Eric Mangini Thread

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by iLL49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Geep was hired after Tomsula

ok and??? so tomsula didn't try to hire chudzinski and bob bicknell b4 he settled on geep?

we can pretend to re-write history, but geep was not tomsula's first choice and please don't try to argue that logan is tomsula's boy cuz he is

hope its not a recipe for disaster but it is based on how logan talked the first time he got some mic time...guy needs to know his role, stick to working w/ kap not talkikng broad offensive philosophy and yapping about how we are going to attack defenses

Exactly..he didn't need to hire Geep at all

huh??? so who would he have hired? the guys he wanted to hire he couldn't

what the hell are u saying

Originally posted by Homer:
Do any of you guys put our poor TE play last season on Mangini? Or was that Harbaughs fault too?

Nope, that was on Harbaugh too...he's responsible for all coaches and it's not like the FO wouldn't hire another offensive consultant to help out (like they did for Roman and his 'secret consultant'). But TBF, Mangini was pretty honest about his time as a TE coach and that it wasn't a great fit (it was more of a way to keep him on staff while getting him in the offensive meetings to grow defensively which he now talks about a lot).

Originally posted by iLL49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by iLL49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Geep was hired after Tomsula

ok and??? so tomsula didn't try to hire chudzinski and bob bicknell b4 he settled on geep?

we can pretend to re-write history, but geep was not tomsula's first choice and please don't try to argue that logan is tomsula's boy cuz he is

hope its not a recipe for disaster but it is based on how logan talked the first time he got some mic time...guy needs to know his role, stick to working w/ kap not talkikng broad offensive philosophy and yapping about how we are going to attack defenses

Exactly..he didn't need to hire Geep at all

huh??? so who would he have hired? the guys he wanted to hire he couldn't

what the hell are u saying

You brought up Logan...forget ?

Geep was hired after Tomsula and Logan. If Logan was Tomsula's boy, then there wouldn't be a need to hire Geep if Tomsula thought Logan can do it all

You're making something out of nothing with Logan/Geep/Tomsula

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
You brought up Logan...forget ?

Geep was hired after Tomsula and Logan. If Logan was Tomsula's boy, then there wouldn't be a need to hire Geep if Tomsula thought Logan can do it all

You're making something out of nothing with Logan/Geep/Tomsula

lol, not really and u just proved my point, logan was hired b4 geep....geep didn't get to hire his on qb coach

there is a dynamic there that will be interesting to see and hopefully isn't an issue

time will tell

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

We understand that the o line was in Flux. It'd be hard for any coach to make it to 8-8 the way our line played last year. The issues is, those 2 coaches did nothing to help mitigate the losses. We stuck to our game plan as if that was the only one we had.

Lines getting no push and can't open any holes? It's ok, we'll keep doing the same thing, we'll wear their defense down eventually...

Line can't pass protect worth a damn? It's ok, keep calling those 5 and 7 step drops, it's gotta work eventually...

And it's not like the line couldn't execute here and there. Often wed score enough to be up ahead or at least within striking distance. Then the 2nd half came. Opposing defense makes their adjustments. We make absolutely none. We end up losing or pulling a win out by the skin of our teeth.

Thats why coaches get the blame.

Great post, man. I was always under the impression they were trying to evolve our passing attack last year and the combination of our injuries and our coaches inexperience made it a rough transition. It seemed to be a lot of dink and dunk and most of our WR's just didn't get open quickly. Combine that with a massacred OL and our best receiving threats being shells of their former selves and I'm not sure it would have gone well for many coaches.

Just thought it was convenient that the same people who give Mangini a pass for dealing with injuries are so harsh on former staff, who dealt with it on much greater scale.

Originally posted by iLL49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
You brought up Logan...forget ?

Geep was hired after Tomsula and Logan. If Logan was Tomsula's boy, then there wouldn't be a need to hire Geep if Tomsula thought Logan can do it all

You're making something out of nothing with Logan/Geep/Tomsula

lol, not really and u just proved my point, logan was hired b4 geep....geep didn't get to hire his on qb coach

there is a dynamic there that will be interesting to see and hopefully isn't an issue

time will tell

yeah..you could be right

i'm not understanding the why hire Geep if he didn't fit...i think everything is cool

Originally posted by Homer:
Great post, man. I was always under the impression they were trying to evolve our passing attack last year and the combination of our injuries and our coaches inexperience made it a rough transition. It seemed to be a lot of dink and dunk and most of our WR's just didn't get open quickly. Combine that with a massacred OL and our best receiving threats being shells of their former selves and I'm not sure it would have gone well for many coaches.

Just thought it was convenient that the same people who give Mangini a pass for dealing with injuries are so harsh on former staff, who dealt with it on much greater scale.

We wished it was a lot of "dink and dunk" coupled with the explosion plays. We'd have 3 more Championships to our name right now!

Originally posted by iLL49er:
lol, not really and u just proved my point, logan was hired b4 geep....geep didn't get to hire his on qb coach

there is a dynamic there that will be interesting to see and hopefully isn't an issue

time will tell

This is tomsulas staff. Same as any other HC. The HC hires his staff not the OC

Originally posted by Homer:
Our offensive line was in shambles last year, yet the overwhelming theme I sense on this board is Harbaugh and Roman were the only ones holding us down. That's why I brought up Mangini and the TE's. Do I think Mangini was what made our TE play dip? Of course not. Davis was hurt and Vance just hasn't lived up to his draft choice. Carrier gave us some glimmers of hope.

