have an intelligent discussion on the topic. Wrong!

Hmmm, is it too early to start accusing witchcraft; ferret out those in league with the Dark One.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by iLL49er:
why in all hell do u really like logan? please expand on this...mind boggling.

cuz he talks a good game? logan actually came off like someone who talks as if he's in charge when reality is geep is his boss....tomsula loves logan, lets hope there isn't tension/ issues in the room between logan trying to undermine geep cuz logan is tomsula's boy

Please refer back to the Logan thread.

what am i referring back to? can you succinctly state what excites you about him? some videos he has posted online where he's explaining basic coaching concepts?

Originally posted by iLL49er:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:
I always thought that Fangio was overrated. The lack of calling blitzes, and having our DB`s give the WR`s huge cushions on 3rd and short situations drove me crazy!

Agree.

However, he wasn't bad or even mediocre.

He is/was a very good D-Coach who came to an uber-talented team and his major shortcoming, IMO, he really didn't attack. We didn't attack the Seahawks and as a result they dictated to us.

IMO, as a head coach his offense wouldn't be attacking either. That spells disaster.

Glad he's in the wind and we're starting w/a clean slate.

wow, just wow. fangio was brilliant...his only mistake in my book was not blitzing joe flacco in the superbowl cuz the boook on flacco was always u gotta blitz him

he was average or below average until he got here with our talent. now we will see how good he is as he has major work ahead of him. of course he is already 0 for 1 when he went to bat for ray.

Originally posted by iLL49er:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by iLL49er:
u have confidence in GEEP? i'm very skeptical. tomsula wanted chudzinski from what i recall and settled on geep after trying for bob bicknell also

He also blocked Geep from outside interviews so for whatever that's worth ...

fair enough....Geep has to payoff

i read good things about him when harbaugh hired him..who knows

the former coach who was also a micromanager and who always had to have the spotlight on him never let geep talk so who knows how good he is or what his philosophy is

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by iLL49er:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
It's not just Geep but also Logan, Sparano, Curry, Henry, Wolford...as a unit. Geep was under Roman who was under Harbaugh, so he likely had little input as to how the offense was to be run. He is now under a D coach who will give him more latitude to be the main shaper of the offense. I really like Logan so am hopeful he will add a spark to the O thinking. There are many reasons to be optimistic.

why in all hell do u really like logan? please expand on this...mind boggling.

cuz he talks a good game? logan actually came off like someone who talks as if he's in charge when reality is geep is his boss....tomsula loves logan, lets hope there isn't tension/ issues in the room between logan trying to undermine geep cuz logan is tomsula's boy

wow..you really conjured up something there

you need to keep up,, conclusions do not jump to themselves around here .. that one little statement is a perfect example of people trying to generate and create drama. and for what purpose?