And no need to get angry, DTG. Just talking about the 9ers on a 9er forum. Lots of anger around here.

Not angry but to blame coaches for injuries, unless the coach is Frank Kush, is a non-starter with me. I don't blame Harbaugh for the injuries but for the lack of offensive production through two QBs, numerous WRs, an all-pro RB, etc. He ran a power run game that goes back to Bo Schembechler...and should have stayed there!

I have no idea if Mangini will be a great DC but he is experienced at that position and he did well under Belichick...which could mean something...or not.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by iLL49er:
lol, not really and u just proved my point, logan was hired b4 geep....geep didn't get to hire his on qb coach

there is a dynamic there that will be interesting to see and hopefully isn't an issue

time will tell

This is tomsulas staff. Same as any other HC. The HC hires his staff not the OC

no doubt but the way tomsula talks about logan and how it sure seemed like geep was the last choice cuz he couldn't get anyone else could create an interesting dynamic that hopefully tomsula can control

my sense from the way logan talked when he finally got in front of the mic was not that of a just a qb coach, he was talking more broadly how they will run the offense etc when the questions were specifically about how he plans to work w/ kap

geep seems collaborative which would make sense since that's how apparently harbs staff was which is fine but come gameday i really hope its one guy calling the shots and not the nonsense harbaugh had running w/ the play clock issues

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Not angry but to blame coaches for injuries, unless the coach is Frank Kush, is a non-starter with me. I don't blame Harbaugh for the injuries but for the lack of offensive production through two QBs, numerous WRs, an all-pro RB, etc. He ran a power run game that goes back to Bo Schembechler...and should have stayed there!

I have no idea if Mangini will be a great DC but he is experienced at that position and he did well under Belichick...which could mean something...or not.

I never blamed him for injuries, man! Just posed a question. Obviously injuries hurt our TE's. IMO they hurt our whole team and a lot of people here overlook that and just blame whoever isn't with the franchise anymore.

I think Mangini will be fine as our DC. I'm a firm believer in our GM, talent, and Jim Tomsula. If Mangini can't perform he will be shown the door quickly.

Originally posted by iLL49er:
no doubt but the way tomsula talks about logan and how it sure seemed like geep was the last choice cuz he couldn't get anyone else could create an interesting dynamic that hopefully tomsula can control

my sense from the way logan talked when he finally got in front of the mic was not that of a just a qb coach, he was talking more broadly how they will run the offense etc when the questions were specifically about how he plans to work w/ kap

geep seems collaborative which would make sense since that's how apparently harbs staff was which is fine but come gameday i really hope its one guy calling the shots and not the nonsense harbaugh had running w/ the play clock issues

I agree. Logan can input during the week but come gameday we better ride the Geep!

Originally posted by iLL49er:
no doubt but the way tomsula talks about logan and how it sure seemed like geep was the last choice cuz he couldn't get anyone else could create an interesting dynamic that hopefully tomsula can control

my sense from the way logan talked when he finally got in front of the mic was not that of a just a qb coach, he was talking more broadly how they will run the offense etc when the questions were specifically about how he plans to work w/ kap

geep seems collaborative which would make sense since that's how apparently harbs staff was which is fine but come gameday i really hope its one guy calling the shots and not the nonsense harbaugh had running w/ the play clock issues

Logan mentioned several times that he had been working with Chryst and they had a good rapport. I see Logan as a safety net Tomsula trusts and Chryst as the experienced OC how can manage the offense effectively. Logan has been a successful coach at various levels and has an infectious personality. Chryst has a very low key personality. The two should work well together. Chryst adds knowledge of the team, Logan adds experience adding vertical elements to the WCO, which is ideal for T Smith, V Davis and perhaps Ellington.

I see Logan as the detail, no stone unturned type of guy. Chryst as the, keep it simple but effective type. Like he's not going to over think s**t, calling a game. That's just my guess from what I've seen of their interviews.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by iLL49er:
no doubt but the way tomsula talks about logan and how it sure seemed like geep was the last choice cuz he couldn't get anyone else could create an interesting dynamic that hopefully tomsula can control

my sense from the way logan talked when he finally got in front of the mic was not that of a just a qb coach, he was talking more broadly how they will run the offense etc when the questions were specifically about how he plans to work w/ kap

geep seems collaborative which would make sense since that's how apparently harbs staff was which is fine but come gameday i really hope its one guy calling the shots and not the nonsense harbaugh had running w/ the play clock issues

I agree. Logan can input during the week but come gameday we better ride the Geep!

I'm sure this is exactly how it will end up being...that said, if Geep/Logan have a good relationship, you can expect input into Geep from CK, Gabbert, Logan, Tomsula, Henry, Rathman, Foerster/Wolford, etc. If someone is "seeing something" I have little doubt they have a method for communicating that to Geep in-game and esp. at half-time. But yes, in the end, Geep will be dictating the flow and play calling. And CK will probably be given a lot of freedom as well.